Ferry crews warned against smoking pot

flutterby

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having a beer with lunch is probably grounds for firing in most jobs, especially if they're drinking in the lunch room.
 

gerryh

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So? Did it affect his performance on the job? Did he drink to excess?


Doesn't matter.... this was a machine shop. He operated a lathe. I sure as hell was not going to wait and find out IF it put him or anyone else in danger, and I doubt WCB would have thought to highly of that type of "experiment".


It's the same with someone working on board a ship and being under the influence of drugs or alcohol. It is an accident waiting to happen and in the case of the BC Ferries, it's not just the workers life, it could be everyone on board.
 

lone wolf

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I agree. There is a time and a place and when you're on the job, it isn't either.

Drug testing for someone in a position where their decisions aren't life and death isn't really fair though because marijuana remains in urine samples for up to 48 hours, and in the blood for four weeks. If they happen to be driving the boat, they should be subject to the same regulations as aircrew.

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s243a

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having a beer with lunch is probably grounds for firing in most jobs, especially if they're drinking in the lunch room.

I'd say at the lunch room probably wouldn't set the right work environment but if your at a restaurant I don't see much wrong with a glass of wine with the meal.
 

s243a

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Doesn't matter.... this was a machine shop. He operated a lathe. I sure as hell was not going to wait and find out IF it put him or anyone else in danger, and I doubt WCB would have thought to highly of that type of "experiment".


It's the same with someone working on board a ship and being under the influence of drugs or alcohol. It is an accident waiting to happen and in the case of the BC Ferries, it's not just the workers life, it could be everyone on board.

Well, if you run a machine shop I respect your decision but I'm not sure if it was one glass at a restaurant I'm not sure I agree with it. Perhaps for faerie workers urine works urine tests would be okay. I think blood tests are too much an evasion of privacy though.
 

Walter

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if it affects their job performance, then i agree with the testing. but to randomly check if employees are doing something illegal on their off time isn't right. should they also check for other illegal activities?
How many ferries have to sink before some people realize that pot use does affect job performance?
 

Locutus

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So? Did it affect his performance on the job? Did he drink to excess?

Employers don't pay you to drink or toke. Simple as that. Do it on your own time.

Why you'd even have to warn someone not to toke and work is beyond me. Fire all of them if it's a concern. There are plenty of people looking for work.
 

Unforgiven

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On the job you should be yourself and in full control of your faculties. There are many many executives that I've had lunch with who have a drink or two. Though they don't have to drive or sit in charge of heavy machinery or pay close attention to something that could put peoples lives in jeopardy.

The legal limit in Canada is .08 which means that someone like myself can have a couple of pints of Guinness at lunch and still legally drive a car. So I would suspect that someone getting fired for having a beer at lunch would in the absence of wrongful doing or dangerous action would have a wrongful dismissal application to bring.

If you want to look at the reasons that factor in on any incident, don't stop investigating the moment you hear the word pot. More often than not, there are other and sometimes much worse abuses involved that are being shunted to the shadows in order to use tragedy to support an agenda.
 

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On the job you should be yourself and in full control of your faculties. There are many many executives that I've had lunch with who have a drink or two. Though they don't have to drive or sit in charge of heavy machinery or pay close attention to something that could put peoples lives in jeopardy.

The legal limit in Canada is .08 which means that someone like myself can have a couple of pints of Guinness at lunch and still legally drive a car. So I would suspect that someone getting fired for having a beer at lunch would in the absence of wrongful doing or dangerous action would have a wrongful dismissal application to bring.

If you want to look at the reasons that factor in on any incident, don't stop investigating the moment you hear the word pot. More often than not, there are other and sometimes much worse abuses involved that are being shunted to the shadows in order to use tragedy to support an agenda.



Christ, let's all hope you're not a bus driver, pilot, surgeon, train engineer or the like.

Yeah, it would be great to be served by, flown by or operated on (drink for lunch types) by some schmuck with alcohol on their breath.

Impairment is very relative; so is abiding by your employer's standards and societal trust. Inspires real confidence.
 

Unforgiven

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Christ, let's all hope you're not a bus driver, pilot, surgeon, train engineer or the like.

Yeah, it would be great to be served by, flown by or operated on (drink for lunch types) by some schmuck with alcohol on their breath.

Impairment is very relative; so is abiding by your employer's standards and societal trust. Inspires real confidence.

Well you are and you're still here whining about everything aren't you. While there will always be people who want everyone other than themselves to live up to some exaggerated level of moral obedience, the fact remains that people drink and smoke pot, take prescription drugs and legal stimulants to excess and provide a high level of job performance each and every day.

I'm sure Locutus here would be at the head of the whine line should he have to suffer the long wait times to provide service of any kind by people who are not under the influence of any mood altering chemical.

Perhaps someone with more patients than I could explain the meaning of having your cake and eating it too, to poor Locutus.
 

Locutus

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Well you are and you're still here whining about everything aren't you. While there will always be people who want everyone other than themselves to live up to some exaggerated level of moral obedience, the fact remains that people drink and smoke pot, take prescription drugs and legal stimulants to excess and provide a high level of job performance each and every day.

I'm sure Locutus here would be at the head of the whine line should he have to suffer the long wait times to provide service of any kind by people who are not under the influence of any mood altering chemical.

Perhaps someone with more patients than I could explain the meaning of having your cake and eating it too, to poor Locutus.

That has nothing to do with the safety and employment implications referred to. I could care less whether you smoke pot or drink on your own time.
 

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having a beer with lunch is probably grounds for firing in most jobs, especially if they're drinking in the lunch room.

I work for a large canadian telcom company and alcohol at lunch is allowed. Obviously, intoxication is not tolerated, but I have had beer on lunch countless times.
 

Unforgiven

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That has nothing to do with the safety and employment implications referred to. I could care less whether you smoke pot or drink on your own time.

Clearly it does and points directly to the hypocrisy in your previous post.