Funeral for Officer Sgt Ryan Russell - Some people are just plain Ignorant

[CrazyWorld]

“In most cases, police unions pay for the officers’ travel and accommodation. But, as is the case with Calgary, the service will also pay for a few members to attend.”
-Toronto Star

“The RNC Association is proud to fund the costs of travel for our members to pay tribute to a fallen officer who paid the ultimate sacrifice to keep his community safe,” he said.
http://www.thetelegram.com/News/Local/2011-01-19/article-2132485/RNC-officers-attend-funeral-of-slain--Toronto-policeman/1

There is the proof.

As for Goober... Labeling somebody as “simple” when people are discussing their viewpoints based on experiences and evidence is quite “simple” in itself. I recommend that you get off this forum, honestly, pack up your keyboard and just leave. Don’t bother coming back with that ignorance.
What motivates people that put their life on the line? Are you serious??? This has been the first officer killed since 2002 in Toronto! It is a very safe job my friend. It’s more dangerous for an inner city civilian to walk home late at night...They face the risk of being harassed by other civilians and officers themselves! Trust me, it happens. I don’t know if your blind to the atrocities committed by officers.
Conscription??? Conscription by doctors too, who put their lives on the line? Construction workers? Teachers? Child and Youth Workers??? Bottom line is a large number of people put their lives on the line on a daily basis. A cashier might encounter a customer that is not right in the head and doesn’t perform something that is requested. Bang, their life is also gone. Would we see a mass funeral in downtown Toronto with cashiers being flown in from different parts of Canada (paid for by us) to show solidarity for their job? Don’t be ignorant. Police officers CHOOSE their jobs...because they choose a certain job they are valued more in society??? All lives should be valued as equal...

Share a bond that I could never understand? My friend, you are assuming that I don’t work a government job very similar to that of an officer...idiot of a Took you are!


Here are some facts for you: Police officers get 6 months of training and are then given a gun... no University/College education needed... 6 months to receive training on how to deal with the public, enforce laws and keep “order” in society.

My main point is: Don’t use my tax dollars to help pay for this funeral. If you want to contribute, send a cheque, I applaud you. I rather continue to volunteer and give money to people that are struggling with two jobs and go into debt to pay for a funeral.

 

[CDNBear]

it was determined that "the" most hazardous position in the city was that of garbage man.

To quote you...

Do you have proof of that?

You always "let me off the hook". It's a lot easier than proving me wrong. One of these days you might actually surprise me and win a debate instead of run away.

That's OK, you always run away, or ignore me when I prove you wrong too.

Here are some facts for you: Police officers get 6 months of training and are then given a gun... no University/College education needed... 6 months to receive training on how to deal with the public, enforce laws and keep “order” in society.

That's 6 months of training after they complete a College course pertaining to. Rarely is anyone recruited off the street and into the ranks of Cadets, without having already completed said College course.

My main point is: Don’t use my tax dollars to help pay for this funeral.

Then by all means, refrain from calling upon the Police, in a time of need.

If you want to contribute, send a cheque, I applaud you. I rather continue to volunteer and give money to people that are struggling with two jobs and go into debt to pay for a funeral.

Have at it.

 

[eh1eh]

Quite an extravaganza.

I felt sorry, more-so, for the poor buggers who work in the area, that was shut down for this event.

It is quite obvious the 'arena' was not shut down. It was open for 12,000 people to attend a funeral. Those 'poor buggers' probabley got an extra shift from this unexpected event.
You epitimise what the OP is pointing out about humanity. So do you Avro.

 

[taxslave]

Was at a hazard assessment seminar recently that was taught by a City of Calgary employee. After thorough hazard assessments of every municipal position it was determined that "the" most hazardous position in the city was that of garbage man. I know how I risk being labeled a troll for pointing out your ignorance once again but inquiring minds like to know this type of stuff.

That is quite probably true among government workers. Aside from traffic there are all kinds of things tossed into the garbage like sharps, various chemicals that can be toxic or even explosive when mixed. Not to mention pissed off little old ladies that expect their garbage can to be treated with the same care and respect as a corvette,

 

[Goober]

“In most cases, police unions pay for the officers’ travel and accommodation. But, as is the case with Calgary, the service will also pay for a few members to attend.”
-Toronto Star

“The RNC Association is proud to fund the costs of travel for our members to pay tribute to a fallen officer who paid the ultimate sacrifice to keep his community safe,” he said.
http://www.thetelegram.com/News/Local/2011-01-19/article-2132485/RNC-officers-attend-funeral-of-slain--Toronto-policeman/1

There is the proof.

As for Goober... Labeling somebody as “simple” when people are discussing their viewpoints based on experiences and evidence is quite “simple” in itself. I recommend that you get off this forum, honestly, pack up your keyboard and just leave. Don’t bother coming back with that ignorance.
What motivates people that put their life on the line? Are you serious??? This has been the first officer killed since 2002 in Toronto! It is a very safe job my friend. It’s more dangerous for an inner city civilian to walk home late at night...They face the risk of being harassed by other civilians and officers themselves! Trust me, it happens. I don’t know if your blind to the atrocities committed by officers.
Conscription??? Conscription by doctors too, who put their lives on the line? Construction workers? Teachers? Child and Youth Workers??? Bottom line is a large number of people put their lives on the line on a daily basis. A cashier might encounter a customer that is not right in the head and doesn’t perform something that is requested. Bang, their life is also gone. Would we see a mass funeral in downtown Toronto with cashiers being flown in from different parts of Canada (paid for by us) to show solidarity for their job? Don’t be ignorant. Police officers CHOOSE their jobs...because they choose a certain job they are valued more in society??? All lives should be valued as equal...

Share a bond that I could never understand? My friend, you are assuming that I don’t work a government job very similar to that of an officer...idiot of a Took you are!


Here are some facts for you: Police officers get 6 months of training and are then given a gun... no University/College education needed... 6 months to receive training on how to deal with the public, enforce laws and keep “order” in society.

My main point is: Don’t use my tax dollars to help pay for this funeral. If you want to contribute, send a cheque, I applaud you. I rather continue to volunteer and give money to people that are struggling with two jobs and go into debt to pay for a funeral.

The RNC covered the cost - Is that proof - No. if that counts as proof to you, again you are in error - It is a Police Association - Not taxpayer funded - Paid from their dues as Officers.

As to discussing from experience - Experience is the greatest teacher, completely discounted by yourself - Well again that is a rather simple minded view. But I did not expect a reasoned reply.

You cannot understand the bond, not because of not having served as an Officer, Soldier, Firefighter, but because of that closed lop thinking that you clearly confuse with a constructive & logical, compassionate thought process. Again you lack all 3.

As to my leaving, not likely. I enjoy meeting people like yourself. It makes and keeps me aware and well grounded of those that like yourself that have a locked in view.

 

[CrazyWorld]

“That's 6 months of training after they complete a College course pertaining to. Rarely is anyone recruited off the street and into the ranks of Cadets, without having already completed said College course.”

Do you have proof of that? It’s funny that my older brother is on officer that only has a high school diploma. We just happened to know somebody. Common buddy, look around you. Do doctor associations allow anybody with a high school diploma to get in? Nooooo, strict requirements are in place.

“Then by all means, refrain from calling upon the Police, in a time of need.”

Hahah I pay tax dollars for them to “Serve and Protect”...Not to pay for their funerals. It’s fine though...Whenever a teacher dies, doctor, counsellor...better yet, anybody in the social sector....Let’s have all tax payers pay for their funeral arrangements and fly in people all over the country to pay respect to their fallen comrade. Agreed? Just remember, you are playing with fire with a comment like that... By all means, don’t go to a doctor when ill....Don’t send your kids to school...etc Oh yeah, I’m waiting for you and Goober to donate money to the police department...pay for my share of the taxes that went into the funeral...it’s the least you could do for an ignorant soul that is lost...Then post the PDF receipt on here too...would ya please???

At Goober:
You’re still here??? Do you have the good eye or does CDN Bear? Who’s leading who?

Buddy, no crap that the RNC is a police association. Where does ALL police money ultimately come from? Now be gone...
In case the hamster up there begins to spin a little faster...your next point might be...”It is a union, they have made investments, kind of like teachers, and are now using the profit to pay for police funerals.”
My rebuttal would then be, “Goober you simpleton, all the money that was initially used to invest and continues to fund those investments comes from the taxpayers anyways! Now be gone...Furthermore, majority of the money earned in social service investments through their respective unions is used to help create a safety net in private retirement funds...”
Yes the money comes from an officer’s cheque, but we pay for those cheques!!! Was that seriously your best point besides calling me simple??? I see that this forum gives out its credentials, such as Goobers “Certified and with papers”, as easy as the police get their badges...lmfao...You’re shameful....I now exit respectfully from this forum and will allow you ignorant police state lovers to continue to mind touch each other...Now I’m gone! Have the satisfaction of knowing that I will not read your response as it will be as ignorant as your first....Account now deleted...Thank you!!!!!!!
P.S. As a person that works with your children everyday, sleep well at night knowing that I’m the one teaching them After all, I CHOOSE to be in this field Would you have preferred teaching conscription???

 

[CDNBear]

Do you have proof of that?

Ya, the several York Regional Officers I call friend, and a simple call to the local detachment of same.

Would you like the number? You can call them yourself.

Or you can take a look at the OPP web page...

http://www.opp.ca/ecms/index.php?id=94

Or the York Regional Police web page...

http://www.yrp.ca/default.aspx?pg=e2c6a34f-1931-40e1-a994-c84fdd7d7d54

But hey, why let facts get in the way of your version of reality.

It’s funny that my older brother is on officer that only has a high school diploma.

Name badge number and force please.

We just happened to know somebody.

Pokaroo?

Common buddy, look around you.

Why?

Do doctor associations allow anybody with a high school diploma to get in?

Nope, but it would be a prerequisite.

Nooooo, strict requirements are in place.

Hence why you're lying about your supposed brother.

Hahah I pay tax dollars for them to “Serve and Protect”...

Good, then move on.

Not to pay for their funerals.

As has already been shown to be false.

It’s fine though...Whenever a teacher dies, doctor, counsellor...better yet, anybody in the social sector....Let’s have all tax payers pay for their funeral arrangements and fly in people all over the country to pay respect to their fallen comrade. Agreed? Just remember, you are playing with fire with a comment like that... By all means, don’t go to a doctor when ill....Don’t send your kids to school...etc Oh yeah, I’m waiting for you and Goober to donate money to the police department...pay for my share of the taxes that went into the funeral...it’s the least you could do for an ignorant soul that is lost...Then post the PDF receipt on here too...would ya please???

Do you have the good eye or does CDN Bear?

Both, hence our brotherhood.

Who’s leading who?

Side by side. But you wouldn't understand that.

Buddy, no crap that the RNC is a police association.

Good, you acknowledge fact.

Where does ALL police money ultimately come from?

It doesn't work that way. By your logic, the guy a politician buys his paper off, is on the public purse.

Nice try, but a simple logical fail.

Now be gone...

Good idea, try taking your own advice.

In case the hamster up there begins to spin a little faster...your next point might be...”It is a union, they have made investments, kind of like teachers, and are now using the profit to pay for police funerals.”
My rebuttal would then be, “Goober you simpleton, all the money that was initially used to invest and continues to fund those investments comes from the taxpayers anyways! Now be gone...Furthermore, majority of the money earned in social service investments through their respective unions is used to help create a safety net in private retirement funds...”
Yes the money comes from an officer’s cheque, but we pay for those cheques!!! Was that seriously your best point besides calling me simple??? I see that this forum gives out its credentials, such as Goobers “Certified and with papers”, as easy as the police get their badges...lmfao...

That's the best baffle gab I've read in years.

You don't actually believe that crap do you?

You’re shameful....

Oh wow, you project too!!??

I now exit respectfully from this forum and will allow you ignorant police state lovers to continue to mind touch each other...Now I’m gone! Have the satisfaction of knowing that I will not read your response as it will be as ignorant as your first....Account now deleted...

Good call, you'll only get proven wrong daily around here.

Thank you!!!!!!!

No, no, thank you.

P.S. As a person that works with your children everyday, sleep well at night knowing that I’m the one teaching them After all, I CHOOSE to be in this field

That actually terrifies me. You should be allowed to teach old dogs new tricks, let alone young impressionable minds.

Would you have preferred teaching conscription???

What does that have to do with the topic?

 

[Cannuck]

You cannot understand the bond, not because of not having served as an Officer, Soldier, Firefighter, ....

I have and do but I cannot understand it nor, in many cases, do I see it. In many cases, there is a public display of this bond but privately, I don't see the bond as any more or less strong than other random friendships.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

You always "let me off the hook". It's a lot easier than proving me wrong. One of these days you might actually surprise me and win a debate instead of run away.

You are so full of crap Cannuck.

I didn't run away, I went to bed. I don't have a 9-5 Mon - Fri job.

If you served in the military, put up or shut up.

What Unit, what rank, when?

You are the first ex (supposedly) military guy who did not equate rag-picker to Logistics. So, if your going to spout off with your holier than thou attitude and make ignorant accusations about Somalia at least have the stones to back up your claim of service.

If you don't want to do it publicly, PM me and I will guarantee anonymity, but otherwise there cackjaws climb down from your high horse.

 

[Goober]

“
P.S. As a person that works with your children everyday, sleep well at night knowing that I’m the one teaching them After all, I CHOOSE to be in this field Would you have preferred teaching conscription???

That you are a teacher does explain things, in your case that is.

You are leaving - Such a shame -

YouTube - Percy Happy Dance

 

[Cannuck]

You are the first ex (supposedly) military guy who did not equate rag-picker to Logistics.

That is a stretch. I corrected Goober who seemed to feel (like you) that the term is owned by the military. It is not.

As for my military history, like I've said before, I have talked extensively about it in some threads. I indicated people could look it up on their own or they could ask nicely. Since none of you have bothered to ask nicely, I really could not care less if my silence on the issue bothers you or anybody else.

That said, I think it is fairly clear that I don't value (or better yet, I don't define) military service as you do. It's a job to me and nothing more. Obviously (since you chose RCS as your handle) you place significant importance on the military. I find that the fire service is much the same. Many of the members I know define themselves as firefighters much like you define yourself as military. For me, it may be an important aspect of my life at the moment but it in no way defines me and I could quit it tomorrow if I wanted to (in fact I would if enough people voluteered). I guess my dad rubbed off on me. He spent his entire working career with DND but you'd never know it to talk to him. If you were to mention Shilo to him today he would most likely want to talk about the local golf course.

The point is that I really do find it humerous that people see my service (or lack of service) as an issue. I don't see that it adds anthing in terms of credibility just as yours does not.

 

[Goober]

That is a stretch. I corrected Goober who seemed to feel (like you) that the term is owned by the military. It is not.

As for my military history, like I've said before, I have talked extensively about it in some threads. I indicated people could look it up on their own or they could ask nicely. Since none of you have bothered to ask nicely, I really could not care less if my silence on the issue bothers you or anybody else.

That said, I think it is fairly clear that I don't value (or better yet, I don't define) military service as you do. It's a job to me and nothing more. Obviously (since you chose RCS as your handle) you place significant importance on the military. I find that the fire service is much the same. Many of the members I know define themselves as firefighters much like you define yourself as military. For me, it may be an important aspect of my life at the moment but it in no way defines me and I could quit it tomorrow if I wanted to (in fact I would if enough people voluteered). I guess my dad rubbed off on me. He spent his entire working career with DND but you'd never know it to talk to him. If you were to mention Shilo to him today he would most likely want to talk about the local golf course.

The point is that I really do find it humerous that people see my service (or lack of service) as an issue. I don't see that it adds anthing in terms of credibility just as yours does not.

No where did I state that Rag Picker was owned by the Military - I noted that it was used in the Military. Just as the term Numpty was used and I 1st heard it in the late 70's in Petawawa. Same with the term Goober.

I will explain the difference

For some it is a Job

For others it is a Profession.

A major difference in how you perform is how you look at Soldiering - Job or Profession -

 

[Cannuck]

No where did I state that Rag Picker was owned by the Military - I noted that it was used in the Military. Just as the term Numpty was used and I 1st heard it in the late 70's in Petawawa. Same with the term Goober.

Quote: Originally Posted by Goober So a sanitation Worker does not and and I mean NOT mean the term Rag Picker.

It does. You are wrong.

A major difference in how you perform is how you look at Soldiering - Job or Profession -

I disagree.

 

[Goober]

It does. You are wrong.



I disagree.

As is your right - But how many do you meet that treat it as a job and perform poorly?

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Other than the Nickname I do not walk around espousing that I am former military day to day in civilian life.

However, when I meet a soldier serving or retired I always have the time of day for them.

As for what Bear said about brotherhood, if you don't get it then that's your deal, but likely it was because you probably did not fit in well or serve long enough. So in fact when you criticize someone regarding their military service, views, etc it's obvious that you have little understanding of esprit de corps.

I won't prod you about it again Cannuck, your response draws a clear enough conclusion as why you would not want to bring it up.

 

[Cannuck]

So in fact when you criticize someone regarding their military service, views, etc it's obvious that you have little understanding of esprit de corps.

I have not criticized anybody regarding their military service. On the contrary, I think it is irrelevant for the most part. You, Goober, CB et al are the ones that think it relevant and snub other profession whilst trying to make your points. You seem to have this need to denigrate others to make a point and then throw the troll label at me. At least I don't denigrate whole groups of people I don't even know simply because of the job they do or don't do.

As is your right - But how many do you meet that treat it as a job and perform poorly?

It is generally those that think it more than a job that I find least competent...especially in the fire service. Capable people will be capable and incapable people will not be capable. Those less capable tend to gravitate to the peripheral bull****. It's amazing how the least competent firefighters love to put on their uniforms and look important. The competent ones go and clean equipment. Speaking of cleaning equipment.....

 

[Goober]

I have not criticized anybody regarding their military service. On the contrary, I think it is irrelevant for the most part. You, Goober, CB et al are the ones that think it relevant and snub other profession whilst trying to make your points. You seem to have this need to denigrate others to make a point and then throw the troll label at me. At least I don't denigrate whole groups of people I don't even know simply because of the job they do or don't do.

Noooope - I do not denigrate because a person decided not to enlist - that was my choice - free will - i do though take note of when people express an opinion of the Military that may be grossly in error -

I would never begrudge not insult a man that earns an honest days wages thru honest work.

As to the term Rag Picker for sanitation worker - it is used to slam that person/work - I look upon that term as denigrating the person performing that work - It is hard, back breaking work and by the way it pays quite well - So when have I ever slagged a person for honest work.

So you are in error there.

What trade / branch are you?

 

[CDNBear]

You, Goober, CB et al are the ones that think it relevant and snub other profession whilst trying to make your points.

How did I get sucked into that BS?

I have never denigrated anyone's chosen profession. I do not look down on garbage men. One of my close friends, Matty, is a jumper. My wife ran a recycling depot for years. Both see their job as vital, but both still place a heavy helping of respect on those that serve.

I've chastised a system that caps the salaries of Doctors, while hockey players make millions.

Firefighters are hero's in my books. Anyone that runs into a burning building, while others are running out, get's my props. Not to mention having been rescued out of the Lake in February by the local Firefighters.

Same goes for Paramedics.

I place more worth in a job where your life is on the line, as a matter of performing your job day to day.

That's my opinion, and like it or not, it's as valid as yours.

And btw, I asked you nicely to simply cite a post in which you discussed your military career, out of simple curiousity. I've known you since ITN's first site, and I can't remember once seeing anything about it.

If you have or haven't served is actually irrelevant. I was honestly curious. I'm not out to embarrass you or disprove your claim. And to be even more honest, good or bad, if you had served, I would likely treat you differently. Yes, I roll like that. It's a brotherhood, you can try and denigrate my feelings, by stating those that place as much value on it as I do, are in the fringe, or were rather lackluster, but I will wholeheartedly disagree. It was a high point of my life. I know what it takes to be a Trooper. Anyone befitting that honour, is my brother/sister.

You may disagree, but again, that's how I see it.

 

[Avro]

Grief or glamour?

Too many teary-eyed folks at cop’s funeral just wanted to be on TV
By MICHAEL COREN, QMI Agency

The funeral of police Sgt. Ryan Russell was held in Toronto this week, attended by 12,500 police officers and other first responders, and thousands of ordinary members of the public.
People who had never met the 35-year-old officer cried in front of journalists and explained why they made journeys of sometimes more than two hours just to see the poor man’s casket.
They told stories, often strangely tenuous, of how they felt connected to the tragedy because of some relative of a relative who was once a cop, or something equally contrived. The media covered the day in enormous, sometimes surreal detail, partly because radio stations and newspapers that don’t are routinely accused of police-bashing.
Just the day before the funeral of Sgt. Russell, a 66-year-old woman died from hypothermia on the streets of this same, allegedly caring city. She was suffering from dementia and had walked out of her home in the middle of the night in freezing conditions.
Once her body experienced the agonizing weather, the confused, broken lady began to scream for help and claw at a nearby car door when she fell over. Some people admitted to hearing her, perhaps even seeing her, but they did not bother to help.
So forgive my skepticism when I argue that Toronto, just like any other city or town in this country, is not compassionate at all, but likes nothing more than soaking itself in the comforting waters of official mourning. Morbid and often misplaced grief has become the ersatz religion of modern times. Not just in Canada, but throughout North America and Europe. The western world has caught neurosis.
We witnessed this when the self-indulgent Princess Diana died, see it when a child is abducted and murdered. The teddy bears, enormous cards and kids dragged by their parents to crime scenes are as plentiful as confetti at a wedding, and just as trivial. Hardly any such display though when, for example, four working men died on Christmas Eve in 2009 falling from a scaffold. Or when homeless people are beaten to death for fun.
I intend no disrespect to a fallen police officer, and I appreciate that he symbolizes not just the police, but the line between our safety and criminal chaos. I also understand why so many other cops would want to attend. But for the life of me, I cannot and will not believe that most of the spectators were motivated by genuine concern.
They wanted to be part of a happening, with a fair chance they would appear somewhere on a 24-hour TV news station and they could tell their friends and neighbours how caring and involved they are. This is vicarious thrill-seeking, feeling soft and cosy inside because it’s not happening to you, but you can pretend to feel the pain.
Good Lord, whatever happened to the dignity of private grief, surrounded by family, authentic friends, religious community and those who love you rather than love the moment?
Oh, by the way, January is Alzheimer Awareness Month. But being “aware” won’t help that poor lady who froze to death, and probably won’t get you a moment of fame on television.


Bingo!

 

[eh1eh]

Micheal Coren can be dramatic. I lost respect for him soon after he started on CFRB. I found myself nodding in agreement to his opinions. So much so I found I actually didn't agree with him as he was becoming gratuitous. He makes some good points but I feel he does it for his own monetary gain. You know, to appeall to the populous in a lowest common denominator way so he'll have an audience. That's his bread and butter.
I give his article a zero even though I do agree in part with what he says I find he is most likely wrong on most points here. I would say anyone that bothered to go downtown Toronto to attend this event did it in response to feeling of their heart.
To summarize. Coren is a dick. Maybe he has a good bash for the next fallen soldier too.