France apologises for showing Mohammed cartoons.

[Durgan]

Re: RE: France apologises for showing Mohammed cartoons.

Durgan, you appear to continue to operate under the assumption that extremist Muslims represent the views of a majority of Muslims — I would implore you to concede that such is simply not the case. I have said it before, and I would say it again: A majority of Canada's Islamic associations have publicly denounced terrorism, and most did so in light of the World Trade Center terrorist attacks.

I have been listening and looking for the Muslim community to comdemn these attacks for months. At most you get some hack on the CBC who half heartily makes some weak excuse. If it was some Christian wacko group using religion as an excuse they would be condemed forthwith both by the secular society and from the pulpit (not that many people listen to the pulpit anymore). I suggest most Muslims are clapping on the sidelines. I have mentioned before their silence is deafening.

Durgan.

 

[unclepercy]

Re: Depiction of the Prophet Muhammed (p.b.u.h.)

We must keep the context of these cartoons in mind; they are not only a parody of the Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him); but rather, they are an affront to the faith itself — to depict the Prophet Muhammed (p.b.u.h.) is a serious and offensive violation of the Islamic faith, and I think that it would be appropriate for us, as members of the world stage, to be sensitive to each others' customs and to respect them.

The Muslims need to get a sense of humor, and more importantly, weed their own garden of the trouble-makers.

Uncle

 

[Stretch]

you assume that this cartoon was just that....a cartoon.
not a catylist......

 

[darkbeaver]

Posted by Joshua Holland on February 7, 2006 at 11:50 AM.

I just want to add one more point to Matt and Laura's posts, below.

You know that whole thing about how this was started when a right-wing Danish paper tried to make some grand statement about the West's love of freedom of expression? Well, I don't know how to say "bullshit" in Danish, but that's what it is. This, via Steve Gilliard:

Jyllands-Posten, the Danish newspaper that first published the cartoons of the prophet Muhammad that have caused a storm of protest throughout the Islamic world, refused to run drawings lampooning Jesus Christ, it has emerged today.

The Danish daily turned down the cartoons of Christ three years ago, on the grounds that they could be offensive to readers and were not funny.

In April 2003, Danish illustrator Christoffer Zieler submitted a series of unsolicited cartoons dealing with the resurrection of Christ to Jyllands-Posten.

Zieler received an email back from the paper's Sunday editor, Jens Kaiser, which said: "I don't think Jyllands-Posten's readers will enjoy the drawings. As a matter of fact, I think that they will provoke an outcry. Therefore, I will not use them."

Dumb, bigoted and thoroughly hypocritical. Hope they're happy.

Disclaimer: nothing in this post should be construed as approval of the mindless insanity that this stupidity has wrought. Shouldn't have to say that, but I know I do.

 

[Virtual Burlesque]

Re: RE: France apologises for showing Mohammed cartoons.

I have been listening and looking for the Muslim community to comdemn these attacks for months.

Looking into the boob tube, you will see agencies like FauxNews rerunning clips of street Arabs purportedly celebrating the collapse of the WTC, repeated over and over — even occasionally now, five years later.

There is no doubt that it happened, but it also happened that Muslims around the world (especially in the United States) made public statements condemning Bin Laden and other terrorists, but somehow this was not then, or thereafter, considered to be as newsworthy.

If you are waiting in front of the tube for a report of such a statement to jump out and bite you on the ass, it won’t happen.

If you make the least effort (on the internet, for example) they are quite easy to find.

A 10-second Google search found these:


http://www.glocaleye.org/binladen.htm

http://www.islam-online.net/English/News/2001-09/13/article1.shtml

 

[Blackleaf]

Today, Jacques Chirac condemned European newspapers for publishing these cartoons.

The British and American press did the right thing for not publishing them.

 

[Blackleaf]

Re: Depiction of the Prophet Muhammed (p.b.u.h.)

The Muslims need to get a sense of humor

So would you laugh if a Muslim newspaper made fun of the Holocaust?

 

[I think not]

Well if you're going to pat yourself on the back, be nice and throw the Canadians into the mix, eh?

 

[Curiosity]

Well perhaps I am the only one who remembers....

....the desecration of the crosses on the graves at Normandy about five years ago, with obscenities written on them....and nothing was done.

Somehow the apology rings false...out of cowardice.....and they have chosen to allow a large Islamic immigration into France. I notice the whole European Muslim community remain very silent when outrageous things are done in the name of Islamic terrorism.

Obviously integration is not about to happen at least for generations. Meanwhile the European nations accept the trashing of their traditions, demands by newcomers for change, and back off when the truth is printed.

I repeat they do backwards well....

 

[Huck]

Well perhaps I am the only one who remembers....

....the desecration of the crosses on the graves at Normandy about five years ago, with obscenities written on them....and nothing was done.

Somehow the apology rings false...out of cowardice.....and they have chosen to allow a large Islamic immigration into France. I notice the whole European Muslim community remain very silent when outrageous things are done in the name of Islamic terrorism.

Obviously integration is not about to happen at least for generations. Meanwhile the European nations accept the trashing of their traditions, demands by newcomers for change, and back off when the truth is printed.

I repeat they do backwards well....

yeah, sure. They shouldv'e told them to go f*ck themselves and begin the third world war, which would also reach us, Canada and the US. Good thinking...


Perhaps the US should also deport all the blacks because of the watts riots in LA...

 

[athabaska]

France didn't apologize. Freedom is bigger than their ass-kissing leader. No Canadian leader is going to shut me up condemning a sicko religion that advocates murder and hatred against homosexuals and treats women like objects.

 

[unclepercy]

Re: Depiction of the Prophet Muhammed (p.b.u.h.)

The Muslims need to get a sense of humor

So would you laugh if a Muslim newspaper made fun of the Holocaust?

I probably couldn't read it. And you are comparing apples with shoes. IF - if, Muslims made fun of Jesus (a more apt comparison), I would shrug and blow it off. Who cares what they think? Phhft!

Uncle

 

[Virtual Burlesque]

But what if the Arab League had conspired to block and suppress any development toward a democratic American government for over half a century, supporting corrupt dictatorships whose existence quashed all America’s influence in world opinion, and then published scathing satires on the average American male’s infantile dependence upon identification with a competition between professional football teams for an ersatz sense of identity?

Comparing the Islamic countries’ reverence for their prophet Muhammad with a western country’s reverence for the Christ is far closer to comparing apples with footwear, but FOOTBALL ... now you’re getting closer.



I wonder if Wednesday remembers Larry Northern of Waco, Texas?

He was arrested on August 15, 2005 for allegedly dragging a pipe behind his vehicle in an effort to knock over the crosses representing American soldiers fallen in Iraq, set up outside Bush’s Crawford, Texas “ranch” by Cindy Sheehan’s protest group.

There are brainless idiots everywhere. Their numbers are not found exclusively in France, amongst Europeans, or even amongst the ranks of the followers of Islam.

 

[I think not]

The keyword you used VB was arrested, we haven't seen anyone arrested for what has happened recently, now have we? Quite the contrary, Middle East governments have taken part in all this by not enforcing the law.

 

[Curiosity]

Virtual

I appreciate your petit examples of acting out by idiots the world over.... I agree. There are American Idiots and French Idiots and even Canadian Idiots. I just happen to think the French have been practicing idiocy longer than we in the west (Canada and the US). There does that make you feel better?

To be honest Virtual....I just can't work up a debate modality with a guy whose head is lodged firmly up his rear end. :lol:

Now ITN is a stand up person who will give everyone their props....
but I'm kinda particular about eye contact and all that formal stuff.

 

[Jay]

Now ITN is a stand up person who will give everyone their props....
but I'm kinda particular about eye contact and all that formal stuff.

He's used to it cause he deals with me!

 

[Curiosity]

Jay

Right on cue fella - excellent !!!

 

[Virtual Burlesque]

To be honest Virtual....I just can't work up a debate modality with a guy whose head is lodged firmly up his rear end. :lol:

I am sorry, Wednesday, if you find my avatar a trifle disconcerting. It was not my first choice, but my original avatar was rejected because it showed a tad too much skin.

During the time I spent lurking here, I became convinced that a position such as the one depicted in my present (and the previous) avatar was de rigeur.



In the brief interval between the time I spent as a lurker from work, and when I began posting from my newly-reconnected home computer, someone whose posts I once enjoyed has gone missing.

Can anybody tell me, whatever happened to the Reverend Blair? :?

 

[Curiosity]

To be honest Virtual....I just can't work up a debate modality with a guy whose head is lodged firmly up his rear end. :lol:

I am sorry, Wednesday, if you find my avatar a trifle disconcerting. It was not my first choice, but my original avatar was rejected because it showed a tad too much skin.

During the time I spent lurking here, I became convinced that a position such as the one depicted in my present (and the previous) avatar was de rigeur.

In the brief interval between the time I spent as a lurker from work, and when I began posting from my newly-reconnected home computer, someone whose posts I once enjoyed has gone missing.

Can anybody tell me, whatever happened to the Reverend Blair? :?

No problem Virtual

I'm not at all disconcerted by your avatar - only that II find it difficult to be serious and the humor gets me...but you needn't explain at all. Everyone makes their own choices...

As to your question - Reverend who?

 

[Colpy]

Re: RE: France apologises for showing Mohammed cartoons.

I quite agree that it was wise of the French to
do some apology since the weeks of sudden rioting are
still fresh in their minds.

But there are situations where one must make a stand.

The mystery is to know when.

And so this old jewish holocaust joke comes to mind.

As the two jewish friends are standing in line
to the showers, neither of them knowing it is a
gas chamber, the one Jew notices his friend looking
too openly at the Nazi guards and advises: Be careful.
Look down. Don't antagonize them !!!

Exactly.

In my humble opinion, and I know it isn't exactly mainstream, it is time to start antagonizing them.

Every newspaper in the western world should pick a date, and all should print these cartoons on their front page. Let the Muslim world go nuts. I am tired of their bullshit.

These are the same people whose newspapers print as fact the blood libel......that Jews kidnap and murder gentile children to use their blood in the unleavened bread of passover.

We get absolutely no respect from the Muslim world. It is little wonder It is little wonder, when nations apologize for the printing of cartoons in free, independent newspapers.

And, of course, Canadian universities have jumped into the lead in the jellyfish races..........security guards raided the offices of the student newspaper at UPEI to seize 2000 copies that reprint the cartoons.

It is time we realized something.....we are fortunate enough to live in a society that is both rich and free, and the most powerful force on earth. But somehow we have become ashamed, somehow we have lost that self-confidence, that assuredness that we are correct that is so essential to a great civilization. We bow and scrape to fanatic lunatics, we hesitate to exercise our freedom, we surrender liberty to appease those who don't understand the concept.

We are free.

If the Muslim world doesn't like that, they can collectively kiss my arse.