Forum Research, Posters' Political Compass

[Corduroy]

I think you are looking at this as a black/white either/or issue. I don't believe it is. As I've always said, the political left and the political right want to control people, they just want the control for different reasons. The radical right, for example, want to make sure you aren't having gay sex and the radical left want to make sure you aren't buying an SUV.

The left and the right want to control different things, OK, but what is libertarianism? I thought it was about reducing control. It's on the "less" side of the less/more government continuum. If left libertarians are for more economic control, then are they less libertarian the most control they demand. And the same for right libertarians who are supposedly for more social control. The more right they are the less libertarian they are.

A radical left libertarian doesn't trust corporations and a radical right libertarian doesn't trust government. They both have their bogeymen.

OK, they don't trust those things, but what do they do about them? The more they do the less libertarian they are. So if they are radical left or right, presumably they'd do more and essentially not be libertarian.

 

[Cannuck]

OK, they don't trust those things, but what do they do about them? The more they do the less libertarian they are. So if they are radical left or right, presumably they'd do more and essentially not be libertarian.

A true libertarian would be close to an anarchist. That's one of the problems with the definitions that get thrown around today, meanings tend to get blurred.

A libertarian wants a very weak government but inevitably large corporations would step in and take over where the government left off. Take labour laws for example. A libertarian wants less government so given a smaller government without the ability to properly manage and enforce labour laws, corporations create the rules themselves (ie - they do what they want). True "liberty" is a pipe dream.

The point is that somebody on the lib/left tends to think that we need minimal government to give us liberty from the corporations while the lib/right feels we need government to get out of the way of corporations so the free enterprise system can liberate us.

 

[Locutus]

I think we all change and shift a bit over the years. I have. Fighting anything or everything and remaining inflexible sours the soul. I've actually 'listened' to many differing viewpoints over the years online and some from people I'd otherwise maybe get into a shouting match with r/t. But taking-in the words, repeated over time, and not be able to jump and slap your lips makes me slow down and think a bit. You won't change me overnight but some of you loons (Gh,Unf,Bear and such) have rubbed off on me a little.


How so you might ask yourself. Well, I realized that keeping a hair up my arse wasn't very good for my relationship with myself and others. People didn't seem to care for close-minded pompous arrogant pricks. This led to my kinder mellower self. The happy go lucky free spirit you all know.

You see, not that very long ago I was a death sentence, Ku Klux Klan manly man. Now, I've been transformed into a peace-loving citizen, tolerating all you dope smoking hippy freak weirdos, walking with Mark in the gay pride parade and watching Oxygen.

Used to vote PC, now it's NDP.

Hey, life is change, growth is optional, choose wisely.

Yours in peace and love,

Loc




Ok, so maybe some of that was a stretch. :lol:

 

[Corduroy]

The point is that somebody on the lib/left tends to think that we need minimal government to give us liberty from the corporations while the lib/right feels we need government to get out of the way of corporations so the free enterprise system can liberate us.

Does this not mean that the left libertarian supports more government than the right libertarian?

 

[petros]

Left means zero govt/rule at all, Right is full on hardcore totalitarianism.

 

[Ron in Regina]

So....I'm the only one here leaning into the "Authoritarian right" spectrum?

 

[Cliffy]

So....I'm the only one here leaning into the "Authoritarian right" spectrum?

And here I thought you were among the more level headed among us and now it turns out you're a blood thirsty fascist dog. Who'da guessed?

 

[In Between Man]

So....I'm the only one here leaning into the "Authoritarian right" spectrum?

Nope. I'm the single "authoritarian-right" vote in the poll so far...

 

[Cliffy]

Nope. I'm the single "authoritarian-right" vote in the poll so far...

right wing fundamentalist fascist!

 

[In Between Man]

right wing fundamentalist fascist!

And yet I'm loved by all...

 

[Corduroy]

Economic Left/Right: -3.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.36

That's me by the way

 

[In Between Man]

fascist!

BTW, according to Wikipedia, fascism is opposed to democracy, conservatism, and capitalism(among several things) all of which I love, so "fascist" doesn't fit. :smile:

 

[Corduroy]

According to Wikipedia there's no adequate definition of fascism. Which makes "fascist" a pliable enough insult to hurl around.

 

[In Between Man]

According to Wikipedia there's no adequate definition of fascism. Which makes "fascist" a pliable enough insult to hurl around.

Are you saying Cliffy was trying to insult me?!

But I sent him a pic from my camping trip, commented on his bike, and joked around with him several times...

*cries himself to sleep tonight*

 

[CDNBear]

Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.28

That would mean that either questionnaires like this one and the ones by the CBC some time ago are completely wrong....or....I've been fooling everyone in the forum into believing I'm a right wing gun toting extremist...

That's what happens when the narrow minded try and place you in a specific category, to justify their dismissal of your thoughts. Instead of listening to you.

It just makes it easier to dismiss things that make them uncomfortable, or to shallow to admit are true.

Or perhaps you simply have no idea what you are talking about. I would go with that one.

Case in point DaS.

Although that's more of a fragile ego getting bruised, and trying to protect itself, than an actual thought based upon a broad knowledge of your political views DaS.

 

[s_lone]

I'm a Libertarian Left.

Economic Left/Right: -6.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.21

To many questions, I would have answered ''I don't know'' or ''undecided''. It's tricky...

 

[DaSleeper]

Or perhaps you simply have no idea what you are talking about. I would go with that one.

And with all your smartass comments on religion ,politics and indian affairs I have come to the conclusion quite a while back ,mind you that you were full of shyte....and nothing you have posted in recent times has made me change my mind.....

 

[petros]

It's rigged!

or maybe you all really are full of Bolshevik?

 

[DaSleeper]

Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.28

That's what happens when the narrow minded try and place you in a specific category, to justify their dismissal of your thoughts. Instead of listening to you.

:lol:
Oops I hadn't seen your post yet when I answered Cannuck..:smile:

It just makes it easier to dismiss things that make them uncomfortable, or to shallow to admit are true.

Case in point DaS.

Although that's more of a fragile ego getting bruised, and trying to protect itself, than an actual thought based upon a broad knowledge of your political views DaS.

Yup....for some all there knowledge come fro wiki...

 

[Ron in Regina]

Nope. I'm the single "authoritarian-right" vote in the poll so far...

Sorry.....it was late (for me)....I meant "authoritarian-left" & it seems one other
person is in that camp according to the poll.