Facts about seniors' income

JLM

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Lottery winnings are the retirement package of choice by a large segment of the population. Right now it is only government employees that know they will skate through retirement as they have throughout their employed life.
Even those of us with union pensions face a risk that it will disappear when collection time comes as it has been known to happen in the past.
I'm thinking that perhaps all pension funds should be administered through CPP or else use employer paid RRSPs instead of a company pension plan. Then it is up to the employee to invest as they see fit.


You have to keep in mind there are two distinctly different groups of Gov't employees, the elected officials who quality for generous pensions after a short term of service and the rest of us grunts - maybe 90% who have to put in 35 years (at about 70 - 80% of the earning power of the private sector) to qualify for a pension of about 70% of their highest earning capacity. The guys who pushed the shovels and brooms are just barely making ends meet.
 

TenPenny

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The snivel servants were very well taken care of as far as pensions go. Mind you, they all complain about how hard done by they are, because they live in a fantasy world.
 

Hoid

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You have to keep in mind there are two distinctly different groups of Gov't employees, the elected officials who quality for generous pensions after a short term of service and the rest of us grunts - maybe 90% who have to put in 35 years (at about 70 - 80% of the earning power of the private sector) to qualify for a pension of about 70% of their highest earning capacity. The guys who pushed the shovels and brooms are just barely making ends meet.
there are very few people who collect a 35 year pension.

If you were to use dollar figures the average government pension would be $1,200 - $1,500 (if that) which is barely enough for rent money.

What an interesting reference you provide there. Literally just months before statscan discovered they had grossly underestimated poverty among Canadian seniors.

Here are the actual numbers - 1 on 4 Canadians seniors live in poverty. Almost 3 times the national average.

http://www.carp.ca/2014/12/11/600000-seniors-canada-live-poverty/

And now I have the impression you are just a liar and don't even know or care anything about this topic, because you obviously don't have any knowledge about it.
 

taxslave

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You have to keep in mind there are two distinctly different groups of Gov't employees, the elected officials who quality for generous pensions after a short term of service and the rest of us grunts - maybe 90% who have to put in 35 years (at about 70 - 80% of the earning power of the private sector) to qualify for a pension of about 70% of their highest earning capacity. The guys who pushed the shovels and brooms are just barely making ends meet.

You were working for the wrong part of the government and bailed too early. My ex managed to retire after 26 with the school district at 61 and not have to touch CPP yet. And she didn't work full time for the first few years.
 

JLM

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The snivel servants were very well taken care of as far as pensions go. Mind you, they all complain about how hard done by they are, because they live in a fantasy world.


There were openings while you were in the work force, so why didn't you grab one? Maybe you should quit whining and blowing smoke about something you know f**k all about!
 

DaSleeper

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What some people fail to realize is that when someone retires....early or otherwise, that person has to be replaced, so, in retirement the retiree is giving someone else a job! non?
 

Hoid

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People complain about a senior citizen occupying a high office because they plug up the promotions.

Wait until the 60 something retires and a 40 something takes their spot. That plugs up the promotion process far worse.
 

DaSleeper

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The upside for the employer is that the new employee, assuming that they aren't replaced by tech, are hired at a much lower cost.
What you don't understand is that when I retired the guy who moved up in my place got the rate I was getting and the same all the way down the production line...
The guy that got hired at the bottom got the bottom man's rate...
The company didn't save a penny and someone got a job that they didn't have one before!
 

JLM

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What some people fail to realize is that when someone retires....early or otherwise, that person has to be replaced, so, in retirement the retiree is giving someone else a job! non?


Absolutely, I fail to see why people embarrass themselves by whining! "The early bird gets the worm" - in other words "get the f**k off your ass". :)

The upside for the employer is that the new employee, assuming that they aren't replaced by tech, are hired at a much lower cost.


As it should be! :)
 

Cannuck

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What an interesting reference you provide there. Literally just months before statscan discovered they had grossly underestimated poverty among Canadian seniors.

Yes, I'm sure we all know senior income is low. You should try a little harder
 

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What you don't understand is that when I retired the guy who moved up in my place got the rate I was getting and the same all the way down the production line...
The guy that got hired at the bottom got the bottom man's rate...
The company didn't save a penny and someone got a job that they didn't have one before!

I do understand what you're suggesting and perhaps my comment was overly generalized.

Consider that things like defined pensions are rarely being offered these days, but for those that have that agreement in place, the employer just can't arbitrarily end it, but what they will do is refrain from offering that to any new employees. Those pension liabilities, particularly the unfunded ones represent a huge long term cost.

As per the example at your (former) work, it doesn't always translate in that manner.... By in large, there is more pressure to replace people at the upper end of the salary/wage scale than those lower down on the ladder for obvious reasons, but often overlooked are the payroll taxes the gubmint assesses which are a percentage of that employees salary.

in the end, the actual wage/salary is only one component of the related costs
 

Hoid

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Yes, I'm sure we all know senior income is low. You should try a little harder
provides link that misrepresents the economic situation of seniors in Canada - says we all knew he was lying.
 

Hoid

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I guess we are left with the ignore list

first leftie who has made the cut.

congrats dimwit.
 

JLM

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What some people fail to realize is that when someone retires....early or otherwise, that person has to be replaced, so, in retirement the retiree is giving someone else a job! non?


Basically with the B.C. provincial Gov't there is about 10 increments.................more, but some are overlapping so, depending on what the position is, it takes about 10 years to reach the top salary for the position.