Forcillo Guilty

JLM

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That is the job of the coroner and the forensics team. The coroner determined he was dead after the 3rd shot. You can clearly hear 2 sets of shots -- 3 and then 6 or so more a couple of seconds later. Those 2 volleys represent the 2 sets of charges. The first, the cop was acquitted. The second he was convicted.


Yeah, it all sounds very nice but not too convincing to someone with half a brain. I'd like to know the distance between the cop and the victim!

The law is the law. Do you think you should be charged with killing somebody who is already dead?


Yep.........................................when you are the reason he is already dead. :) :) :) :)
 

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Yeah, it all sounds very nice but not too convincing to someone with half a brain. I'd like to know the distance between the cop and the victim!

Actually, it is pretty simple and distance is irrelevant. The prosecution chose the charges. They separated the sequence of events into 2 events.

Event 1: cop fires 3 bullets into punk. Punk is killed. For this cop is charged with second degree murder (no pre-medidation but intent). Jury acquits cop of this charge.

Event 2: several seconds after event 1, with punk now dead on the floor, cop first about 6 more shots into punk's body. The charge chosen for this is attempted murder as it has a minimum sentence. For this the jury convicts.

Now if you are talking about distance, then you are talking about event 1. The jury did not feel he was unjustified in discharging his firearm. I guess if you have an issue with that, you should talk to them. For event 2 the distance from the target is irrelevant.

Yep.........................................when you are the reason he is already dead. :) :) :) :)

But he was acquitted of those charges.
 

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He was acquitted if defending himself but not the subsequent sadistic KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL part afterward. He may get a very light or even no sentence for that. One thing that sure as hell shouldn't happen, though, is that this fruit loop should NEVER be given a gun and set loose in the public with one again. He doesn't have enough of a clue
 

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He was acquitted if defending himself but not the subsequent sadistic KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL part afterward. He may get a very light or even no sentence for that. One thing that sure as hell shouldn't happen, though, is that this fruit loop should NEVER be given a gun and set loose in the public with one again. He doesn't have enough of a clue

Mandatory minimum is 4 years. Average is 13 years. Given first offense, and unlikeness to re-offend, I think it will be about 8 years although that is a guess. Cop union is fighting the minimum as well so that may change as well.
 

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But he was acquitted of those charges.


So, who did they conclude did kill the kid?

Actually, it is pretty simple and distance is irrelevant..


I'd argue that distance is very relevant- if the cop was further than 20' away from the kid I'd argue he was in little imminent danger.

He was acquitted if defending himself but not the subsequent sadistic KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL part afterward. He may get a very light or even no sentence for that. One thing that sure as hell shouldn't happen, though, is that this fruit loop should NEVER be given a gun and set loose in the public with one again. He doesn't have enough of a clue


I think if justice is even close to being meted out, he has to serve 10 years in prison at hard labour. The case looks like a sham to me!

Hey Cannuck- I think you could be a very wealthy man if you could just sell the secret of how someone so mentally bankrupt can survive for so long. You must have set a world record already. Come on - let us in on the secret! :) :) :) :)
 

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So, who did they conclude did kill the kid?

The jury concluded that the cop was not guilty of second degree murder of the punk. That is all they were asked to do. In case you are having some difficulty understanding, this is the role of juries. They take the accused as presented. The prosecution shows them why he/she should be convicted. The defense counter-argues. The jury decides whether the prosecution has proven their case beyond a reasonable doubt. This jury found the prosecution did not do that beyond a reasonable doubt. The jury is not responsible for finding alternative explanations or suspects.

I'd argue that distance is very relevant- if the cop was further than 20' away from the kid I'd argue he was in little imminent danger.

You should discuss this with the jury. They didn't see it that way.

I think if justice is even close to being meted out, he has to serve 10 years in prison at hard labour. The case looks like a sham to me!

You didn't complain when your little terrorist murderer friend Omar was released after only 6 years. Hypocrite. :):):):)
 

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You didn't complain when your little terrorist murderer friend Omar was released after only 6 years. Hypocrite. :):):):)


I might be a hypocrite (who isn't?) but 2015 - 2002 = 13 years. Moron! :) :) :) :)

You should discuss this with the jury. They didn't see it that way.


I haven't been informed yet that in Canada it is carved in stone that a citizen has to agree with a jury! Where have you been?
 

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I might be a hypocrite (who isn't?) but 2015 - 2002 = 13 years. Moron! :) :) :) :)

He was released after serving 5 years of his 8 year sentence. He may have murdered the American in 2002 but he wasn't convicted until 2010. You really aren't up on your facts too much are you?
 

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I haven't been informed yet that in Canada it is carved in stone that a citizen has to agree with a jury! Where have you been?

Aren't you the one ballyhooing about how you shouldn't take any 'facts' about anybody until you see the results in court? This was the result in court!
 

JLM

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He was released after serving 5 years of his 8 year sentence. He may have murdered the American in 2002 but he wasn't convicted until 2010. You really aren't up on your facts too much are you?


Just as good as Wikipedia I believe.


"During a firefight on July 27, 2002, in the village of Ayub Kheyl, Afghanistan, in which several Taliban fighters were killed, Khadr, not yet 16, was severely wounded.[7] After being detained at Bagram, he was sent to Guantanamo Bay detention camps, in Cuba. During his detention, he was interrogated by Canadian as well as US intelligence officers.
Khadr was the first person since World War II to be prosecuted in a military commission for war crimes committed while still a minor. His conviction and sentence were widely denounced by civil rights groups and various newspaper editorials.[8] His prosecution and imprisonment was condemned by the United Nations, which has taken up the issue of child soldiers.
On September 29, 2012, Khadr was repatriated to Canada to serve the remainder of his sentence in Canadian custody.[9] He was initially assigned to a maximum-security prison but moved to a medium-security prison in 2014. Khadr was released on bail in May, 2015"


Perhaps you can kindly inform us which streets he was free to walk from 2002 until 2010, since YOU apparently are so up on your "facts"! :)
 

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Mandatory minimum is 4 years. Average is 13 years. Given first offense, and unlikeness to re-offend, I think it will be about 8 years although that is a guess. Cop union is fighting the minimum as well so that may change as well.
cop union?I hope it has teeth,if so it would be the first union for cops to act like one.
what is the union called,would like to know more about them.
 

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The law is the law. Do you think you should be charged with killing somebody who is already dead?
182 Every one who

(a) neglects, without lawful excuse, to perform any duty that is imposed on him by law or that he undertakes with reference to the burial of a dead human body or human remains, or

(b) improperly or indecently interferes with or offers any indignity to a dead human body or human remains, whether buried or not,

is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years.
 

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I might be a hypocrite (who isn't?) but 2015 - 2002 = 13 years. Moron! :) :) :) :)




I haven't been informed yet that in Canada it is carved in stone that a citizen has to agree with a jury! Where have you been?
i did some information auditing on jury selection,placed simply jury;s should not be believed to be in receivership of correct information,or may be amongst poor design of information.
or may be picked to fall into a legal trap
Jury selection is not a process which is designed for justice in mind,actually the opposite is true, this is why one should not believe the verdict of juries?
 

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Aren't you the one ballyhooing about how you shouldn't take any 'facts' about anybody until you see the results in court? This was the result in court!


That is correct......................and at that point you can still make up your own mind! :) (I think David Milgaard might even agree with that) His Mother didn't let go of the matter.
 
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JLM

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182 Every one who

(a) neglects, without lawful excuse, to perform any duty that is imposed on him by law or that he undertakes with reference to the burial of a dead human body or human remains, or

(b) improperly or indecently interferes with or offers any indignity to a dead human body or human remains, whether buried or not,

is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years.


Good points, Petros, never thought of that! :)

i did some information auditing on jury selection,placed simply jury;s should not be believed to be in receivership of correct information,or may be amongst poor design of information.
or may be picked to fall into a legal trap
Jury selection is not a process which is designed for justice in mind,actually the opposite is true, this is why one should not believe the verdict of juries?


I'm inclined to agree with you, in fact I would even say common sense would lead to that conclusion!
 

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Forcillo will not serve time. Verdict will be overturned on appeal.