Enbridge Northern Gateway Pipeline Is Unnecessary

petros

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Gilligan's Island...keep in mind the professor could make a bamboo lie detector but couldn't build a ****ing raft.
 

taxslave

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Can't sell Canadian oil to the American market for any more
than it's sold to the Canadian market. That's burried in the
NAFTA Argeement, I believe.

Also can't sell for less than in the domestic market. Thats called "dumping" Or at least thats what the US timber barons claim when ever our lumber is cheaper than they like.

The gist of the OP is that some in the US are concerned that Canada may find alternative markets for oil. That would leave them in the dark perhaps litterly and making less money. Canada OTH will win big time with more access to world markets and less dependence on the often fickle US market.
 

Kakato

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It's called bitumen and I highly doubt the stuff going through these lines will be the same stuff going through the lines at the oilsands to the plants,its very very abrasive as the sand is pure silica and pipe doesnt last longer then a few years before it's worn out.
Thats stuff so abrasive you will wear out a whole dozer undercarriage in about 1200 hours instead of the usual 12,000 or higher.
The oilsands arent slowing down on development and they cant handle what they have now so they will be building lines,money talks.
 

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Sunlight is unreliable and you have to live near a source of solar electricty, it stil takes oil to make solar electric panels and solar heat collectors, still takes oil to transport and maintain them, still takes huge amounts of oil to make and maintain the transmission equipment and most import it's takes oil to feed the planet.

The world will need oil for many years to come, that's for sure. As for tailing ponds, eventually they won't be required at all. New technology has made them a lot smaller in recent years and the goal is to not have them at all.
 

Kakato

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The world will need oil for many years to come, that's for sure. As for tailing ponds, eventually they won't be required at all. New technology has made them a lot smaller in recent years and the goal is to not have them at all.

I worked a year on the TRO(Tailings reduction operation) and the company I was working for were experts at the new technology where the tailings are pumped out and mixed with a poly flocculent and then spread out over the beach part of the dry part of the pond.
When mixed with the poly it lets the MFT(mature fine tailings) release the water and this is spread out,farmed and aerated and in 18 days its dry and you can pump more MFT on it and repeat the cycle.
The reason the ponds have been there so long is the MFT wont release the water and evaporate,so without Poly injection it would take 30 years to reclaim a pond,now it can be done in 3 years.

Heres a few pics from me sunk out on pond 6 Suncor with a bulldozer and sinking fast.

tailings pond 6 | Facebook
 

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I don't care what you call it the Canadian Oil Industry does have the capacity to refine this oil material. I too wonder why the need for a Pipeline? My only conclusion is those who are the majority investors have the financial ability to call the shots and do whatever it is (like build this Pipeline) and never even look back. I see it as a greed motivated project and the consideration to employ Canadian labor is not even a consideration. That is a move that I think will later come back to haunt those who are making the decisions.
 

Kakato

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I don't care what you call it the Canadian Oil Industry does have the capacity to refine this oil material. I too wonder why the need for a Pipeline? My only conclusion is those who are the majority investors have the financial ability to call the shots and do whatever it is (like build this Pipeline) and never even look back. I see it as a greed motivated project and the consideration to employ Canadian labor is not even a consideration. That is a move that I think will later come back to haunt those who are making the decisions.

When a refinery goes down at Suncor all the other operations run out of fuel to run the oilsands,shortages are very common when a plant goes down.I think Albertas maxxed out right now and cant build refinerys fast enough.
The investors in the oilsands include's most people who have mutual funds and many European oil companies who are building huge oilsands Extraction mines.
Total comes to mind,you can bet this will be exported.
 

petros

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I don't care what you call it the Canadian Oil Industry does have the capacity to refine this oil material. I too wonder why the need for a Pipeline? My only conclusion is those who are the majority investors have the financial ability to call the shots and do whatever it is (like build this Pipeline) and never even look back. I see it as a greed motivated project and the consideration to employ Canadian labor is not even a consideration. That is a move that I think will later come back to haunt those who are making the decisions.
Who are the big investors? You are. I am. All Canadians are.
 

Kakato

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Who are the big investors? You are. I am. All Canadians are.

Unless someones portfolio is strictly green funds chances are they are a shareholder in the oilsands. It's a delicious Irony I like to point out once in a while.
Never mind all the jobs the easterners are getting,better pay then the old days before the Cod got fished out.