Enbridge Northern Gateway Pipeline Is Unnecessary

Ron in Regina

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Good. 'Cuz I didn't know either, & Googled it....



....and wasn't any clearer on the definition. Also found
one weird Youtube video that didn't help any either.
 

Omicron

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You've gotta remember this one from having Detroit cable Ron.

Best Commercial Ever; Highland Appliance - YouTube

50 watts per channel babycakes!

It's a term of endearment.
Okay, I just watched the ad, which is good and should go into a time capsule, but I'm still not seeing how it relates to all-out extraction of the tar-sands, and why we couldn't have an Eden based upon walking under solar-panels spread above the American south-west.
 

petros

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Ever heard of heavy crude that is extracted conventionally from wells?


I don't want to live in the American desert where the solar power is. You can only send electricity so far down transmission wires before resistance makes it too weak to use.
 

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Oilsands?
Yeah, but it's not really oil-sands. It's been on the surface, so the light volatiles have evaporated, leaving the heavy stuff, aka tar.

And my issue is not that we are dealing with tar. My issue is that the leaders of the operation either can't see how to crack heavy hydrocarbons into more usable forms, or they have been seduced by Lucifer into doing everything the wrong way in order to accelerate Armagedon, because the faster that happens, the fewer souls get incorporated into God's brain.
 

petros

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Light vs Heavy Crude Oil

Light Crude oil is liquid petroleum that has low density and that flows freely at room temperature. It has low viscosity, low specific gravity and high API gravity due to the presence of a high proportion of light hydrocarbon fractions. It generally has a low wax content as well. On the other hand, heavy crude oil or extra heavy crude oil is any type of crude oil which does not flow easily. It is referred to as “heavy” because its density or specific gravity is higher than that of light crude oil. Heavy crude oil has been defined as any liquid petroleum with an API gravity less than 20°. Extra heavy oil is defined with API gravity below 10.0 °API (API gravity, is a measure of how heavy or light a petroleum liquid is compared to water. If its API gravity is greater than 10, it is lighter and floats on water; if less than 10, it is heavier and sinks. )

Light crude oil receives a higher price than heavy crude oil on commodity markets because it produces a higher percentage of gasoline and diesel fuel when converted into products by an oil refinery. Heavy crude oil has more negative impact on the environment than its light counterpart since its refinement requires the use of more advanced techniques an the use of contaminants.
The sweet light crude oil Western Texas Intermediate (WTI) is used as a benchmark in oil pricing.

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Canadian heavy oil production is centered in the greater Lloyminster region covering both sides of the Alberta-Saskatchewan border where companies enjoy year round access. Heavy oil is extracted from multiple-zone formations at shallow drill depth of 400-700 meters. To date, only 6.5% has been recovered from the 32 billion barrels of initial petroleum in place.


Oil produced from the greater Lloydminster fields falls in the heavy oil category as it has API gravity between 10° and 22°. It’s called heavy because it does not flow easily; it’s a gooey type of crude. The API gravity measures how heavy or light petroleum liquid is compared to water. Anywhere above 10° floats on water and vice versa. Heavy oil producers suffer from a price differential of about 20% to WTI (West Texas Intermediate) prices because it results in less higher end products when refined (refining costs are thus higher). Producers believe the price differential should narrow with increased refining capacity and pipeline takeaway.​


Even though heavy oil production lacks the “sex appeal” of tight oil extracted from shale, it remains a low risk high reward operation as the shallow drill depth translates into lower drilling costs and completion costs since mostly conventional vertical wells are drilled.

Sand free!
 

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Even though heavy oil production lacks the “sex appeal” of tight oil extracted from shale, it remains a low risk high reward operation
In other words... something good for lazy Capitalists.
as the shallow drill depth translates into lower drilling costs and completion costs since mostly conventional vertical wells are drilled.
Petro, you're a great guy, but are you seriously telling me this is cheaper than collecting solar energy and hydrolyzing water?
 

petros

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In other words... something good for lazy Capitalists.

Petro, you're a great guy, but are you seriously telling me this is cheaper than collecting solar energy and hydrolyzing water?
Yup. Nothing gives more bang for the buck than oil. One drop vapourized can blow you to bits, Sunburn is far slower and more painful.

Capitalism makes people more ambitious not lazy.
 

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Yup. Nothing gives more bang for the buck than oil. One drop vapourized can blow you to bits, Sunburn is far slower and more painful.
I don't believe it. I was able to fry ants with a sun-glass way more than fry them with matches.
Capitalism makes people more ambitious not lazy.
No it doesn't. If it did, then why would they go for tar instead of sunlight. It's just a way for making it cheap to be lazy.

Capitalism is a handy way for making neanderthals feel like they have a job, but sometimes we need things done.
 

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I don't believe it. I was able to fry ants with a sun-glass way more than fry them with matches.
No it doesn't. If it did, then why would they go for tar instead of sunlight. It's just a way for making it cheap to be lazy.

Capitalism is a handy way for making neanderthals feel like they have a job, but sometimes we need things done.
Sunlight is unreliable and you have to live near a source of solar electricty, it stil takes oil to make solar electric panels and solar heat collectors, still takes oil to transport and maintain them, still takes huge amounts of oil to make and maintain the transmission equipment and most import it's takes oil to feed the planet.