Ford to run in October.

SLM

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That's not the half of it. I don't believe in free will either, so even when people do change, it's got nothing to do with a will to change. :lol: from a scientific and epistemological perspective, free will is on very thin ice these days.

Can't win, don't try. That's uplifting.

So when your child comes to you and says math is too hard, do you tell him or her to just resign themselves to failure?

Anyways, with respect to Ford, the point is that if you liked him before you should probably still like him despite the recent furor. And if you didn't like him before, you shouldn't like him now for the same reasons.

He doesn't seem good at controlling his compulsions. On the other hand I don't think, based on what I;'ve seen, that he is a crack addict or an alcoholic.

I couldn't care less about Ford, frankly I'm sick to death of hearing about him.
 

DaSleeper

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Can't win, don't try. That's uplifting.

So when your child comes to you and says math is too hard, do you tell him or her to just resign themselves to failure?



I couldn't care less about Ford, frankly I'm sick to death of hearing about him.
But it's fun to watch people get their panties in a twist when he just won't give up, and give them the satisfaction of having beaten him....He said one time, that the electors would decide his fate, not his enemies.........
 

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That's not the half of it. I don't believe in free will either, so even when people do change, it's got nothing to do with a will to change. :lol: from a scientific and epistemological perspective, free will is on very thin ice these days.

Anyways, with respect to Ford, the point is that if you liked him before you should probably still like him despite the recent furor. And if you didn't like him before, you shouldn't like him now for the same reasons.

He doesn't seem good at controlling his compulsions. On the other hand I don't think, based on what I;'ve seen, that he is a crack addict or an alcoholic.
no free will, huh?

so who's pulling your strings then?
 

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It was a valid point. The implementation was wrong. And the faith in this tactic allowed McSquinty to turn the focus away from his bungled years in office and failed promises and turn it against Tory. It was Tory's campaign to lose and he did.

He should have abandon it early on and not allowed himself to be framed up that way. I agree, but Tory was still being honest and it didn't want to flip flop. He was sabotaged by his own people as well. Extreme right wingers helped sink the campaign. I still see John Tory as an honest guy who would have made a good Premier and a far better leader than his successor in the Ontario PC's. We should not be funding the Catholic school system if we are going to exclude all other religious schools..
 

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He should have abandon it early on and not allowed himself to be framed up that way. I agree, but Tory was still being honest and it didn't want to flip flop. He was sabotaged by his own people as well. Extreme right wingers helped sink the campaign. I still see John Tory as an honest guy who would have made a good Premier and a far better leader than his successor in the Ontario PC's. We should not be funding the Catholic school system if we are going to exclude all other religious schools..

Funding more faith based schools certainly doesn't sound like an extreme right wing issue to me, and that is pretty much where is campaign ended.

It isn't an issue of honesty. It is simply an issue of a very bad policy idea. He shouldn't have allowed that on the platform in the first place.

Don't get me wrong, I like the guy, but I don't know why you are hung up on this "he was too honest" thing when his real problem has just been very poor choices.
 

IdRatherBeSkiing

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interesting; politicians, should they be given the benefit of the doubt, or should they need to prove they are worthy of our trust

When Bill Clinton was "not having sex with Monica Lewinski", the argument was always what the leader does in his personal life should have no bearing on consideration for his office. It was and is a valid argument. Same thing should apply to Rob Ford. If he smoked crack while stealing tax dollars, he would have breached the public trust. But on his own time, well he has made his life difficult since his enemies like to skim the gutter and use everything against him, but does not affect my judgement of him as a mayor.
 

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When Bill Clinton was "not having sex with Monica Lewinski", the argument was always what the leader does in his personal life should have no bearing on consideration for his office. It was and is a valid argument. Same thing should apply to Rob Ford. If he smoked crack while stealing tax dollars, he would have breached the public trust. But on his own time, well he has made his life difficult since his enemies like to skim the gutter and use everything against him, but does not affect my judgement of him as a mayor.

Lol, this whole tactic of trying to pretend that Ford's problems are isolated to one single issue is getting old.
 

Cannuck

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When Bill Clinton was "not having sex with Monica Lewinski", the argument was always what the leader does in his personal life should have no bearing on consideration for his office. It was and is a valid argument. Same thing should apply to Rob Ford. If he smoked crack while stealing tax dollars, he would have breached the public trust. But on his own time, well he has made his life difficult since his enemies like to skim the gutter and use everything against him, but does not affect my judgement of him as a mayor.

Bill Clinton lied to congress. The issue was not him having sexual relations with that woman
 

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I understand it might be tough to follow this stuff from the unibomber style shack that you live in, but it was pretty blatant even during the election.

Ford promised to build subways without raising taxes. Today we have higher taxes and a tentative plan to maybe build a few extra stops.

Ford promised to cut 2 billion from the budget without reducing services. Instead the budget has gone up, services have been cut, and user fees have increased.

This fun election video where he claims that removing perks for councilors like free zoo passes would save the city "minimum minimum MINIMUM, 20-30 million dollars" when it actually doesn't cost the city a dime.(the city would lose out on any money that they would have spent on these things if they were not free, but assuming that every councilor would spend over 600k per year on going to the zoo and city golf courses is a bit optimistic)

Free Perks Revealed by Toronto Councillor Rob Ford - YouTube
Hmmmn I just got my property assessment today , that is the basses of my property tax . How about you Born Ruff did your assessment go up or down this year ?

Fordites?

Okay how many in this thread actually cast a vote in Toronto?

I don't, pretty sure Petros doesn't, or Mentalfloss, who else.
I don't but I sure love exploding heads .
 

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So I guess I can infer from this statement that you do not live in Toronto and therefore do not pay taxes in Toronto.

You also seem to think that you are somehow subsidizing Toronto, when it is really the other way around.

Of course Toronto gets a lot out of the provincial coffers. We represent 20% of the tax base and are the center of much of the economic activity in Ontario.

How many people use city of Toronto infrastructure to get to work every day yet pay nothing directly to the city in taxes? How many smaller cities shoo their disadvantaged people out of town and into Toronto where we get to pick up the bill?
Did you get your assessment today or did your landlord ?

There certainly are Tea Party Wingnuts in Canada, they just go under different names.



Says the man repeatedly complaining about repeating himself.....
I love the tea party where do I join ? Can we pour some into False Creek ?
 

BornRuff

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Hmmmn I just got my property assessment today , that is the basses of my property tax . How about you Born Ruff did your assessment go up or down this year ?

What exactly is your point? Are you implying that the Mayor controls property assessments?
 

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Obviously by your continuing defense of him you believe it to be Ford not just "possibly Ford"..


Nope- I’ve no idea whether or not Ford will be a suitable candidate come October and I’m not oblivious to his problems in the past, I just believe the past is the past and “tomorrow” is another day. Can Ford change enough to be suitable for re election? I have no idea. I admire the man for having the gumption to give it a try, and he seems to believe in himself and generally when a man believes in himself his chances of success are better. The electorate makes the final decision, so I really have no idea as to how it will turn out. I’m pretty sure of one thing though, many of the people bad mouthing him would fail dismally if they had to walk a mile in his shoes.
 

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Can't win, don't try. That's uplifting.

So when your child comes to you and says math is too hard, do you tell him or her to just resign themselves to failure?

No, I tell them to try harder. But it's not like I have a choice in that matter. :lol:

no free will, huh?

so who's pulling your strings then?

Depends. If you buy the quantum theory then random collapsing of wave functions. If you believe in determinism, then it was all mapped out from the start. If you are religious then God--who is omniscient--knows what you are going to do before you do, therefore you don't really have free will.

When Bill Clinton was "not having sex with Monica Lewinski", the argument was always what the leader does in his personal life should have no bearing on consideration for his office. It was and is a valid argument. Same thing should apply to Rob Ford. If he smoked crack while stealing tax dollars, he would have breached the public trust. But on his own time, well he has made his life difficult since his enemies like to skim the gutter and use everything against him, but does not affect my judgement of him as a mayor.

I agree. The people will decide and that's the way it should be. But Rob Ford is not the victim. He was the one who smoked crack and ran with gang bangers. He is very much the author of his own misfortune.
 

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Maybe Rob is a depressed drug addict, like that Peloso dude. Perhaps we should rally around him. Support him. Hug him. Bring him around. I mean, where's our compassion people.
 

SLM

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No, I tell them to try harder.

Trying is futile if everybody is incapable of change. If individuals aren't able to change and situations aren't able to be changed, then any attempt to do so is absolutely pointless.

But it's not like I have a choice in that matter. :lol:
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That reads like an excuse to me. "What I've done is not my fault, I can't help it."
 

Cannuck

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Nope- I’ve no idea whether or not Ford will be a suitable candidate come October and I’m not oblivious to his problems in the past, I just believe the past is the past and “tomorrow” is another day. Can Ford change enough to be suitable for re election? I have no idea. I admire the man for having the gumption to give it a try, and he seems to believe in himself and generally when a man believes in himself his chances of success are better. The electorate makes the final decision, so I really have no idea as to how it will turn out. I’m pretty sure of one thing though, many of the people bad mouthing him would fail dismally if they had to walk a mile in his shoes.

You should start telling the truth