Europe and U.S. Threaten Sanctions Over Kiev Bloodshed

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Are you certain it wasn't reissued and that isn't the reason for the escalation? I believe I read an article to that effect several days ago.

The 12 is still there, more if needed, no access until certain agreements are made. And they are broke.
Russia does not want the EU on another doorstep-
 

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Ukraine asked for a loan Russia obliged, your full of dog poo.
Did you read up on Yulia and her fight against the IMF and Russian oligarchs yet?

AKs and sniper rifles, not a nice place to be right now!
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Tanks are ready to roll the instant the Olympics are over.
 

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Did you read up on Yulia and her fight against the IMF and Russian oligarchs yet?


Tanks are ready to roll the instant the Olympics are over.

As you can see from the maps Russians are the dominant ethnic group in the Crimea, which is of immense strategic value to Russia. Also look at the regions bordering Russia.

And yes, Russia could pull the same thing they did in Georgia. They do not want the EU & NATO on their doorstep.
And that could be up to approx 40 % of the present day Ukraine. And what would anyone do about that. SFA.




 

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As you can see from the maps Russians are the dominant ethnic group in the Crimea, which is of immense strategic value to Russia. Also look at the regions bordering Russia.

And yes, Russia could pull the same thing they did in Georgia. They do not want the EU & NATO on their doorstep.
And that could be up to approx 40 % of the present day Ukraine. And what would anyone do about that. SFA.






When all is said and done there will be no speaking of Russian allowed. When you're forced to speak Russian, you speak Russian. When you're free to speak your own language you are free.You have no idea the of the level of hatred towards Moscow.
 

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When all is said and done there will be no speaking of Russian allowed. You have no idea the of the level of hatred towards Moscow.

I think I have a good grasp on it. There is more to it than the Holodomor. Many do not understand that when Hitler invaded they were initially welcomed. These people should bone up on their history. Then read the Ukraine War on independence - 1917-1921, and the list is long.

But the problem is ethnic Russians- who consider themselves Russian. Easy enough for things to get real dirty, and Russia moves to stop the killings.
And the West will do squat while the Ukraine is carved up into ostensibly Independent State(s), and then elections would be held to become part of Russia.
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I know my ethnic history. They aren't going to let Russia take away their independence. Russia is going to get their asses kicked just like USA and Canada in A-Stan.
 

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I know my ethnic history. They aren't going to let Russia take away their independence. Russia is going to get their asses kicked just like USA and Canada in A-Stan.
Never said they would take all of Ukraine, just certain areas, Crimea and the Eastern border areas. That is if they want to.
 

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Never said they would take all of Ukraine, just certain areas, Crimea and the Eastern border areas. That is if they want to.
They won't take f*ck all. Do you really think the US parked two naval battle groups in the Black Sea to protect the Olympics?
 

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They won't take f*ck all. Do you really think the US parked two naval battle groups in the Black Sea to protect the Olympics?

Why get upset with me- I stated that Russia could, not would, could - they prefer a client state - The EU needs their gas- The Russian have the military advantage - I stated they could incite rebellions, then step in as they did in Georgia.
And the West will not get into a War with Russia.
 

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The west won't? That is the why USS Mount Whitney the Command ship of Sixth fleet and NATO command ship is in the Black Sea?
 

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The west won't? That is the why USS Mount Whitney the Command ship of Sixth fleet and NATO command ship is in the Black Sea?

My opinion- Nope.

US Naval assets in the Black Sea are a few ships.

Getting Naval assets to the Black Sea. Look at the choke point.



The Bosporus is approximnately 19 miles (17 nautical miles/31 km) long. The strait is about 2.2 miles (3.5 km) wide at the northern entrance, narrows to minimum width of 750 meters between Anadoluhisar and Rumelihisar,south of the Fatih Sultan Mehmet Bridge. The depth varies from 36 to 124 meters in midstream. It is a former river valley that was drowned by the sea at the end of the Tertiary period.

Montreux Convention Regarding the Regime of the Straits - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Russia Military Strength

Ukraine Military Strength

United States Sixth Fleet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

U.S. Naval Forces Europe | EUCOM, Stronger Together
 

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What is sitting in the Med waiting to sail through the Bosporus?

Look at the choke point- and if I recall correctly Turkey has the right to refuse ships conducting a war under the treaty for that particular choke point. I posted the link.