euthanizing squirrels?

Twila

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Not so sure coyotes and foxes are critters you want running wild in public parks and back yards....

Wolf

We have coyotes in our neighbourhood, and except for the stupid mothers who want their kids to pet the cute doggie we've had no problems...except for cats and small dogs that go missing, but I figure that's the law of nature right there. Except for the idiot cat owners who put bells on their cats in coyotes country.

I wish we had foxes.
 

lone wolf

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Cats and dogs will hunt them too. Hawk, eagle, will also take them. Most people don't know it but Fox and Coyote are running around in parks and backyards before it's a park or a backyard. Part of the problem is that we don't build in a way to support the ecosystem that is already working there.

That's our problem with bears in Ontario: urban encroachment onto their turf.

Contrary to what university educated bear experts will tell you - to save both face and government esteem - First Nations knew enough to hunt the bear in spring. It taught the cubs respect for man.

Now we have no spring hunt because a few cubs always end up orphaned - and what is more pitiful than a poor orphan cub. A sow bear will generally adopt it. With nothing to teach them the safety of the bush, cubs grow up without the fear of man - and man is an easy source of food. That creates nuisance bears - especially when berry crops fail.

Man messes with nature when man doesn't really know anything about nature.

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Tonington

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Wow. Are greys really a threat to reds? I agree with missile, we have blacks greys and reds all getting along just fine in our yeard. The reds are the biggest pain in the butt....they're most territorial and think they own everything and are not shy about chattering about it....endlessly!! :smile:

We enjoy our squirrels, they're adorable and hours of fun watching them play.

Oh, and Nuggie....lawns are introduced!!! Get the roundup out and eradicated that foreign weed will ya! Nothing is more environmentally taxing than a green lawn around here.

From an ecological standpoint, they do indeed represent a problem. When species like the grey squirrel and red squirrel evolve within the same community, they will find a natural equilibrium to share resources. It's called niche specialization. Each species will focus on one particular niche to avoid competition for resources. This resource partitioning while reducing competetion for resources, also allows for the sharing of limited resources.

Now, when you add a grey squirrel to a region where it does not naturally occur, it will overcompete. The trophic structure can quickly tip the scales to favour the invasive species. Typically, invasive species flourish, because predators will continue to prey on their natural food sources, and the resources of the natural species will be reduced because of the invasive competitor. This results in a decrease in carrying capacity, and this extra pressure can cause species to dwindle low enough that they will not be able to recover.

Suppose for instance that juvenile red squirrels prefer the buds from a certain tree. If the grey squirrel reproduces more prolifically, and the young mature faster, they could overgraze that food item which is critical to the development of juvenile red squirrels.

Invasive species are nasty. One reason we should be very diligent when moving about the continent, or from one continent to another. It doesn't take much.
 

shadowshiv

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Here in Chatham, I have not seen too many grey squirrels. The majority of the ones that I have seen are black ones(and they like to bury nuts in my yard and make nice big holes, the bastards!;-)).

However, the crow overpopulation that we have here is huge! However, one cannot eat a crow. At least I would hope not!8O:lol:

I could never stick a squirrel in a bag and whack it against a wall. I don't think that I could even drown one.
 

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From an ecological standpoint, they do indeed represent a problem. When species like the grey squirrel and red squirrel evolve within the same community, they will find a natural equilibrium to share resources. It's called niche specialization. Each species will focus on one particular niche to avoid competition for resources. This resource partitioning while reducing competetion for resources, also allows for the sharing of limited resources.

Now, when you add a grey squirrel to a region where it does not naturally occur, it will overcompete. The trophic structure can quickly tip the scales to favour the invasive species. Typically, invasive species flourish, because predators will continue to prey on their natural food sources, and the resources of the natural species will be reduced because of the invasive competitor. This results in a decrease in carrying capacity, and this extra pressure can cause species to dwindle low enough that they will not be able to recover.

Suppose for instance that juvenile red squirrels prefer the buds from a certain tree. If the grey squirrel reproduces more prolifically, and the young mature faster, they could overgraze that food item which is critical to the development of juvenile red squirrels.

Invasive species are nasty. One reason we should be very diligent when moving about the continent, or from one continent to another. It doesn't take much.

Is that actually happening though? There may be plenty to go around for all squirrels. Or in fact, the native red squirrels might make it difficult for the greys in hard times.
 

Tonington

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Well, wherever grey squirrels have been introduced to areas with red squirrels, it is the smaller red squirrels that lose. Check out the UK. The EU has classed them as a pest.

Not sure about pathogens, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are some issues there as well.
 

Tonington

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Black squirrels are actually Eastern grey squirrels, just a different variety. Think of it as the opposite of albino ;)
 

Tonington

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I don't mean to say squirrels are bad. Introduced species of any type are bad though.
 

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Squirrels are just rats with PR agents. They said hey dudes stay out of the sewsers and get a waredrode and people will call you cute.:roll:
 

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When my brother and I worked at a provincial park, there was a bunch of squirrels that used to hang out near the maintenance building. The park caretaker used to feed them all the time. One day we came back and saw them chewing through our lunch box, I grabbed the nearest thing I could find, a block of wood, and hurled it at the squirrel. Nearly got the little bugger. They were smart little farts. They could open Gordie's lunch box. Lift the metal clasp, and push on both lids with their feet. One time a squirrel pushed it open and fell right in! We laughed, and waited for Gordie to come along to open his lunch box. That squirrel must have jumped out and about 5 feet into the air. Gordie almost had a heart attack!
 

shadowshiv

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When my brother and I worked at a provincial park, there was a bunch of squirrels that used to hang out near the maintenance building. The park caretaker used to feed them all the time. One day we came back and saw them chewing through our lunch box, I grabbed the nearest thing I could find, a block of wood, and hurled it at the squirrel. Nearly got the little bugger. They were smart little farts. They could open Gordie's lunch box. Lift the metal clasp, and push on both lids with their feet. One time a squirrel pushed it open and fell right in! We laughed, and waited for Gordie to come along to open his lunch box. That squirrel must have jumped out and about 5 feet into the air. Gordie almost had a heart attack!

At least it didn't latch itself onto Gordie's face!8O:lol: