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IdRatherBeSkiing

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Can be. You think the government has the just authority to tell you what you can and can't put into your body?

Or do you just want users dying from overdoses and fentanyl-laced street drugs?
I assume one of the drugs provided would include fentanyl -- why limit one?

I guess the druggie would have more knowledge of what the dose of drug he had was which may reduce the risk of overdose but that problem is not one that is high on my list of problems. You do the drugs you takes your chances. I also think making it more available may make it more likely somebody will overdose who may not have used street drugs as they were slightly harder or more intimidating to get.
 

Ron in Regina

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I’m guessing (ass/u/me, yeah, I know) that if someone can walk up to the counter at the “Drugs Store” & buy their 2.5 grams of Fentanyl/day, the surplus is going to end up being cut into the other drugs that will still be available in the the black market Street level that will not be competing with the government, licensed and storefront staffed locations…making them much less expensive comparatively…to give them the extra “Kick” to keep the addicts coming back for more….creating more Meth addicts who thought they where buying Pot, etc… “not laced with Meth”, etc….

I just can’t wrap my head around making hard drugs like Fentanyl or Heroin or Crack Cocaine or Meth more “mainstream” and acceptable as being a good thing for anyone.

Maybe running the gauntlet of Meth addicts begging for spare change at my local PetroCanada as I’m just trying to put fuel in my truck so I can continue to commute to work everyday has given me a personal bias though.

From what I understand, 2.5 grams of Fentanyl is NOT a “personal use” per day volume for anyone that’s going to be alive the next day to make their next purchase.
 

The_Foxer

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I just can’t wrap my head around making hard drugs like Fentanyl or Heroin or Crack Cocaine or Meth more “mainstream” and acceptable as being a good thing for anyone.
It's a paradigm issue. Drug user advocates think that if there's no stigma socially at all to drugs and if the supply is 100 percent safe and better yet given for free or at least very cheap then the drug addicts are less likely to die or suffer anxiety over their drug use. So - because that's ALL they think of and that's their entire perspective. they see it as 'harm reduction'.

What they CAN'T see is that doing so will make it much much easier and less 'undesirable' to try and to use drugs in the first place, meaning we've got a lot more addicts. And that's a lot more lives ruined, and while deaths as a percent of addicts might go down the actual number of deaths is likely to climb because we have more addicts at risk. And eventually resources get strained and their's not quite enough free drugs and no where near enough rehab and illegal drug smuggling is back in the game and you've solved nothing but now you have vastly more ruined lives and unproductive people who are at high risk of death. Except now you've blown all the money you could have spent actually trying to get them off drugs.
 

Ron in Regina

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Let’s look at the legalization of pot as an example. Yes, they legalized it. There are storefront retail outlets selling it, and there’s no way in hell they can compete with the black market for pricing.

There are still people using the government marijuana stores, because they are still a thing that exists, but the black market sells for less than half of what the government stores do. This is something with an easy google search is very verifiable. As far as what percentage of people use the government stores versus the black market, I couldn’t tell you off hand.

This might help to drive down the prices of hard drugs in Vancouver, but people are still going to need to be able to feed their addictions without having the ability to be able to work….Because these hard drugs do not make productive people. The moneys gotta come from somewhere beyond government handouts….And that is crime that will supply the money for the drugs. I could be wrong, but I don’t think so.
 
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It's a paradigm issue. Drug user advocates think that if there's no stigma socially at all to drugs and if the supply is 100 percent safe and better yet given for free or at least very cheap then the drug addicts are less likely to die or suffer anxiety over their drug use. So - because that's ALL they think of and that's their entire perspective. they see it as 'harm reduction'.

What they CAN'T see is that doing so will make it much much easier and less 'undesirable' to try and to use drugs in the first place, meaning we've got a lot more addicts. And that's a lot more lives ruined, and while deaths as a percent of addicts might go down the actual number of deaths is likely to climb because we have more addicts at risk. And eventually resources get strained and their's not quite enough free drugs and no where near enough rehab and illegal drug smuggling is back in the game and you've solved nothing but now you have vastly more ruined lives and unproductive people who are at high risk of death. Except now you've blown all the money you could have spent actually trying to get them off drugs.
What and solve the problem , come on man all those good jobs pimping poverty would dry up . Who wants that ?
 
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The_Foxer

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This might help to drive down the prices of hard drugs in Vancouver, but people are still going to need to be able to feed their addictions without having the ability to be able to work…
Of course - so when that fails the advocates will claim we haven't done enough, we need to provide FREE drugs to the users so they don't need to steal to pay for it.

And when THAT fails and they still steal and commit crimes and can't get off drugs and are dying then they'll say we need to provide a basic income for them so they can live and get their lives together without worrying about money, and while we're at it perhaps it should be a Universal Basic Income for everybody.

I don't know what their plan is when that fails, but I am sure it'll be my fault somehow.
 

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I say have at 'er......Don't know who will clean up all the corpses though.
It's called "population control" likely instigated by those who believe in what Bill Gates keeps going on about - too many people in the world that cause climate change so lets get rid of as many people as possible by providing drugs that kill, reduce the amount of food available and subsidize meats with bugs, etc. etc. Cleaning up the corpses will provide jobs tho' ;)
Of course not but the increase of use is not something to be "proud" of and it destroys communities so why would we encourage that?
 

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It's absolutely true that we won't solve the deaths or problems of drug addiction by giving drugs away free. The 'Safe injection' sites were supposed to keep deaths down radically, but in stead deaths have shot up dramatically. Getting people into rehab and helping them to rebuild their lives afterwards is the only thing that can work at all and even that doesn't have a 100 percent success rate. But at least it's better than leaving them addicted on the streets till they die.

I'm all over funding multiple rehab options and after rehab care and reintegration services AND bringing in crushing laws for drug dealers and the like.
Liberalism and socialism does not work. This is what those two isms have done to society. Destroyed society. Government has never been the solution but it dam well knows as to how to create problems.

Personally, I would like to bring back capital punishment and execute those scum that import or sell drugs like they do in Singapore. It's time to get very serious and stop playing around with these drug dealing pushers. It's time to bring on some tough love.
 

The_Foxer

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Personally, I would like to bring back capital punishment and execute those scum that import or sell drugs like they do in Singapore. It's time to get very serious and stop playing around with these drug dealing pushers. It's time to bring on some tough love.
I appreciate the sentiment for sure, but the sad reality is if we did we'd see the liberals claiming that people they don't like are drug dealers or at least just as bad as them and should be treated the same. Never give the state power of life and death over you, for sure they'll misuse it.

I'd be happy with just 'true life' sentances where they never get out but considering the judges just shot that down for mass murderers i doubt we'll get it for drug dealers.
 
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I appreciate the sentiment for sure, but the sad reality is if we did we'd see the liberals claiming that people they don't like are drug dealers or at least just as bad as them and should be treated the same. Never give the state power of life and death over you, for sure they'll misuse it.

I'd be happy with just 'true life' sentances where they never get out but considering the judges just shot that down for mass murderers i doubt we'll get it for drug dealers.

The problem with our judicial system is that there are not enough real and true conservative judges on the benches in Canada these days. Liberal judges are in the majority here in Canada, and they being appointed judges by the liberals, will always ignore showing some tough love. Just my opinion.
 

The_Foxer

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The problem with our judicial system is that there are not enough real and true conservative judges on the benches in Canada these days. Liberal judges are in the majority here in Canada, and they being appointed judges by the liberals, will always ignore showing some tough love. Just my opinion.
Well i wouldn't say it's JUST your opinion, i've heard it said a lot :) IF you want to take a step back further, the real problem is Conservatives don't cheat enough. Previous liberals tended to stock the judges with 'friendlies". Harper came up with a very reasonable and non partisan method to appoint judges that weeded out a lot of that nonsense and made it fair, rather than do the same thing. Trudeau got in, tossed that out in one second, and went back to the cronyism of the past.

The libs aren't in it to be fair or honest, and we've got to quit trying to be when it comes to that kind of thing.
 
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