Future farmers

beaker

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The biggest problem facing farmers and loggers(who are really just long term farmers) is politicians with their hands out.
For the right price you can turn prime farm land into a subdivision, yet some of us that have ALR land that an agrologist said doesn't even grow decent rocks can not subdivide because of a few bureaucraps with their own agenda that we can't afford to buy off.


Yeah if you have enough cash backing you can usually manage to remove the land but that process just drives up the price of other land. I think the A L reserve has just gone the way of other good intentions.
 

petros

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For the Period July 17 to 23, 2012

Saskatchewan livestock producers continue to make good haying progress and now have 79 per cent of the hay crop cut. Sixty-one per cent of the hay crop has been baled or put into silage, according to Saskatchewan Agriculture's weekly Crop Report. Eighty-four per cent of the provincial hay crop is rated as good to excellent in quality.

Haying progress varies across the province. Southwestern Saskatchewan has 89 per cent of the hay cut; southeastern Saskatchewan has 87 per cent cut; the west-central region has 67 per cent cut; the east-central region has 75 per cent cut; the northwest has 62 per cent cut; and the northeast has 81 per cent cut.

Thunderstorms rolled through some areas of the province, bringing varying amounts of precipitation. Crops are advancing quickly with the warm and dry weather and the majority of them are in good condition. Disease, insects, wind and hail are causing the majority of crop damage.

Cropland top soil moisture is rated as 13 per cent surplus, 72 per cent adequate, 14 per cent short and one per cent very short. Hay land and pasture topsoil moisture is rated as six per cent surplus, 73 per cent adequate, 20 per cent short and 1 percent very short.

Farmers are busy haying, controlling diseases and insects and getting ready for harvest.
 

taxslave

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:) Ain't it the truth... but as damngrumpy pointed out our best farmland is getting very very expensive, and mostly because of non-agricultural uses. There is land around that could be producing that isn't, but with climate change we will be losing more crops from our southern land. Most of the northern land is marginal on account of stoniness, excess water, or frost risk.

Guess you never been out of the city. There is excellent farmland all over Canada. Much of it is just too cold to grow well. Global warming could help cure this problem.
 

Ron in Regina

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The Rye crops I've seen in the S.E. corner of Sk are looking great with very
little green in them already, & look like they'll be ready to harvest within the
week....& It's still just the end of July.
 

petros

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The Rye crops I've seen in the S.E. corner of Sk are looking great with very
little green in them already, & look like they'll be ready to harvest within the
week....& It's still just the end of July.
Rye, barely, oats etc are 6-7 week crops from germination to harvest.

Guess you never been out of the city. There is excellent farmland all over Canada. Much of it is just too cold to grow well. Global warming could help cure this problem.
It's not too cold. There are just too many damn trees in the way.
 

beaker

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Guess you never been out of the city. There is excellent farmland all over Canada. Much of it is just too cold to grow well. Global warming could help cure this problem.


:) I lived in a city once for about a year and a half, and no, there is not excellent farmland all over this country. Have a look at this.

canadian farmland map - Bing Images

And it isn't just the cold, as I mentioned, soil readiness for agriculture is about a millenium away.
 

Nuggler

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Hey, you'll soon be a province!!!

Get a few more immigrants from Ontario, and Sk. folks will be able to read and write..................and play golf.

Lifting the peasants out of peasantry as it were.

:canada: :laughing6:

(i hates golf)
 

JLM

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A few weeks back I was in Victoria and talked to a couple of people in a community garden. Their biggest problem is finding tenure. They are on city land and now on the third plot as the city somehow keeps finding different uses for the lots.
Then there is a couple in Lantzville that got in trouble with the bureaucraps for selling food from their garden inside the city limits because it isn't zoned for agriculture.

Somebody is going to have to put an end to that crap before someone gets shot? Time people started minding their own bloody business. Safeway sells produce within the city limits. :smile:
 

beaker

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Somebody is going to have to put an end to that crap before someone gets shot? Time people started minding their own bloody business. Safeway sells produce within the city limits. :smile:


But this is all part of the food security issue. If the Safeways of the world don't have the security of a virtual monopoly on the sale of produce to us how will they be able to guarantee their profits?

But it also strikes to the heart of the problem with food safety. With a different major food scare coming down the pipes every few months governments are trying to limit the number of disease access points. Closing down small abattoirs, enforcing health standards on processors, farms, and distributors. We are still stuck in some frame of bigger is better and the problem there is that when things do screw up in a BIG operation the impacts are also BIG.

Farm operations, at least those near their markets, used to have to watch themselves or they would get a bad name. Now for the most part farms aren't in direct contact with customers and both sides lose.
 

L Gilbert

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Quite happy farming here. We grow some, we trade others in the neighborhood for most of the rest. Wifey's off right now at the local farmers' market snooping around for goodies.
Big Ag can stuff its frankenfoods.

ALR in some ways was a good idea, but it eroded when people wanted relatively flat land where cities are. Cities popped up on some of the best land for growing there is.
Want an example? Look at the Kelowna area (about 21,500 hectares), 2/3 to 3/4 of which was used for farming 50 years ago. Between 1973 and 2001, a third of it disappeared to urban, suburban development. Slightly less than 100 farms disappeared between 2001 and 2006.
It's not quite as noticeable around here, but we are losing land that's good for growing at a significant rate, too.
 

skookumchuck

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The biggest problem facing farmers and loggers(who are really just long term farmers) is politicians with their hands out.
For the right price you can turn prime farm land into a subdivision, yet some of us that have ALR land that an agrologist said doesn't even grow decent rocks can not subdivide because of a few bureaucraps with their own agenda that we can't afford to buy off.

The NDP created the mess that is the ALR. Nah that can't be right, they are the champions of Joe average. Unless of course you can afford to buy them off.
My land, 2.5 acres, is also ALR and i could grow Blueberries commercially if i leveled, irrigated it, and removed the glacial till. Perhaps even Corn if i brought in thousands of yards of soil. No prob, several hundred thou would do the trick. What return? We don't need no steenking return.......just give it to the food bank.

15 or so years ago Mac Blo schooled the idiots and planted 37 acres of Black poplar next door with a 11-12 year harvest plan, spent several hundred thou to do it and proved they could not make money doing that. It was subsequently sold as another rock farm, same as numerous other plots in the mid island area.
 

B00Mer

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Just sitting here, thinking in my text.. what if future farmers could utilize the same space, but get double the harvest??

Maybe with bio-genetics we will be able to grow bigger grains of corn, bigger tomatoes.. just bigger stock to feed the masses.. just say'in??
 

taxslave

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Rye, barely, oats etc are 6-7 week crops from germination to harvest.


It's not too cold. There are just too many damn trees in the way.

I can fix that but I want to replant what I harvest unlike the concrete cave dwellers.

:) I lived in a city once for about a year and a half, and no, there is not excellent farmland all over this country. Have a look at this.

canadian farmland map - Bing Images

And it isn't just the cold, as I mentioned, soil readiness for agriculture is about a millenium away.

Yer map shows areas that I know to be prime farm land as not assessed. Which the rest of it in doubt.

The ALR was a good intention in BC but like most things controlled by a political agenda instead of reality it went badly wrong. We owned some rock bluff in Sayward that was in the ALR and no way would the bureaucraps let it out. Yet prime farmland in the Frazer Valley and around Kelowna grows McMansions like they are a cash crop. Go figure.
 

Liberalman

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Like the industrial revolution factory and vertical farms is the solution to growing the maximum yield to a minimal work force
 

taxslave

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Just sitting here, thinking in my text.. what if future farmers could utilize the same space, but get double the harvest??

Maybe with bio-genetics we will be able to grow bigger grains of corn, bigger tomatoes.. just bigger stock to feed the masses.. just say'in??

Bigger Franken foods? NO thanks. We go out of our way to find heritage organic food.

The NDP created the mess that is the ALR. Nah that can't be right, they are the champions of Joe average. Unless of course you can afford to buy them off.
My land, 2.5 acres, is also ALR and i could grow Blueberries commercially if i leveled, irrigated it, and removed the glacial till. Perhaps even Corn if i brought in thousands of yards of soil. No prob, several hundred thou would do the trick. What return? We don't need no steenking return.......just give it to the food bank.

15 or so years ago Mac Blo schooled the idiots and planted 37 acres of Black poplar next door with a 11-12 year harvest plan, spent several hundred thou to do it and proved they could not make money doing that. It was subsequently sold as another rock farm, same as numerous other plots in the mid island area.

I cleaned up several of those sites. We chipped some and one we pulled up by the roots and made piss poor hog fuel out of it I was also around when they were being planted. Many of us loggers said it was a dumb idea but the guy with RPF behind his name thought he knew better. Catalyst inherited the liabilities with the pulp mills somehow. They didn't want the fiber cause it is NFG and somehow they managed to cash out on some properties instead of clearing them. Proves that you just can't trust those bin to school types.
 

Mowich

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Just sitting here, thinking in my text.. what if future farmers could utilize the same space, but get double the harvest??

Maybe with bio-genetics we will be able to grow bigger grains of corn, bigger tomatoes.. just bigger stock to feed the masses.. just say'in??

Oh just what we need.............another Monsanto - NOT!