Further Explanations for Ancient Flood Myth

[MHz]

LSD is a derivative of ergot, a rye mold that was prevalent at the time.

Since the Baghdad battery was a little small to be powering cranes to build the pyramids perhaps they were making CS. Has anybody ever found Babel?
I doubt fallen angels were ignorant of all the properties of all the plants (and metals, and soils) Anybody ever do the math to find out if 200M horsemen were drained of all their blood if it could create a river 200 miles long and 4 1/2 ft deep and "X" ft wide. (4 fallen angels BTW)

The site below (and other sites) would be the handi-work of the children of the fallen ones and they would be the construction crew. The humans would be making lunch, or being lunch. Consume 20 humans go move a 300 block. However that would work in the time between the flood and the exit from the garden still leaves as much as 10,000 years (all the way to 40,000BC in reality) that predate the angels taking human females for wives. My way of dealing with that still has Eve being 'born' just prior to the exit. My version also promotes the garden as being the last place in Eden (whole planet) that saw plants and other forms of life. Adam saw how life began (as in Ge:2) but that could leave from 40,000BC - 4,000BC where Adam could have been shown different points in the world that Angels (before the fall) were making 'summer homes' for Adam's children. In stone so they would last until the children were in enough numbers to warrant the need for more space. Once the structure was built is was to remain uninhabited until the right time. Instead a fall happened and fallen angels and their closest children could have taken over the structures until the flood. During the flood 10,000 Holy Angels came and put the ones the water didn't take and they put them deep under rock.

The World's First Temple

I would almost bet on more sites showing up if access is opened up. The 10,000 year old civilizations are only going to affect the 'Western version of History', like we need the bad publicity. There go the credit cards, what would this be, 'strike 13'?

That doesn't explain why all the Christians if 1492 believed the world was flat.

You do realize, Mhz, that it was the Catholic Church that authored the Bible under the direction of Constantine. And that Revelations was written by someone on a really bad acid trip.

Find a copy of the KJV1611 Preface and read up on how involved they were. By that time they were using only Latin translations, Are you claiming the RCC has rewritten the OT also? Should I report you to them for 'further training', Comrade?

 

[Bar Sinister]

If Ezekiel had it down and the powers that be accepted that the Earth had a circumference in Biblical times, why did Christopher Columbus have to get around the Flat Earth view among authorities in 1492?

Actually there was very little argument about the spherical shape of the Earth among the educated class in 1492. Columbus' biggest problem was financing. Ocean voyages were high risk enterprises in 1492 with casualty rates often exceeding 90%. Columbus had a good idea, but he had to convince the Queen of Castile that it would work and she would not just be financing another nautical disaster. Part of his success was due to the fact that Columbus had no real idea how big the world was . He thought China was only about 5000 km away across the Atlantic. If the queen had known he was off by about 15000 km she might have changed her mind.

 

[ironsides]

Since the Baghdad battery was a little small to be powering cranes to build the pyramids perhaps they were making CS. Has anybody ever found Babel?
I doubt fallen angels were ignorant of all the properties of all the plants (and metals, and soils) Anybody ever do the math to find out if 200M horsemen were drained of all their blood if it could create a river 200 miles long and 4 1/2 ft deep and "X" ft wide. (4 fallen angels BTW)

The site below (and other sites) would be the handi-work of the children of the fallen ones and they would be the construction crew. The humans would be making lunch, or being lunch. Consume 20 humans go move a 300 block. However that would work in the time between the flood and the exit from the garden still leaves as much as 10,000 years (all the way to 40,000BC in reality) that predate the angels taking human females for wives. My way of dealing with that still has Eve being 'born' just prior to the exit. My version also promotes the garden as being the last place in Eden (whole planet) that saw plants and other forms of life. Adam saw how life began (as in Ge:2) but that could leave from 40,000BC - 4,000BC where Adam could have been shown different points in the world that Angels (before the fall) were making 'summer homes' for Adam's children. In stone so they would last until the children were in enough numbers to warrant the need for more space. Once the structure was built is was to remain uninhabited until the right time. Instead a fall happened and fallen angels and their closest children could have taken over the structures until the flood. During the flood 10,000 Holy Angels came and put the ones the water didn't take and they put them deep under rock.

The World's First Temple

I would almost bet on more sites showing up if access is opened up. The 10,000 year old civilizations are only going to affect the 'Western version of History', like we need the bad publicity. There go the credit cards, what would this be, 'strike 13'?



Find a copy of the KJV1611 Preface and read up on how involved they were. By that time they were using only Latin translations, Are you claiming the RCC has rewritten the OT also? Should I report you to them for 'further training', Comrade?

The craftsmanship was amazing, and the site was in one of the harshest places in the world even back 10,000 + years ago. No tools were found around there, what God did they worship and how.

 

[Cliffy]

Find a copy of the KJV1611 Preface and read up on how involved they were. By that time they were using only Latin translations, Are you claiming the RCC has rewritten the OT also? Should I report you to them for 'further training', Comrade?

The first texts should have been written inn Aramaic but have either been lost or never existed. The authors were supposedly Jews. The original texts of the new testament were written in Greek and then translated into Latin by the church in Rome. The use of Latin to translate the KJV means they were twice removed from the original. Not very accurate but they did take poetic license to create what some have referred to a great piece of English literature. I had difficulty following Old English but I did manage to read it several times.

The OT was written during the time of captivity in Babylon and is not the true history of the Jews, but a hodge podge of stories borrowed from Sumerian, Babylonian and Assyrian myths and legends. The story of Jesus has been borrowed from a number of ancient god myths as has been shown time and time again. The bible is the work of men, not the work of any god.

 

[JLM]

Actually there was very little argument about the spherical shape of the Earth among the educated class in 1492. Columbus' biggest problem was financing. Ocean voyages were high risk enterprises in 1492 with casualty rates often exceeding 90%. Columbus had a good idea, but he had to convince the Queen of Castile that it would work and she would not just be financing another nautical disaster. Part of his success was due to the fact that Columbus had no real idea how big the world was . He thought China was only about 5000 km away across the Atlantic. If the queen had known he was off by about 15000 km she might have changed her mind.

Yeah, those early Egyptians had the circumferance of the earth figured out within about 20'. But it could be hazardous to life and limb to say it.

 

[MHz]

The first texts should have been written inn Aramaic but have either been lost or never existed. The authors were supposedly Jews. The original texts of the new testament were written in Greek and then translated into Latin by the church in Rome. The use of Latin to translate the KJV means they were twice removed from the original. Not very accurate but they did take poetic license to create what some have referred to a great piece of English literature. I had difficulty following Old English but I did manage to read it several times.

The OT was written during the time of captivity in Babylon and is not the true history of the Jews, but a hodge podge of stories borrowed from Sumerian, Babylonian and Assyrian myths and legends. The story of Jesus has been borrowed from a number of ancient god myths as has been shown time and time again. The bible is the work of men, not the work of any god.

The KJV1611 is a translation of the original Greek and of the original Hebrew. It was the number of names I found difficult to follow. This part was pretty clear on the first read.

(in part)
"O let thy Scriptures be my pure delight, let me not be deceived in them, neither let me deceive by them." [S. Aug. lib. II. Confess. cap. 2.] In this confidence, and with this devotion did they assemble together; not too many, lest one should trouble another; and yet many, lest many things haply might escape them. If you ask what they had before them, truly it was the Hebrew text of the Old Testament, the Greek of the New. These are the two golden pipes, or rather conduits, where-through the olive branches empty themselves into the gold. Saint Augustine calleth them precedent, or original tongues; [S. August. 3. de doctr. c. 3. etc.] Saint Jerome, fountains. [S. Jerome. ad Suniam et Fretel.] The same Saint Jerome affirmeth, [S. Jerome. ad Lucinium, Dist. 9 ut veterum.] and Gratian hath not spared to put it into his Decree, That "as the credit of the old Books" (he meaneth of the Old Testament) "is to be tried by the Hebrew Volumes, so of the New by the Greek tongue," he meaneth by the original Greek. If truth be tried by these tongues, then whence should a Translation be made, but out of them? These tongues therefore, the Scriptures we say in those tongues, we set before us to translate, being the tongues wherein God was pleased to speak to his Church by the Prophets and Apostles. Neither did we run over the work with that posting haste that the Septuagint did, if that be true which is reported of them, that they finished it in 72 days; [Joseph. Antiq. lib. 12.]


If the OT went from an oral book to a written one during the same period of time that Daniel was there why wouldn't God have him and his friends write the OT out and correct any tiny mistakes that may have been made over the many centuries. That way if He had inserted any 'fine print' it was restored so as mysterious as those prophecies are it can be 'assumed' they are accurate to what first came out.

How many of those older legends could have came from a culture that allows for 'beings' to be much more advanced than anything mankind has created. In some of those stories the 'Gods' were already gone rather than being 'interactive'. Horus never came back from the grave, etc., neither have the fallen angels. 1 has the 'strength' of 50 M horsemen, killing men of playing with rocks might not the very different. The angels would not need food or rest so their deeds could be quite grand by our standards even without having an accurate time-frame on how long (or little) construction actually took. Only 5 are allowed to be active in the last few years and they can do some damage. The vast majority don't reappear until it is time for them to be sent to their final place. I have only one clue as to how many were active prior to the flood and that is God sent 10,000 Holy Angels down to put then in the Pit. That should have been accomplished in the 40 days of in the 150 days that followed, either way it was over by the time the windows on the Ark were open.

 

[Cliffy]

Because the gods and angels of the OT were aliens from another planet, not some heavenly, ethereal place in the clouds. Was Daniel king when the Israelites were captive in Babylon? And just because some old farts back in the 16 hundreds say they spent the time to translate these ancient writings using an archaic form of poetic Old English, there is no reason to believe that they knew what they were doing or that their translations are accurate.

You have the most unique interpretations of those writings I have ever come across, and although they seem really clear to you, it does not seem to be shared by anybody else. What makes you an authority to be re-interpreting a bunch of ancient text of questionable origin? The only thing you have is a blind faith that is not provable, is diametrically opposed to most other bible scholars and is based solely on your belief in their authenticity. Just because a bunch of old farts re translated the bible because they wanted to get away from the oppressive tyranny of the catholic church does not make their work any more valid than the catholic one, nor does it make this collection of ancient texts any more divinely inspired.

 

[petros]

We live on a water planet. It's gonna get wet from time to time on land. That is a given.

 

[darkbeaver]

Where does water come from daddy? A question every parent is asked at least 12 times while thier little vidiots are still sharpening thier teeth on the furniture.

 

[ironsides]

The first texts should have been written inn Aramaic but have either been lost or never existed. The authors were supposedly Jews. The original texts of the new testament were written in Greek and then translated into Latin by the church in Rome. The use of Latin to translate the KJV means they were twice removed from the original. Not very accurate but they did take poetic license to create what some have referred to a great piece of English literature. I had difficulty following Old English but I did manage to read it several times.

The OT was written during the time of captivity in Babylon and is not the true history of the Jews, but a hodge podge of stories borrowed from Sumerian, Babylonian and Assyrian myths and legends. The story of Jesus has been borrowed from a number of ancient god myths as has been shown time and time again. The bible is the work of men, not the work of any god.

Some of the first texts were written in Hebrew (possibly just a dialect of the Aramaic language), but the Aramaic language was used to write major portions of the books of Daniel and Ezra. As you said they became distorted when the Greeks and Europeans started creating their own versions. Aramaic was the language spoken by Jesus however.

 

[MHz]

Because the gods and angels of the OT were aliens from another planet, not some heavenly, ethereal place in the clouds. Was Daniel king when the Israelites were captive in Babylon? And just because some old farts back in the 16 hundreds say they spent the time to translate these ancient writings using an archaic form of poetic Old English, there is no reason to believe that they knew what they were doing or that their translations are accurate.

Daniel was a Governor over a Province if that means anything. The point I was getting is there were 4 there that were protected in the furnace or in the lion's den. What did they do with the rest of the 70 years that was the exile? Daniels own book says he didn't understand everything he wrote.
They left a pretty detailed pre-face to be just some old farts with nothing better to do. Some might even say they enjoyed those 72 days.

You have the most unique interpretations of those writings I have ever come across, and although they seem really clear to you, it does not seem to be shared by anybody else. What makes you an authority to be re-interpreting a bunch of ancient text of questionable origin? The only thing you have is a blind faith that is not provable, is diametrically opposed to most other bible scholars and is based solely on your belief in their authenticity. Just because a bunch of old farts re translated the bible because they wanted to get away from the oppressive tyranny of the catholic church does not make their work any more valid than the catholic one, nor does it make this collection of ancient texts any more divinely inspired.

It is the words in the book that set the tone, if you have a few anchor points the rest can only fit in one way, you are either saved at the beginning of the time for physically gathering or you are gathered just before it would be too late to be gathered at all. If you read for 1 year or 21 years that basic truth does not change.

Don't forget that the NT also meshes seamlessly with the OT prophecies. Understanding just how that happens is in hot debate even these days yet many say the original stories are built by ordinary men, does that mean all those men were much smarter than we are today in that to add to the 'plot' they had to understand all of it first.

Nothing I have proposed is unique, it isn't widely accepted of even discussed though. Feel free to read the 7 letters and chose which destiny fits you best. There are two possible outcomes, both end up with the people being alive and able to look God in the face without having an urge to do a dry-gulp.

Just as thos ancient sites could have been constructed by angelic being they could have been left for men to 'decorate'. That is the way Christ's Tabernacle for the 1,000 years will be 'handled', Christ doing the stone work and men doing the decorating.

Zec:6:12:
And speak unto him,
saying,
Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts,
saying,
Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH;
and he shall grow up out of his place,
and he shall build the temple of the LORD:
Zec:6:13:
Even he shall build the temple of the LORD;
and he shall bear the glory,
and shall sit and rule upon his throne;
and he shall be a priest upon his throne:
and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.
Zec:6:14:
And the crowns shall be to Helem,
and to Tobijah,
and to Jedaiah,
and to Hen the son of Zephaniah,
for a memorial in the temple of the LORD.
Zec:6:15:
And they that are far off shall come and build in the temple of the LORD,
and ye shall know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto you.
And this shall come to pass,
if ye will diligently obey the voice of the LORD your God.

If you would like something that might not be discussed at the moment it concerns Holy Angels and their life in their New Heaven, which starts the same time our New Earth starts.

From the time they were created they were meant to stay a static number. That is accomplished by them not being given in marriage by God. That actually works out fot them as they are under Law also, the same one men will be put under in Re:21. The one difference is when the Angels were put under Law there was also a set time for judging them in connection with that Law. That Angelic Judgment Day is Satan's little season just before fire from God in Heaven does to the earth what it did to Sodom. From that moment on there is never any chance of another Angel (or human) falling into sin and by that being sent to the Lake. God could lift the marriage ban for them because there would be no danger of a 'baby angel' falling into the sins that Satan and the Fallen Angels did. Their place in the lake would include all the 6 fingered giants of the OT but I doubt God would allow them to increase in numbers.

This is the verse that promotes Angels being childless only because they are not married.

M't:22:30:
For in the resurrection they neither marry,
nor are given in marriage,
but are as the angels of God in heaven.

There isn't enough support to say it works that way but it would be more than possible as God writes some new rules for mankind at the same time making it impossible to fall into sin. Adult fallen angels are 2 1/2 miles tall BTW, a baby might be, OMG 50ft, just as big as the b-grade movie but still in diapers and you are the baby-sitter with your Gulliver's Travels babysitting service, by choice of course . Perhaps somebody will convert those 10,000 visions in Enoch into something suitable for the big-screen VR. You see it from the viewpoint of a speck of dust on God's balanced scales. At that height the pupil of an eye would be much taller than you, especially up close and personal. (in a kaleidoscope kind of way)

Is this outlook unique? The way to tell the difference between God and Satan is Satan comes in acting nice and leaves in a huff, time period 3 1/2 years. Christ comes in a huff and 3 1/2 hours later 2/3 of the ones alive on the earth will be dead, after that no-one is ever in danger because nobody is ever tempted to sin, that is why everybody can be of the 2nd birth, a glorified body equal to the one Jesus had after being resurrected. Time period, eternity.

Some of the first texts were written in Hebrew (possibly just a dialect of the Aramaic language), but the Aramaic language was used to write major portions of the books of Daniel and Ezra. As you said they became distorted when the Greeks and Europeans started creating their own versions. Aramaic was the language spoken by Jesus however.

The preface states one of the ones that went to study Hebrew (to get the most accurate translation possible) end up converting, or at least staying with them permanently. There would be no need to do that if you weren't translation from Hebrew texts. The KJV translators grew up speaking Latin and Greek however the used only Greek texts of the books the RCC said belonged in the NT. The preface also covers why those other translations were not used.

At Pentecost all the men could understand each other despite speaking different languages, that could have covered the writers of the Gospels as well, they penned a perfect copy that was written in flawless Greek even if they had never heard one word of Greek before. That is also a possibility that cannot be proved or disproved.

 

[Cliffy]

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[MHz]

How about a dramatic version, lol

MEGAVIDEO - I'm watching it

 

[CDNBear]

Re-read his post.

I read all his posts, I'm just not prone to reading in between lines and making stuff up as I go along, like yourself.

So you are promoting a flat-earth, a lake or ocean is part of an arc.

Not at all. This is simply proof my last statement was spot on.

It would be a mirror image of the ground, static.

Really? Lake Simcoe says you're full of shyte.

How much longer before tides cease to exist?

When the moon disappears I guess. What does that have to do with water seeking the lowest point and level? All you're doing is showing us all your lack of knowldege about the commonsense of fluid dynamics.

All beaches have wet sand an drier sand just a few feet away, both are considered to be dry land.

Not at all.

No more spiritual paths than anyone though. It takes many turns and bends and it even has dead-ends and thus backtracking.

Your point?

The desire is the same, to know the most about their surroundings in the least amount of time, the method they use is exactly the same.

Hardly.

Where does water come from daddy? A question every parent is asked at least 12 times while thier little vidiots are still sharpening thier teeth on the furniture.

Your parents must have had to replace the furniture often.

 

[MHz]

Lake Simcoe says you're full of shyte.

Never been there, does it not have a horizon line that a ship can disappear over?

 

[CDNBear]

Never been there, does it not have a horizon line that a ship can disappear over?

Yep, just like land. Unless I break out the telescope, then I can watch it clear across to Cooch.

So now you're going to confuse the horizon with a mountain?

Good call.