Forgiveness
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Sure beats freezing your ass off in a frozen waste land. Three cheers for global warming.
My memory isn't long enough any more to forgive. I always forget first.
If you won't play ball my way, you can pretty much go to Hell too.
;-) I'm sure you can see the similarity.....
If you continue this grinchlike attitude, the Seuss god will make you eat your nads.
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Actually, society insists we do not forgive without conditions, because has it's role model to it's citizens and in particular the criminal pardon, it doesn't forgive unless it is asked for, AND, the offender submits additional sentencing not stated at trial of 300$ disguised has a "fee".
The conclusion is that whatever religion Canada holds to collectively, it isn't Christian,
because Christians believe that forgiveness/pardons are to be granted unconditionally.
AndyF
Actually, society insists we do not forgive without conditions, because has it's role model to it's citizens and in particular the criminal pardon, it doesn't forgive unless it is asked for, AND, the offender submits additional sentencing not stated at trial of 300$ disguised has a "fee".
The conclusion is that whatever religion Canada holds to collectively, it isn't Christian,
because Christians believe that forgiveness/pardons are to be granted unconditionally.
AndyF
That is when the forgiveness reaches out to society. Between individuals and oneself, society is left out of the picture.
It is more-or-less secular, which is handy when there are many religions. But, Canada was built primarilty with the aid of Christian principles.
That means murderers, rapists, etc. should ONLY be judged and dealt with by the Christian god, which leaves them to continue causing no end of harm to others.
God means it to be a collective effort, with individuals and societies doing their part, this is why it isn't working. Power corrupts absolutely, and when you are a society sinning, it seems to become less urgent to correct error. But the christian churches seem to be caught up in collectivism and the power that comes with it. It forgets to minister to nations and tell them that collectively they are wrong. This is because it's safer to forget about an individual who complains than a nation.
I'm not sure, or are we ever, do we know Heralds intent since he seems to mouthpiece without positing, but I can say he isn't describing what is copacetic and harmonious today and this would give a false impression.
If he claims to be extoling Catholic dogma, then at this time his Church has allied itself with civil authority instead of ministering to it, supposedly being the Word of God on this earth. The pardon issue is just one failure of the Church's mandate that it could do something about even if it is a simple protest for the individual. It remains politically correct at the expense of individual backing that he deserves.
One day a real Catholic Church will come out of it's timidity, and be unafraid to voice God's commands.
Andy
It sounds like you would impose Catholic will on Protestants, Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Native Americans, Atheists, Agnostics and everybody else. In a secular society it s not the place of any one religion to dominate the rest. That is why we supposedly have separation of church and state. When Catholicisms had influence over governments we ended up with inquisitions and witch hunts. Sorry, but I and many others would fight Catholic interference in our politics and so called justice system.
lol Churches know about as much on what is wrong with societies as politicians do. Politics and religions are what have built our societies to be what they are. Both are a bane to humankind. Both are tools for the few to control the many and so far politics, religions, and societies have been geared by those few, so the many have very little, if any, hope of changing anything. As you said, though, "Christians believe that forgiveness/pardons are to be granted unconditionally" so everything's cool and we should just accept whatever comes so some god or other can deal with it later.
Its kinda funny that some of the religious think we should forgive and pardon anti social behaviour but their god is just in condemning all who don't believe in it to eternal damnation, pain and anguish for all eternity. Double standard or what?
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Get deceived rather than deceive, get harmed rather than harm
You have to live in this world according to the instructions of the Lord. Regarding your life in this world, the essence of His instruction is that, you should be ‘deceived’ by others and not deceive others, you should be ‘harmed by others but not harm anyone, you should not insult others, but you can be insulted by others, and you should be abused by others but not abuse others. One cannot attain God by doing penance even for centuries. But there is one easiest way to attain God.
When you are deceived by others or when you are harmed by others or when you are insulted by others or when you are abused by others, the Lord comes to your side. It means you have attained God. Therefore, you should thank the people who have deceived, or harmed or insulted or abused you. They have helped you in attaining God by the easiest way. Therefore you should not deceive or harm or insult or scold even such people in return. They might have passed on the punishment to you, for your sins on the will of God. In that case also, they have cleared your sins at an early stage without further interest on the punishment. Even in that way you should thank them.
