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Thanks for bringing this thread back up. One of these days humanity will understand that life is a gift from God.
Famous Abortionist given Order of Canada!
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Thanks for bringing this thread back up. One of these days humanity will understand that life is a gift from God.
Good on him..... he deserved it. It wasn't an award given to him simply because of getting abortion passed.... it was in regards to woman's rights and freedoms to decide for themselves what happens to their bodies and futures, for whatever reasons they maybe and for the known risks to his own life it would seem for fighting for those rights.
It is simply not your decision, my decision or anybody else's decision to make other then the people directly involved in the decision. It was all about giving women their rights to choose what happens to their bodies.
Whether or not someone wants to get back into the old debate on the decision for the fetus..... look back on the numerous pages of this thread for those comments, cuz I sure as hell ain't about to repeat it all again.
The fetus has no rights.... that's how it is... the living mother does.
There should be a class action suit against Playboy and Kotex for being enablers. :lol:
Seriously,
"Viva la Liberte Libre"
I'm happy Canada is still a 'free' country. People deluded and under the control of religion are welcome here only if they respect the freedoms that all citizens of our country enjoy. Hundreds of thousands died for our right to choose.
Choose choice. Live free.
Then any woman who has used the birth control pill has probably murdered several infants. The number would be in the millions each year world wide.
Birth control that destroys a concieved fetus (such as RU-486, the 'morning after pill', which prevents the fertalized egg from being released from the ovary or attaching to the uterine wall), discrete from those that prevent conception (a contraceptive).. IS an abortion, with all of its moral implications. And yes there are millions ever year, in the hundreds of millions world wide in the last 20 years.
In North America perhaps 40 million infants have been murdered since the early 1970's. Young people under 35 live in a time where as many as a third of their generation are already dead of homicide, a death rate completely unprecedented at any time in history except perhaps contained incidents like the Black Plague.
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Contraceptives don't all prevent conception, they just prevent pregnancy and a fertilized egg isn't yet a fetus (it becomes a fetus at 8 weeks, until then it's an embryo).
Look up the mechanism of action for birth control pills. They can prevent fertilization (aka CONCEPTION), but they also prevent fertilized eggs from implanting just like the morning after pill does. The morning after pill is in fact simply a higher dose of the regular birth control pill. If you truly believe life begins at conception, then birth control pills murder infants. Considering the HUGE number of women that use them, they probably cause more infant murders than any of the more controversial methods. I have a friend who holds this belief, so she won't use the pill.
BTW- RU486 isn't the morning after pill. It's a medical abortion drug used up to 5 weeks of pregnancy.
I don't care what the drug companies come up to obfuscate the fact that life begins at conception. Contraception by its root word definition preventing conception. Abortion destroys a fertalized egg or fetus, which contains all the fundamental genetic elements of their adult form, all of their human potential . What ever means are used, birth control pills or suction pump or surgical forceps, all of these ARE abortions, ... however much you want to mince words and definitions.
As to the original topic, i think the Order of Canada has now been hopelessly compromised and politicized by Bev McLachlin's agency in this matter. Instead of being a symbol of unity, it is now a symbol of division, and the refusal by potential enlistees from this point forward is something that a lot of people will admire.
I'm not trying to mince words, I'm trying to point out that it's hypocritical to only focus on surgical abortions if you believe life begins at conception. Morgentallers type of abortion represents a tiny fraction of the number of abortions if you believe life begins at conception. Plain old birth control pills kill many more babies every year, but everyone ignores it. If life begins at conception, the only methods that are acceptable would be spermicides, condoms, sponges, diaphragms, caps... basically the non-hormonal methods.
You're blaming the Supreme Court for the Order of Canada now?
I think you're desperate. You should be blaming Stephen Harper. After all, he's PM.
May I add abstinence and the rhythm method? The latter has been very effective during my fertile days!;-);-)
By all means
. That method takes dedication, education and a woman with a naturally consistent cycle. It would never be my choice, but I'm glad there are so many options out there to meet everyone's individual needs.
No, I think you misunderstood.
The way I see it, and it was actually pointed out already on page one, this award is crooked, because Mr. M. argued for the women's right of freedom of choice, BUT at the same time he himself provided the means and pocketed the profits. One could say he was a "freedom of choice crusader" with a business interest. That's the stigma that taints and cheapens the Order of Canada award - past, present and future. Morgentaler himself may never have imagined this controversial aspect of his crusade.
Well yes, he is a businessman. All the blather about freedom for women is rationalization. He's simply a businessman operating a chain of clinics providing a for-profit service.
Now, of course, the same people who want, for example, the NB government to pay for abortions in his clinic would be the first people to scream if my doctor opened up a private MRI clinic and expected the gov't to pay for it.
Now, of course, the same people who want, for example, the NB government to pay for abortions in his clinic would be the first people to scream if my doctor opened up a private MRI clinic and expected the gov't to pay for it.
He provided a service for which not many Doctors were willing to do at the time, Loon. Are you saying he should have provided this for free?
It does take consistent dedication, and awareness of one's fertile days, about five during a full cycle. During those days hubby has to sleep in the doghouse!:lol::lol:By all means
No, you say life begins then.... many others do not, including the legal system.
Well if that's the case, we should publically execute all the women who get historectomies, since they're removing any chance of those eggs ever developing into humans...... they just killed off all their chances of having offspring of their genetics, and killing that many potiential lives through this method and are all of one typical genetic makeup is genocide by that mentality.
Quite honestly.... who gives a rats ass? What you want to happen is an impossibility. Way too many people in the world don't see this as a big issue, including some christians...... try controling this aspect of people's personal lives and you're going to have a harder time then the governments did with prohibition.
Regardless of what or how you think of this situation, it's not your decision to make for others. You make your own decisions and if you like, you can feel free to express those views to others and perhaps change their minds..... but you have no right to dictate to other people things that can not be dictated..... you can not tell us something is fact that can not be proven.
Tell you what..... how about you take on all those unwanted pregnancies and eggs that will never have a chance, pop each on out every 9 months or so, take care of them all, and then I might take you seriously.
Face it.... it'll never happen. You may value some chunk of brainless cells as a living, breathing human being, but many others do not.... you're not going to convince those people, so the only logical option is to allow everybody to make their own choices.
You want to save all your future babies and eggs, go right ahead..... that's your choice...... but don't go prancing around telling people what's right and wrong based on some unfounded and illogical religious beliefs.
Well if I ever get the order of Canada for my loud mouth, I'll accept it with pride. He was awarded it simply because he fought at the risk of his health, life and career for the rights of women accross Canada, regardless if you think those rights are wrong...... in that respect, he diserves it.
He fought for rights and freedoms for a certain part of the population that never had many for a long period of time. He opened those freedoms and rights for women to decide what happens to them directly, not by religious burocracies bound by their foolish close minded morals.
What about the rights of the unborn?
Once again, who gives a rats ass? They're unborn, they have no rights, and in my view, as explained many many times, over and over in various threads, a fetus is not a living, breathing, concious human being.
There are a lot more important things in the world to solve then to figure out what a chunk of twitching meat may or may not want, which nobody can prove one way or another is alive in the sense that diserves rights..... A tree frog has more characteristics of human life then fetuses.
That's no different from a situation where Harper decides to cut all art funding completely and then I go and try and fight it..... by that mentality, I wouldn't be any different because I would be fighting for my career and having a means of income..... AKA: profit.
It doesn't matter what his profession was or his intentions, he had background experience and education in this field, he didn't feel there was a need for the protection of something that wasn't even a registered human, he felt women should be able to make their own decisions on how their lives will unfold over some burocracy, he fought for the rights and freedoms for them to make those decisions..... regardless of motive, that's what was done and the outcome, based on the risks he went through to fight for what he believed in should be acknowleged, whether you agree with what he fought for or not.
In a nutshell explination, he fought for more rights for individuals over the government and court systems..... he therefore should be rewarded for this.
^ But I guess that doesn't work for some people, because it removes the justification for their anger.