I know, and I acknowleged that at the begining.... The common sense remark at the end wasn't directly aimed at you, but in addition to my scenario explained above it to whoever was reading it.
Famous Abortionist given Order of Canada!
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I know, and I acknowleged that at the begining.... The common sense remark at the end wasn't directly aimed at you, but in addition to my scenario explained above it to whoever was reading it.
This is no exception.!!! Give the child to another, to love and care for, there are millions of people who would welcome the chance to have a child .
If a fetus is a person then why should raped women be allowed abortions? Not the baby/fetus fault.
If you think a fetus is a person, but you ok a woman who was brutally raped to have an abortion your saying its ok to murder a baby if their father is a bad man. Raped women should be FORCED to carry their rapists child to term if the fetus is a person.
The other option,
A fetus isn't a person anymore than sperm or an egg is a person. In which case its none of your business what a woman does to her own fetus.
There are plenty of exceptions depending on who you are, and last I checked, this is a some-what free society, where we are allowed to make decisions for ourselves.
Tell you what, you go and get raped, deal with all the mental issues that come with that in which I have heard plenty from many women I knew through the years, carry that bastard child for 9 months in which you never wanted in the first place, miss out on work and pay, deal with the physical and mental pain, give it up for adoption, then wait a few years for that child to come knocking at your door to bring back all those memories when he/she looks and sounds much like the same bastard who took away your life you once had......
..... and if you can hack that, you might hold a position to tell us there's no exceptions. Until then, you're farting from your mouth.
Before I respond any further: Related News:
B.C. priest returning Order of Canada over Morgentaler
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/07/03/priest-order-canada.html
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How angelic of him.
The best way for the BC Priest to protest is to go and f him self. Who is he to protest with his f metal? The Church for many years have been harboring closet perverts who call them self’s brothers of priest hood while sexually abusing young men. The church should shut the f uck up they are morally bank robed, they do not have the proper massage from god in their mouths, they pretend they do. many of the priests are sexual predators hiding in a black robe.
LOL! Its his metal to do what he wants with it. And he has every right to protest. Haven't you heard of freedom of speach? As for your other comments, you are off topic.
I suppose you are correct, freedom of speech works today,
Hey Risus, What is black and white and sticks to a young mans ass (A PRIEST)
I understand all of what you have said Praxius ,and if put in the same position myself through what ever means, war atrocities, rape, and such like ,i can understand the mental anguish suffered by these unfortunate women, and how it could indeed cause they themselves to commit suicide, my feelings that murder is wrong, no mater what has occurred are my principal reasons for this attitude ,complicated issues such as these will understanderbly cause knock on effects, but still i my self can not condone murder, even capital punishment for heinous crimes, that is just they way i think no one has the right to take a life no matter what, there is to much death in this world would you condemn me for not wanting any more if they could be prevented.
That's always bothered me. Though it bothers me more this time around because of all this framing that has taken place. What bothers me is, if all life is to be valued as the slogan goes, why does that innocent child's life suddenly become expendable? The child is still innocent isn't it?
If aborting a child arising from rape is allowable, then I think perhaps other circumstances must also apply, because we know all life isn't valued if we think rape victims should get a free pass. Like the pregnancies that people don't intend even though they took precaution against it, much like the raped mother.
Why should the raped mother be allowed the freedom to choose how to best handle that, and other mothers not? That's what this all boils down to. People trying to dictate who gets liberty of choice, and who doesn't.
That, is why Morgentaler is being recognized. He seemed to have this notion that women should be free to determine that which is most intimately their own choice to make. Not once have I ever heard of any anti-abortion rights activist who even attempts to understand this puzzling paradox, because in my opinion, they suffer from tunnel-vision.
Something else Mr. Morgentaler, although a doctor, apparently did not consider in his concern for women.
Physical Consequences after abortion
DEATH: According to the best record based study of deaths following pregnancy and abortion, a 1997 government funded study in Finland, women who abort are approximately four times more likely to die in the following year than women who carry their pregnancies to term. In addition, women who carry to term are only half as likely to die as women who were not pregnant.(16)
The Finland researchers found that compared to women who carried to term, women who aborted in the year prior to their deaths were 60 percent more likely to die of natural causes, seven times more likely to die of suicide, four times more likely to die of injuries related to accidents, and 14 times more likely to die from homicide. Researchers believe the higher rate of deaths related to accidents and homicide may be linked to higher rates of suicidal or risk-taking behavior.(16)
The leading causes of abortion related maternal deaths within a week of the surgery are hemorrhage, infection, embolism, anesthesia, and undiagnosed ectopic pregnancies. Legal abortion is reported as the fifth leading cause of maternal death in the United States, though in fact it is recognized that most abortion related deaths are not officially reported as such.(2)
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BREAST CANCER:
There is strong evidence that abortion increases the risk of breast cancer. A study of more than 1,800 women appearing in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute in 1994 found that overall, women having abortions increased their risk of getting breast cancer before age 45 by 50%. For women under 18 with no previous pregnancies, having an abortion after the 8th week increased the risk of breast cancer 800%. Women with a family history of breast cancer fared even worse. All 12 women participating in the study who had abortions before 18 and had a family history of breast cancer themselves got cancer before age 45.
The risk of breast cancer almost doubles after one abortion, and rises even further with two or more abortions.(3)
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CERVICAL, OVARIAN, AND LIVER CANCER:
Women with one abortion face a 2.3 relative risk of cervical cancer, compared to non-aborted women, and women with two or more abortions face a 4.92 relative risk. Similar elevated risks of ovarian and liver cancer have also been linked to single and multiple abortions. These increased cancer rates for post-aborted women are apparently linked to the unnatural disruption of the hormonal changes which accompany pregnancy and untreated cervical damage.(4)
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UTERINE PERFORATION:
Between 2 and 3% of all abortion patients may suffer perforation of their uterus, yet most of these injuries will remain undiagnosed and untreated unless laparoscopic visualization is performed.(5) Such an examination may be useful when beginning an abortion malpractice suit. The risk of uterine perforation is increased for women who have previously given birth and for those who receive general anesthesia at the time of the abortion.(6) Uterine damage may result in complications in later pregnancies and may eventually evolve into problems which require a hysterectomy, which itself may result in a number of additional complications and injuries including osteoporosis.
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CERVICAL LACERATIONS:
Significant cervical lacerations requiring sutures occur in at least one percent of first trimester abortions. Lesser lacerations, or micro fractures, which would normally not be treated may also result in long term reproductive damage. Latent post-abortion cervical damage may result in subsequent cervical incompetence, premature delivery, and complications of labor. The risk of cervical damage is greater for teenagers, for second trimester abortions, and when practitioners fail to use laminaria for dilation of the cervix.(7)
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PLACENTA PREVIA:
Abortion increases the risk of placenta previa in later pregnancies (a life threatening condition for both the mother and her wanted pregnancy) by seven to fifteen fold. Abnormal development of the placenta due to uterine damage increases the risk of fetal malformation, perinatal death, and excessive bleeding during labor.(8)
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COMPLICATIONS OF LABOR: Women who had one, two, or more previous induced abortions are, respectively, 1.89, 2.66, or 2.03 times more likely to have a subsequent pre-term delivery, compared to women who carry to term. Prior induced abortion not only increased the risk of premature delivery, it also increased the risk of delayed delivery. Women who had one, two, or more induced abortions are, respectively, 1.89, 2.61, and 2.23 times more likely to have a post-term delivery (over 42 weeks).(17) Pre-term delivery increases the risk of neo-natal death and handicaps. Pregnancy problems Cervical damage from previously induced abortions increase the risks of miscarriage, premature birth, and complications of labor during later pregnancies by 300 - 500 percent.1,2,4,7 The reproductive risks of abortion are especially acute for women who abort their first pregnancies. A major study of first pregnancy abortions found that 48% of women experienced abortion-related complications in later pregnancies. Women in this group experienced 2.3 miscarriages for every one live birth.4 Yet another researcher found that among teenagers who aborted their first pregnancies, 66% subsequently experienced miscarriages or premature birth of their second, "wanted" pregnancies.6
When the risks of increased pregnancy loss are projected on the population as a whole, it is estimated that aborted women lose 100,000 "wanted" pregnancies each year because of latent abortion morbidity.5 In addition, premature births, complications of labor, and abnormal development of the placenta, all of which can result from latent abortion morbidity, are leading causes of handicaps among newborns.3 Looking at premature deliveries alone, it is estimated that latent abortion morbidity results in 3000 cases of acquired cerebral palsy among newborns each year. 5,7 Finally, since these pregnancy problems pose a threat to the health of the mothers too, women who have had abortions face a 58 percent greater risk of dying during a later pregnancy.5
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HANDICAPPED NEWBORNS IN LATER PREGNANCIES:
Abortion is associated with cervical and uterine damage which may increase the risk of premature delivery, complications of labor and abnormal development of the placenta in later pregnancies. These reproductive complications are the leading causes of handicaps among newborns.(9)
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ECTOPIC PREGNANCY:
Abortion is significantly related to an increased risk of subsequent ectopic pregnancies. Ectopic pregnancies, in turn, are life threatening and may result in reduced fertility.(10)
Ectopic pregnancies. If the scar tissue covers the openings from the fallopian tube to the uterus only partially, then the sperm will be able to reach the egg in the tube. Conceptions occurs, and fertilized egg (baby) begins to grow and move toward the uterus. The fertilized egg is too large to get from the fallopian tube to the uterus opening because of the scar tissue blocking part of the opening. The baby continues to grow inside the tube, eventually causing the tube to burst. If surgery is not done to remove the baby, then the mother will die. There has been a 300% increase in ectopic pregnancies since abortion was legalized. (US Dept. H.H.S., Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, no. 33, no. 15, April 20, 1984--quoted in Willke's book p. 108). Among women who aborted their first pregnancy there was a 500% increase in subsequent ectopic pregnancies. (Chung et al. "Effects of Induced Abortion Complications on Subsequent Reproductive Function" U. of Hawaii, Honolulu, 1981--Wilke p. 109) This is not to say that every woman who experiences tubal pregnancy has had an abortion.
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PELVIC INFLAMMATORY DISEASE (PID):
PID is a potentially life threatening disease which can lead to an increased risk of ectopic pregnancy and reduced fertility. Of patients who have a Chlamydia infection at the time of the abortion, 23% will develop PID within 4 weeks. Studies have found that 20 to 27% of patients seeking abortion have a Chlamydia infection. Approximately 5% of patients who are not infected by Chlamydia develop PID within 4 weeks after a first trimester abortion. It is therefore reasonable to expect that abortion providers should screen for and treat such infections prior to an abortion.(11)
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ENDOMETRITIS:
Endometritis is a post-abortion risk for all women, but especially for teenagers, who are 2.5 times more likely than women 20-29 to acquire endometritis following abortion.(12)
Endometritis is an inflamatory disease caused mainly by bacteria that can lead to infertility due to obstruction of the falopian tromps.top
IMMEDIATE COMPLICATIONS:
Approximately 10% of women undergoing elective abortion will suffer immediate complications, of which approximately one-fifth (2%) are considered life threatening. The nine most common major complications which can occur at the time of an abortion are:
Physical Consequences after abortion
DEATH: According to the best record based study of deaths following pregnancy and abortion, a 1997 government funded study in Finland, women who abort are approximately four times more likely to die in the following year than women who carry their pregnancies to term. In addition, women who carry to term are only half as likely to die as women who were not pregnant.(16)
The Finland researchers found that compared to women who carried to term, women who aborted in the year prior to their deaths were 60 percent more likely to die of natural causes, seven times more likely to die of suicide, four times more likely to die of injuries related to accidents, and 14 times more likely to die from homicide. Researchers believe the higher rate of deaths related to accidents and homicide may be linked to higher rates of suicidal or risk-taking behavior.(16)
The leading causes of abortion related maternal deaths within a week of the surgery are hemorrhage, infection, embolism, anesthesia, and undiagnosed ectopic pregnancies. Legal abortion is reported as the fifth leading cause of maternal death in the United States, though in fact it is recognized that most abortion related deaths are not officially reported as such.(2)
top
BREAST CANCER:
There is strong evidence that abortion increases the risk of breast cancer. A study of more than 1,800 women appearing in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute in 1994 found that overall, women having abortions increased their risk of getting breast cancer before age 45 by 50%. For women under 18 with no previous pregnancies, having an abortion after the 8th week increased the risk of breast cancer 800%. Women with a family history of breast cancer fared even worse. All 12 women participating in the study who had abortions before 18 and had a family history of breast cancer themselves got cancer before age 45.
The risk of breast cancer almost doubles after one abortion, and rises even further with two or more abortions.(3)
top
CERVICAL, OVARIAN, AND LIVER CANCER:
Women with one abortion face a 2.3 relative risk of cervical cancer, compared to non-aborted women, and women with two or more abortions face a 4.92 relative risk. Similar elevated risks of ovarian and liver cancer have also been linked to single and multiple abortions. These increased cancer rates for post-aborted women are apparently linked to the unnatural disruption of the hormonal changes which accompany pregnancy and untreated cervical damage.(4)
top
UTERINE PERFORATION:
Between 2 and 3% of all abortion patients may suffer perforation of their uterus, yet most of these injuries will remain undiagnosed and untreated unless laparoscopic visualization is performed.(5) Such an examination may be useful when beginning an abortion malpractice suit. The risk of uterine perforation is increased for women who have previously given birth and for those who receive general anesthesia at the time of the abortion.(6) Uterine damage may result in complications in later pregnancies and may eventually evolve into problems which require a hysterectomy, which itself may result in a number of additional complications and injuries including osteoporosis.
top
CERVICAL LACERATIONS:
Significant cervical lacerations requiring sutures occur in at least one percent of first trimester abortions. Lesser lacerations, or micro fractures, which would normally not be treated may also result in long term reproductive damage. Latent post-abortion cervical damage may result in subsequent cervical incompetence, premature delivery, and complications of labor. The risk of cervical damage is greater for teenagers, for second trimester abortions, and when practitioners fail to use laminaria for dilation of the cervix.(7)
top
PLACENTA PREVIA:
Abortion increases the risk of placenta previa in later pregnancies (a life threatening condition for both the mother and her wanted pregnancy) by seven to fifteen fold. Abnormal development of the placenta due to uterine damage increases the risk of fetal malformation, perinatal death, and excessive bleeding during labor.(8)
top
COMPLICATIONS OF LABOR: Women who had one, two, or more previous induced abortions are, respectively, 1.89, 2.66, or 2.03 times more likely to have a subsequent pre-term delivery, compared to women who carry to term. Prior induced abortion not only increased the risk of premature delivery, it also increased the risk of delayed delivery. Women who had one, two, or more induced abortions are, respectively, 1.89, 2.61, and 2.23 times more likely to have a post-term delivery (over 42 weeks).(17) Pre-term delivery increases the risk of neo-natal death and handicaps. Pregnancy problems Cervical damage from previously induced abortions increase the risks of miscarriage, premature birth, and complications of labor during later pregnancies by 300 - 500 percent.1,2,4,7 The reproductive risks of abortion are especially acute for women who abort their first pregnancies. A major study of first pregnancy abortions found that 48% of women experienced abortion-related complications in later pregnancies. Women in this group experienced 2.3 miscarriages for every one live birth.4 Yet another researcher found that among teenagers who aborted their first pregnancies, 66% subsequently experienced miscarriages or premature birth of their second, "wanted" pregnancies.6
When the risks of increased pregnancy loss are projected on the population as a whole, it is estimated that aborted women lose 100,000 "wanted" pregnancies each year because of latent abortion morbidity.5 In addition, premature births, complications of labor, and abnormal development of the placenta, all of which can result from latent abortion morbidity, are leading causes of handicaps among newborns.3 Looking at premature deliveries alone, it is estimated that latent abortion morbidity results in 3000 cases of acquired cerebral palsy among newborns each year. 5,7 Finally, since these pregnancy problems pose a threat to the health of the mothers too, women who have had abortions face a 58 percent greater risk of dying during a later pregnancy.5
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HANDICAPPED NEWBORNS IN LATER PREGNANCIES:
Abortion is associated with cervical and uterine damage which may increase the risk of premature delivery, complications of labor and abnormal development of the placenta in later pregnancies. These reproductive complications are the leading causes of handicaps among newborns.(9)
top
ECTOPIC PREGNANCY:
Abortion is significantly related to an increased risk of subsequent ectopic pregnancies. Ectopic pregnancies, in turn, are life threatening and may result in reduced fertility.(10)
Ectopic pregnancies. If the scar tissue covers the openings from the fallopian tube to the uterus only partially, then the sperm will be able to reach the egg in the tube. Conceptions occurs, and fertilized egg (baby) begins to grow and move toward the uterus. The fertilized egg is too large to get from the fallopian tube to the uterus opening because of the scar tissue blocking part of the opening. The baby continues to grow inside the tube, eventually causing the tube to burst. If surgery is not done to remove the baby, then the mother will die. There has been a 300% increase in ectopic pregnancies since abortion was legalized. (US Dept. H.H.S., Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, no. 33, no. 15, April 20, 1984--quoted in Willke's book p. 108). Among women who aborted their first pregnancy there was a 500% increase in subsequent ectopic pregnancies. (Chung et al. "Effects of Induced Abortion Complications on Subsequent Reproductive Function" U. of Hawaii, Honolulu, 1981--Wilke p. 109) This is not to say that every woman who experiences tubal pregnancy has had an abortion.
top
PELVIC INFLAMMATORY DISEASE (PID):
PID is a potentially life threatening disease which can lead to an increased risk of ectopic pregnancy and reduced fertility. Of patients who have a Chlamydia infection at the time of the abortion, 23% will develop PID within 4 weeks. Studies have found that 20 to 27% of patients seeking abortion have a Chlamydia infection. Approximately 5% of patients who are not infected by Chlamydia develop PID within 4 weeks after a first trimester abortion. It is therefore reasonable to expect that abortion providers should screen for and treat such infections prior to an abortion.(11)
top
ENDOMETRITIS:
Endometritis is a post-abortion risk for all women, but especially for teenagers, who are 2.5 times more likely than women 20-29 to acquire endometritis following abortion.(12)
Endometritis is an inflamatory disease caused mainly by bacteria that can lead to infertility due to obstruction of the falopian tromps.top
IMMEDIATE COMPLICATIONS:
Approximately 10% of women undergoing elective abortion will suffer immediate complications, of which approximately one-fifth (2%) are considered life threatening. The nine most common major complications which can occur at the time of an abortion are:
- infection, Signs of infection are fever, abdominal pain, vaginal secretion. Best treatment is a repeated aspiration procedure or D&C to empty the uterus in case of retention and to remove the infected endometrium, combined with an antibiotic course. Salpingitis may lead to sterility.
The typical infection involving the woman's reproductive organs (uterus, fallopian tubes, and ovaries) is pelvic inflammatory disease or PID. PID is often difficult to manage and often leads to sterility, even with prompt treatment. Some women have serious chronic pain the rest of their lives because of PID. Some women even have pain every time they have sex because of PID. (M. Spence, "PID: Detection and Treatment," Sexually Transmitted Disease Bulletin, Johns Hopkins University, vol. 3, no 1, February 1983). (PID is not a sexually transmitted disease but is a common complication from infection from abortion and STD's such as gonorrhea and chlamydia.) Sterility. Because of such early complications as infections after an abortion, the uterus is often scarred. If the scar tissue covers the opening from the tube to the uterus, then the tiny sperm cannot reach the egg. Fertilization cannot occur - excessive bleeding,
- embolism: An embolism is an obstruction of a blood vessel by a foreign substance such as air, fat, tissue, or blood clot. Childbirth is a normal process, and the body is well prepared for the birth of the child and the separation and expulsion of the placenta. Surgical abortion is an abnormal process and slices the unripe placenta from the wall of the uterus into which its roots have grown. This sometimes causes the fluid around the baby, or other pieces of tissue or blood clots, to be forced into the mother's circulation. These then travel to her lungs, causing damage and occasionally death. (W. Cates et al., American Journal OB/GYN, vol. 132, p. 16
Usually, such a blockage is minor and goes unnoticed and is eventually dissolved. But if the block occurs in the brain or heart, it may result in a stroke or heart attack. This condition may occur anywhere from 2-50 days after an abortion and is a relatively frequent major complication. - ripping or perforation of the uterus,
- anesthesia complications, Due to the rich blood supply around the uterus during pregnancy, local and general anesthesia during abortions is risky. Convulsion, heart arrest and death are not an uncommon result because outpatient abortion clinics generally have little equipment and expertise to deal with it.
- convulsions,
- hemorrhage, Bleeding from the injection sites after injecting the local anesthetic occurs frequently but invariably ceases within a few minutes. So we are only concerned with uterine bleeding of the uterus by classical D&C in an advanced pregnancy blood loss may be abundant, first from the partly removed placenta, later from the exposed implantation site of the uterine wall. The latter will finish if the uterus is empty, because then the uterus contracts and thereby closes its vessels. Termination with prostaglandins too is generally accompanied with much blood loss probably due to early separation of the placenta from the uterine wall.
- cervical injury,
- and endotoxic shock.
- infection,
- bleeding,
- fever,
- second degree burns,
- chronic abdominal pain,
- vomiting,
- gastro-intestinal disturbances, and
- Rh sensitization.(13)
I wonder how many young girls and women are aware of the above listed risks they are exposing themselves to?
These negative after-effects are all physical. But what about the mental agonies later on that drive some women to suicide?
According to a study published in the "Post-Abortion Review," 36% of those women who have had abortions among those who were surveyed described themselves as self-destructive after their abortion.
[SIZE=+1]Fully 20% reported having a subsequent nervous breakdown, with 10% requiring hospitalization for psychiatric care. Sixty-one percent of women surveyed said the abortion made their lives worse and only 31% felt "reconciled" with their abortion.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Only 6% of the women surveyed said the abortion improved their lives.[/SIZE]
Did Mr. Morgentaler care about the women's feelings afterwards? I'm sure he did! As a doctor he is supposed to care about his patients. I hope so! Although his obsession and fanaticism with the abortion issue could make a person suspect something else was driving him .
These negative after-effects are all physical. But what about the mental agonies later on that drive some women to suicide?
According to a study published in the "Post-Abortion Review," 36% of those women who have had abortions among those who were surveyed described themselves as self-destructive after their abortion.
[SIZE=+1]Fully 20% reported having a subsequent nervous breakdown, with 10% requiring hospitalization for psychiatric care. Sixty-one percent of women surveyed said the abortion made their lives worse and only 31% felt "reconciled" with their abortion.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Only 6% of the women surveyed said the abortion improved their lives.[/SIZE]
Did Mr. Morgentaler care about the women's feelings afterwards? I'm sure he did! As a doctor he is supposed to care about his patients. I hope so! Although his obsession and fanaticism with the abortion issue could make a person suspect something else was driving him .
Ok, 1, Suicide is a mental issue.
2, What are the stats with comparison to having a child and
a) putting it up for adoption (also causes suicide levels, I know that one)
b) living in poverty unable to feed both you and the child
c) having a miscarriage or other dangerous complication (if the fetus is a person
you can't kill it just to save another person). This can cause death and suicide.
3, We know for a fact legalizing abortion causes a lower level of crime and poverty after one generation.
4, 6% said it improved their lives. Who are you to tell that 6% to suffer? This is a free society. We allow people to eat unhealthy foods, drink, forgo excersize and other activities because its their choice not yours. If you don't think an abortion will help your life DONT HAVE ONE, if you do, the choice is yours.
Jeeper Creepers people.... it's a friggin Medal, not Metal.... yes I know it's made of Metal, but it's called a Medal.
yes, that could be. I have an adopted grandchild, and know the mother is o.k., she married and has two children = normal family. She has met her first-born a couple of times and is in touch with my daughter... it's an open and friendly relationship, with grandparents included and visiting as well. This reaching-out to her by my daughter has made the situation less traumatic for all involved, I think. This is probably a rarity. In most cases, especially from decades ago, mother and child never meet again. This is for many adopted children also a chip on their shoulders
We are talking about Canada, Zarkov! I have seen several young, unmarried mothers with their kid or kids, being taken care of by social services. I respect these girls for keeping and raising their children!
Yes, a miscarriage is very tough on a woman, but that has nothing to do with Dr. Morgentaler! Any other "dangerous complication" has always been handled in a way that the life of the mother takes priority. I agree with that, because what good is it for the baby, if it doesn't have a mother? Sure, the Dad and other relatives would and could take care of the baby.
By all means, then let's murder a million babies to have a hundred criminals less to deal with!!:roll:
I know, Zarkov, a bunch of you pro-choicers have chosen to put my head on the butcher block!:lol: This abortion issue has always been hotly debated, because we have strong emotions attached to it. My position is pro-life, and that is, among other reasons, because I have given birth to several children. IF I would imagine to have had any one of them aborted for no other reason than inconvenience, I would be very, very sad, but because I let the child live I see what a beautiful person it has become. And here is another aspect of blanket abortion... we never even consider whom we are flushing down the toilet!! The gift, the talents, the love, and the life this trusting spirit would have brought into the world... all gone!!:-
-( Decisions for an abortion are most often made in haste and bad advice, because the sooner - the better and less complicated.
In my opinion Mr. M. could have used his love and devotion for women in a much more constructive way by establishing counseling, educating and generally supporting and comforting facilities. I would have admiration for him instead of disgust.
Sure, he is heralded by many as a woman liberator! It is all a matter of the individual's level of consciousness, and it is great to have the freedom to choose as well as the obligation to accept and bear the responsibilities that go along with that choice.
Wow, Coldstream!!... where have you been hiding? I'm happy and so pleased to read your supporting post. I almost felt like a hunted deer with no place to run to, but having to face the raging hunters!!:lol:;-);-) Thank God, I have a few years under my belt and don't keel over at the first bullet.
Nice meeting you!:smile: