Further Explanations for Ancient Flood Myth

[Cliffy]

MHz- You have the annoying habit of quoting chapter and verse from the Bible, but you don't list the author. When I am trying to gain knowledge from a book, I want to know who wrote it, what his background is in his area of expertise, a list of successful endeavours and most important a list of references. One of your sources is "Re.............", what the f*** is "Re"? Is it Revelations? Who wrote the book of Revelations, what school of learning did he/she attend, did he/she graduate? Either you lack all credibility or you are very gullable. :smile:

Re: does indeed refer to the book of revelations. The poor bugger who wrote it was obviously under the influence of Ergot, a mold that grows on rye and can produce nightmarish hallucinations. Taking that book of nightmares as the literal work of god could only mean that god is Satan.

 

[JLM]

I'm just a tad confused. Everyone that has read or studied the Bible at all knows what Re.6:8 would be referencing. Since you stated that the Holy Bible is no different than "Alice in Wonderland" I had assumed that you had read at least both to be able to make that comparison. Since you DON'T know what Re.6:8 is referencing I am starting to believe that you really have no knowledge of the Holy Bible and, in reality, can not form any type of intelligent comparison of it against any other literary works.

I've read parts of it but I'm not a scholar. I've read enough however to note the lack of references and footnotes.

God.


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And what was his Alma Mater?

 

[gerryh]

I've read parts of it but I'm not a scholar. I've read enough however to note the lack of references and footnotes.

You've read "parts"......... what "parts" exactly? Have you also only read "parts" of Alice in Wonderland?

 

[MHz]

I'm just a tad confused.... How can anyone who claims to have any smarts at all take a collection of hand-me-down, many-times-translated-and-reworded folklore as truth.

My reason was stated above, at the time Revelation was written the writer was given the ratio of land to water that covers the earth. Nobody had that info that far back. Sort of ties into this sort of 'info'.

Ezekiel's City: Calculating the Earth's Circumference

 

[JLM]

You've read "parts"......... what "parts" exactly? Have you also only read "parts" of Alice in Wonderland?

Parts of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Daniel, Job, Psalms, Matthew, Mark, Luke John and various other books in part. My experience with "Alice in Wonderland" was at a tender age, so my knowledge there is a little vague. Something about "shoes and ships and sealing wax and cabbages and Kings". :smile:

 

[MHz]

Parts of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Daniel, Job, Psalms, Matthew, Mark, Luke John and various other books in part. My experience with "Alice in Wonderland" was at a tender age, so my knowledge there is a little vague. Something about "shoes and ships and sealing wax and cabbages and Kings". :smile:

Were her slippers ruby or silver in the earliest version?

For the Bible issues each incident would have to be explored individually.

 

[gerryh]

Parts of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Daniel, Job, Psalms, Matthew, Mark, Luke John and various other books in part. My experience with "Alice in Wonderland" was at a tender age, so my knowledge there is a little vague. Something about "shoes and ships and sealing wax and cabbages and Kings". :smile:

In other words, you really don't have a working knowledge of either book yet you declared a similarity between the two. Are you in the habit of shooting off your mouth about things that you don't really have any knowledge about?

 

[Dexter Sinister]

My reason was stated above, at the time Revelation was written the writer was given the ratio of land to water that covers the earth. Nobody had that info that far back.

And he got it wrong, it's not a fourth part, it's 29%.

 

[JLM]

In other words, you really don't have a working knowledge of either book yet you declared a similarity between the two. Are you in the habit of shooting off your mouth about things that you don't really have any knowledge about?

Who p*ssed in your corn flakes? There are similarities, Jonah spent 3 days and nights inside a whale and Alice spent time down a rabbit hole, they were both dark. I'm not sure which is the most believeable. Tell, me Gerry, how much knowledge does one need to make a comparison. Then there was Little Red Ridinghood on her way to Grandma's house and Paul he was on his way to Damascus. Can you not disagree without have to bad mouth your opponent? :smile:

 

[petros]

If rain fell and it stayed in place so water covered all of the land and tides move with the moon would it have flowed a lot further inland than would be 'normal'. Some method has to be found that gets the Ark high above sea-level if it is to ground out at a high elevation. A tide coming across the MED would be greater if it gained power from the Atlantic, today it is choked off. A strong wind on the side of the Ark would also help travel 'uphill'.

That only requires manipulating a very few elements in nature. Things that would seem to be out of our grasp for ever.

Rivers of the world

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[gerryh]

Who p*ssed in your corn flakes? There are similarities, Jonah spent 3 days and nights inside a whale and Alice spent time down a rabbit hole, they were both dark. I'm not sure which is the most believeable. Tell, me Gerry, how much knowledge does one need to make a comparison. Then there was Little Red Ridinghood on her way to Grandma's house and Paul he was on his way to Damascus. Can you not disagree without have to bad mouth your opponent? :smile:

Can't answer directly I see. I'll take it as a yes, you are in the habit of shooting off your mouth without appropriate knowledge.

 

[MHz]

And he got it wrong, it's not a fourth part, it's 29%.

Not when the measurement is in fourths.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Sure, and 1 Kings 7 says the value of pi is 3. Even in those days people would have understood a fraction like 3 parts in 10 for the land/water ratio of the earth's surface. Nice of the deity to provide a measurement that's wrong by 16 percent. He could have used thirds and been even more inaccurate.

 

[MHz]

Sure, and 1 Kings 7 says the value of pi is 3. Even in those days people would have understood a fraction like 3 parts in 10 for the land/water ratio of the earth's surface. Nice of the deity to provide a measurement that's wrong by 16 percent. He could have used thirds and been even more inaccurate.

Are you measuring the land mass from high tide or low tide? Are you including land that is covered by fresh water and/or ice? The verse the 1/4 comes from is for the inhabitable parts of the earth.
It appears the rest of the description was important enough to round the numbers off. You probably also dispute He gave us the circumference of the earth if you used the right formula.

Re:8:13:
And I beheld,
and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven,
saying with a loud voice,
Woe,
woe,
woe,
to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels,
which are yet to sound!

Proverb:8:31:
Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth;
and my delights were with the sons of men.
The Basic Idea

Assuming that all thirteen strips of land are the same width, or rather, assuming that Ezekiel's small-scale representation was intended to represent thirteen strips of land of the same width, we have a map that from top to bottom is:

13 x 25,000 cubits = 325,000 cubits.​

Now we are ready for our calculations.
Perhaps the simplest way to put it is this: If we enlarge Ezekiel's map till Ezekiel's city is the size of Revelation's New Jerusalem, then Ezekiel's map encircles the globe.
The proportion of Ezekiel's city to Revelation's New Jerusalem is the same as that of Ezekiel's map to the earth's circumference:

Ezekiel's Map / Ezekiel's City * Revelation's City = Earth's Circumference
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Calculations a Bit Off

Let's first use the furlong that most references tend to use, the English furlong of 660 feet. Since the New Jerusalem is 3,000 furlongs to a side,

660 ft. x 3,000 furlongs / (5,280 feet / mi.) = 375 mi. (603.49 km)​

Now we plug in the 4,500-cubit length of Ezekiel's city and the theoretical 325,000-cubit length of Ezekiel's map:

325,000 cu. / 4,500 cu. * 375 mi. = 27,083 mi. (43,585 km)​

This amounts to an error of just under +9%, which is close enough to be intriguing.
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Calculations Right On

Since the apostle John didn't live in England, he never heard of the English furlong. Instead, he used the Roman furlong. The author has found three different measurements for the Roman furlong: 606.25 feet, 606.5 feet, and 606.84 feet.​

Using a furlong of 606.25 feet:​

606.25 ft. x 3,000 furlongs / (5,280 feet / mi.) = 344.46 mi. (554.34 km)​

325,000 / 4,500 * 344.46 mi. = 24,878 mi. (40,036 km)​

This result is .071% more than the polar circumference and .098% less than the equatorial circumference.​

Using a furlong of 606.5 feet:​

606.5 ft. x 3,000 furlongs / (5,280 feet / mi.) = 344.6 mi. (554.56 km)​

325,000 / 4,500 * 344.6 mi. = 24,888 mi. (40,052 km)​

This result is .112% more than the polar circumference and .057% less than the equatorial circumference.​

Using a furlong of 606.84 feet:​

606.84 ft. x 3,000 furlongs / (5,280 feet / mi.) = 344.80 mi. (554.89)​

325,000 / 4,500 * 344.80 mi. = 24,902 mi. (40,075 km)​

This result is .170% more than the polar circumference and .0001% more than the equatorial circumference.
These extremely small margins of error make the subject more than just intriguing.

The Size of the Temple

We can use the same ratios to calculate the size of the Holy Place and Most Holy Place. Ezekiel's Holy Place was 20 by 40 cubits, and his Most Holy Place was 20 by 20 cubits (Ezek. 41:2, 4).
Since exact precision isn't all that important, we'll just use the furlong of 606.5 ft. We must make two calculations, one for 20 cubits and the other for 40 cubits:

20 / 4,500 * 344.6 mi. = 1.53 mi.​

40 / 4,500 * 344.6 mi. = 3.06 mi.​

It is quite possible, therefore, that the heavenly temple which will be outside the New Jerusalem will have a Holy Place about 3 by 1.5 miles, and a Most Holy Place about 1.5 miles square. No wonder the structure can accommodate millions of worshippers.


Ezekiel's City: Calculating the Earth's Circumference
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[lone wolf]

If Ezekiel had it down and the powers that be accepted that the Earth had a circumference in Biblical times, why did Christopher Columbus have to get around the Flat Earth view among authorities in 1492?

 

[JLM]

If Ezekiel had it down and the powers that be accepted that the Earth had a circumference in Biblical times, why did Christopher Columbus have to get around the Flat Earth view among authorities in 1492?

In Chris' time anyone who wasn't "flat earth" got burned at the stake or worse.

 

[MHz]

If Ezekiel had it down and the powers that be accepted that the Earth had a circumference in Biblical times, why did Christopher Columbus have to get around the Flat Earth view among authorities in 1492?

Ezekiel was only given part of the information, Revelation holds the key to the math. I thought the link was quite specific about that part.

 

[Cliffy]

Ezekiel was only given part of the information, Revelation holds the key to the math. I thought the link was quite specific about that part.

That doesn't explain why all the Christians if 1492 believed the world was flat.

You do realize, Mhz, that it was the Catholic Church that authored the Bible under the direction of Constantine. And that Revelations was written by someone on a really bad acid trip.

 

[JLM]

That doesn't explain why all the Christians if 1492 believed the world was flat.

You do realize, Mhz, that it was the Catholic Church that authored the Bible under the direction of Constantine. And that Revelations was written by someone on a really bad acid trip.

Hold on Cliff, I think the only acid they had in those days was citric acid.

 

[Cliffy]

Hold on Cliff, I think the only acid they had in those days was citric acid.

LSD is a derivative of ergot, a rye mold that was prevalent at the time.