Federal Court rules in favour of U.S. war resister

petros

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You do have a valid point. But the USA has never hesitated to grant asylum to people for the same reason. I mentioned a long time ago that a friend of mine has a wife who defected from Israel's army and she was readily granted asylum. Therefore if the USA does it for others, then it shouldn't offend anyone when it is done to those who run form the USA military and its wars.
Hey hey hey. Don't be bringing logic and reality into this, this outrage!

then refuse your orders, and take your medicine..
Why is there medicine for doing what is right? Who is taking the medicine for the real ills of what is wrong?
 

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He/they did more than one round before heading to Canada. If he wasn't upto to soldiering, He would have came straight here before being deployed to A-Stan or Iraq more than once.

He was outspoken about what happened.

But by requiring him to take it to the ICJ first, then we're at least giving the US a chance to defend itself against his accusations. If it fails to prove conclusively that he'd never been asked to commit war crimes, then we give him assylum. At least then the US saves face in that he has failed to prove conclusively that it did ask him to do so, and he gets assylum if it fails to prove it didn/t each has a right to defend their claim.
 

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He probably should have thought a little more about what is expected of a soldier before he joined the army.

Seeing and being ordered to commit war crimes probably came as a surprise. But some young people are naive. Volunteering to serve your country shouldn't turn anyone into an underpaid mercenary fighting for big oil interests. Any soldier who figured that out is welcome to Canada IMO.

Difference between the Vietnam War and when they volunteer. Agree????????????????

Volunteering or conscription to serve your country has limitations, since just following orders has never been an excuse for committing war crimes or crimes against humanity. If this soldier has witnessed or been ordered to violate the Laws of War ( Laws of war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ), then he can reasonably refuse to continue to serve especially when their country is not threatened and acting illegally.

16 September 2004
The United Nations secretary general, Kofi Annan, declared explicitly for the first time last night that the US-led war on Iraq was illegal.
Mr Annan said that the invasion was not sanctioned by the UN security council or in accordance with the UN's founding charter. In an interview with the BBC World Service broadcast last night, he was asked outright if the war was illegal. He replied: "Yes, if you wish."
He then added unequivocally: "I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN charter. From our point of view and from the charter point of view it was illegal."
Iraq war was illegal and breached UN charter, says Annan | World news | The Guardian

American soldiers swear an oath to support and defend the constitution from enemies, not help big oil companies plunder a nation's oil wealth.

U.S. Armed Forces Oath of Enlistment

Canadian soldiers swear this oath:
“I, ……………….., do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada, Her Heirs and Successors. So help me God
Letter To Oath Keepers of Canada- Canada's Military Oath of Allegience & The Queen's Oath- The Truth Will Shock You | The "OLD" Owen Sound Free Press

Which is kind of bizarre since Canada's sovereign swears this coronation oath:
Canadian Oath of Allegiance

War is hell, but I doubt any soldier were ready for the nightmare of Iraq or Afghanistan. I know one guy in this town who is in the reserve. The only reason he puts on a uniform is because he says he has women crawling all over him. If he was put into active duty he would crap his pants. I think a lot of people who went over there to kill brown people were severely disillusioned with the reality of it all. After all, Hollyweird makes it out to be so romantic and patriotic to wear a uniform. I have no qualms about deserters , as you may have noticed. I council anybody contemplating the military life to forget it.

If someone is required to commit war crimes, crimes against humanity in support of plundering the resources of another country for crappy pay... then I'd agree. But if they truly serve and protect their country, then I'd disagree.

Once again, if you have an ethical problem with what is going on, if you believe your orders are un lawful or so unethical you are unable to carry them out, then refuse your orders, and take your medicine.

That would earn them my respect.

Deserting and running to Canada earns my scorn.

And it is not even that difficult. The average resister in the USA is punished with considerably LESS than a year in jail, and a dishonourable discharge.

They don't shoot them any more.

How would you know if they did?
AP: New details on Tillman's death - USATODAY.com

Why would someone burn Tillman's uniform and his body armor? I have no idea who killed Tillman or why... but the evidence suggests murder.

If one soldier was going to squeal on anothers war crimes, three bullets to the head is a possible outcome.
 

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But by requiring him to take it to the ICJ first, then we're at least giving the US a chance to defend itself against his accusations. If it fails to prove conclusively that he'd never been asked to commit war crimes, then we give him assylum. At least then the US saves face in that he has failed to prove conclusively that it did ask him to do so, and he gets assylum if it fails to prove it didn/t each has a right to defend their claim.
If you want to fund his lawyer, go right ahead. You can't just walk in there without having legal back-up.

AP: New details on Tillman's death - USATODAY.com

Why would someone burn Tillman's uniform and his body armor? I have no idea who killed Tillman or why... but the evidence suggests murder.
If one soldier was going to squeal on anothers war crimes, three bullets to the head is a possible outcome.
Good example.
 

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Hey if you want to have another leech on your system let him stay. How much have these deserters cost Canada thus far?

No matter. For the most part they seem to all come back one day to face the music.

Keep them all.
 

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Hey if you want to have another leech on your system let him stay. How much have these deserters cost Canada thus far?

No matter. For the most part they seem to all come back one day to face the music.

Keep them all.
There are oodles of them who stationed themselves in Canada. It's how BC got into the weed business.
 

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There are oodles of them who stationed themselves in Canada. It's how BC got into the weed business.

Oh I think the weed biz was doing quite ok before. From what I hear you guys up there really know that biz.

What is the count these days of deserters up there? Not the draft dodgers from the Vietnam Era but the deserters from the Iraq-Afghan Era.
 

petros

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Oh I think the weed biz was doing quite ok before. From what I hear you guys up there really know that biz.

What is the count these days of deserters up there? Not the draft dodgers from the Vietnam Era but the deserters from the Iraq-Afghan Era.
It was the Vietnam Era draft dodgers that started the BC weed industry.

Good question.
 

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It can't be many.

Draft dodgers brought weed to Canada? What pioneers!
Between 30 and forty.

We have sent several back to you for their slap on the wrist.

Were I running the country, the rest would find themselves on a bus to the USA pretty quickly.
 

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I just checked. About 200 the article said.

Well until then they will be a drain on the hard working Canadians.

Your choice I guess. When ya'll get bored with it send em' all home! YEEE HA!
 

petros

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It can't be many.

Draft dodgers brought weed to Canada? What pioneers!
Sure did. Good seed from Thailand. They call it Oregon Pine these days and commercially it's Romulan.


It led to hundreds of other breeds when crossed with Hindu weed in the late 70's/early 80s.

 

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Well they should be to keep the Mexicans out.

lol. Just a hunch... picking fruit will be beneath them. Why should they pick fruit when Canadians are supporting them as it is?

They went to Canada to desert... not pick fruit.

We have sent several back to you for their slap on the wrist.

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Actually... they're pretty much screwed when they get back. A Dishonorable Discharge is harsh. More harsh than the prison time IMO. Try getting a job with a Dishonorable Discharge.
 

petros

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Cash money is cash money. The $700 a month welfare pays rent if lucky and that's about it.

Actually... they're pretty much screwed when they get back. A Dishonorable Discharge is harsh. More harsh than the prison time IMO. Try getting a job with a Dishonorable Discharge.
Equal to a felony in Civil Courts. No job, no credit, no vote.

Sure did. Good seed from Thailand. They call it Oregon Pine these days and commercially it's Romulan.


It led to hundreds of other breeds when crossed with Hindu weed in the late 70's/early 80s.


More....

Federation purchased Romulan as a complete strain in 1996in an attempt to rescue it from extinction. In the 1970s, this variety was brought from Califronia to British Columbia by a Vietnam veteran, where it was grown on Vancouver Island. This variety was nicknamed Romulan after people joked that the high "could dent your head," producing ridges like those of Star Trek's warrior-like race with the same name.

Federation acquired Romulan in the form of clones, so she was entirely female. After crossing it with a Cannabis Cup prize winner, a White Rhino male, breeders ar Federation backcrossed 11 times to stabilize the variety at a 97 percent pure Romulan hybrid. Selections at each backcross favored the biggest, most robust plants over the fastest, although the finishing time remains around a very acceptable 8 weeks. Romulan seeds are now homogenous and have an improved robustness and yield as a result.

This
purple-stemmed plant branches extensively and is less appropriate for a sea of green garden than a set-up which takes advantage of the multiple branching and budding sites. A completely indica plant, Romulan is short and bushy with dark green leaves and thick buds. While still a moderate producer, Romulan has not lost its head-denting capabilities, and claims the title of Federation's most potent strain. Outdoors, this plant will yield about a half-pound of tight nuggets per fully grown plant. Drier climates are more favorable since the buds, being both thick and dense, have some susceptibility to mold.

Romulan is alien pot with potent effects. Couch lock is likely an dconcentration may be difficult to maintain. Medically, this weed has shown excellent results for chronic pain.In addition to its ongoing popularity in BC, Romulan has developed a devoted fan base in Texas.
 

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Cash money is cash money. The $700 a month welfare pays rent if lucky and that's about it.

Equal to a felony in Civil Courts. No job, no credit, no vote.


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Wow... $700 a month! That's all people on welfare get up there!? That would be considered barbaric here.

I was going to update my post but you covered it. A Dishonorable Discharge from the US Military is equal to a felony conviction as you say. No vote, loss of all military benefits, a high risk for any bank loan, no chance for a federal, state, or municipal job... no firearms permit, and private jobs of any quality are pretty much shut down.

Weed... but he was a Vietnam Vet... not a draft dodger according to the article. I was wondering how a draft dodger got seeds from Thailand. Unless he was a deserter of course.