Private abortion clinic = privatized health care.
Private MRI clinic = privatized health care.
I know you have trouble understanding, so I used small words.
Famous Abortionist given Order of Canada!
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Private abortion clinic = privatized health care.
Private MRI clinic = privatized health care.
I know you have trouble understanding, so I used small words.
I think that's the single biggest problem with the method. You have to abstain on the very days you're biologically programmed to want to have sex the most.:lol:
I think the difference is you don't have any public hospitals refusing to do MRIs for moral or security reasons.
No Christian Churches grounded in scripture, eccliastical orthodoxy and faithful to the Nicean Creed, which is the definition of Christianity.. accepts anything but that a conception conceives a fully formed human being.. in genetic totality, in the divine bequest of life with all its rights and obligations, and in God's imagination of his/her full human potential, identity and destiny. No legal statutes, public opinion polls will ever change that. There are a few churches that have become new age covens now, the United Church, the Anglicans, that accept those modern opinions as scripture and accept abortion, homosexuality and whatever else as necessary and natural.. but they are really no longer Christian.
Certainly many nominal Christians now consider God little more traditional convenience recognized at baptisms, marriages and funerals and that if Anyone really is out there he has little to do with their lives or responsibilities. Those aren't the beliefs that built our civilization.. and who knows, maybe we really are dealing with nothing but a Cosmic Muffin after all. But if you give up the moral code of Christianity that built our civilization, then you are dooming it to the tender mercies of the blood cultists of abortion that now rule our politics.. and that is likely to produce a world that is not merciful or tender but utterly savage, as savage as the injuries inflicted on those unborn fetuses
Certainly many nominal Christians now consider God little more traditional convenience recognized at baptisms, marriages and funerals and that if Anyone really is out there he has little to do with their lives or responsibilities. Those aren't the beliefs that built our civilization.. and who knows, maybe we really are dealing with nothing but a Cosmic Muffin after all. But if you give up the moral code of Christianity that built our civilization, then you are dooming it to the tender mercies of the blood cultists of abortion that now rule our politics.. and that is likely to produce a world that is not merciful or tender but utterly savage, as savage as the injuries inflicted on those unborn fetuses
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Me thinks you're stretching things just a bit, but certainly anyone who believes in 'Christianity' lock, stock, and barrel certainly isn't going to be deterred by that.
But we have a lot of them refusing to do MRIs because they don't have the equipment or the techs to run the machines.
I can't see why people are demanding that the province MUST fund one medically necessary procedure (abortion) in a private clinic (even though it is available in a hospital, albeit with a longer wait time), while at the same time demanding that we REFUSE to fund another medically necessary procedure (MRI) in a private clinic (even though it is available in a hospital, albeit with a longer wait time). Not even funding, some people want private MRI clinics to be illegal completely.
And don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-abortion, I just want to understand what the rules for private health care clinics should be, because I know some people who'd be happy to buy an MRI and open a clinic tomorrow.
One thing I have an issue with is that there are so many schisms of Christianity now, that it's easy to pick and choose which one suits an argument, thereby still saying it's wrong or right in God's view.... once again, depending on which sect you decide to use in a paticular argument.
That alone is why I no longer follow Christianity, let alone believe Christiantiy should be implimented into government and personal affairs of everyday life, esspecially in regards to those people who do not follow any level of Christianity.
Yeah... um.... totally unfounded and blowing thnigs out of perspective through fear mongering.
Christianity didn't build our civilization... civilization has been in development long before Christianity was even a brain fart. Christianity, along with many other religions are all a part of what brought our civilizations to where they currently are..... they are not the root cause of it. Civilizations sometimes form Religions for order and collective explination of similar minds..... but religion doesn't create civilizations. Heck, most of the characteristics of Christianity came from Greek Mythology (Angels, Halos, God(s) in the clouds, bad guy deep underground in an evil place, etc.)
Good Morality is also not exclusive to Christianity and Christianity sure as hell didn't create it. People have been doing good deeds and taking care of others long before Christianity and many other religions. Being good to one another and treating others with respect isn't a magical thing that occured once Christianity came into the spot light, it's tied directly into our core being as humans..... as living creatures of this planet..... even animals express care and kindness to one another. It's a trait of survival for many.
I didn't give up on the moral code of Christianity, Christianity gave up on that code long ago when they burned people at the stake, drowned, hung or otherwise killed people for being "Witches" or followers of the devil...... forcing people to follow the religion all around the world, etc etc.
Christianity was supposed to be spread by word and those interested would flock to join..... not to go around the world in search of "Savages" and force them to follow the religion..... and certainly not used for changing laws and rules to apply to everyone, even those who don't follow it.
Christianity sure as hell ain't a perfect and pure religion to follow and sure as heck ain't innocent of it's past crimes against humanity. For Christians to point their fingers and continually dictate to others on how to live their lives, is pretty hypocritical considdering the past centuries of torture, suffering and mass murders of people they felt were wrong in their beliefs or ways of life.
And in saying all of that.... the whole world isn't Christian..... much of it never was christian..... ever. Many people in this country do not follow Christianity, Islam, or any other religion..... and many of the other religions they may follow, do not line up directly to the Christian life...... so where do you get the right to dictate how everybody should live based on your own religious views?
Simple answer: You Don't. Nobody does.
So the availability for abortions should remain the way it currently is, and the rights to choose left to the individuals..... they alone can decide if they want an abortion, based on their own religious views, morals or personal circumstances in their lives...... No one else.
You can cite the Bible and relgion all you wish, but it's irrelevent to everybody else who doesn't believe or follow the religion.
And since I used to believe and follow the religion, I think I can safely say that it is wrong in many aspects, including this topic.
Christianity..... the original Christianity.... wasn't supposed to be a forced issue for people to join, or else..... it was supposed to be peaceful..... you don't bring the word to others, you let others come to the word..... somehow that got lost amongst the witch burnings and chastity belts.
You wanting to force others to live their lives in a paticular fashion through laws, based on your personal religious beliefs directly contradicts Christianity itself. People are supposed to make their own choices and mistakes.... it is not your or anybody else's place to judge.... that is for God himself to do. Therefore the choice of abortion should remain legal so that others can make the right decisions themselves..... not you or anybody else who the decision doesn't relate to or involve.
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Morgentoler has helped thousands of desperate women……. The man is a hero!
He bucked the system and followed his beliefs.
A man deserving.
IMPHO.
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Good one, Scratch;
There always has been and will be ignorant dickheads, who for some reason, insist you are wrong and they are right. Usually connected, but not necissisarily, with religion.
They are the ones you see bombing abortion clinics, killing doctors, and patients, without any regard to their humanity - It's just that they are DIFFERENT from them. They don't believe the SAME THINGS, and therefore it's ok to kill them.
We have some of this strident bullsh1t in a microcosmic form right here. Abortion is bad. Morgentaler is a killer; on and on!! Wouldn't have something to do with the fact that he is Jewish.............nah........
FREEDOM to have an abortion or not. We have it. It's the law. Suck it up!!
Even borderline morons are allowed to have children, as witnessed by the number of people who want to demonize women who believe in control over their own body. We don't practice
eugenics in Canada.
I wouldn't have given him the order of Canada even though by now I think everyone in Canada has one, it's become meaningless.:roll:
Sucking babies out and killing them isn't honorable.
Sucking babies out and killing them isn't honorable.
You were a thought in someone's mind when this began.
I was there.
I agreed.
All due respect to you.
Leave it be.
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You have to be extremely naive if you don't know why wait times for an abortion are not acceptable compared to wait times for an MRI. If you have to wait for an abortion, you may not be able to get one.
If you have to wait for an MRI, you might not be able to get anything beyond a casket. Don't get me wrong, im against private clinics of all kinds and I can think of better ways to bring private money into the health care.
People make a big deal out of wait times for tests, but if your case may be life threatenning you don't wait like someone waiting to get one on their knee. An abortion is a clear area where 6 weeks of waiting time is a real problem, not just an inconvenience.
No, its the definition of Christianity according to a bunch of nobility looking to build a Christian Empire. Hence its later changing at the behest of Constantine to cement the power of the Roman Emporer to define christianity as only one church, surprise surprise, headed by Emporer. This split apart into various "pope-doms"
Theodosis I threatening executions is the only reason the "Trinity" was accepted by all, with non-trinity views lasting in many areas up until the 8th century.