Where is the ill wind from Oshawa - Mr Flaherty? Do not hear him on the radio/TV defending his fiscal update!
Do you think the opposition parties will succesfully form a coalition government?
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Oh give me a break, our country already is a laughing stock to the world and what do you call the circus we've had for the last..... how many years now?
Harper hasn't done anything, he hasn't planned on doing anything productive, he didn't do anything during the election except bitch and pit the other guys as the bad guys, all the while still doing nothing.... then we get right back into it and he creates this situation when there were clearly many more obvious solutions to the problem other then trying to attack the other parties..... oh yeah, and not to mention that he planned on doing nothing for the thousands of people who are out of work and just decided to let them go homeless.
Cuz that's Harpers plan.... let him stay in power and we're all fuct because he doesn't know what he's doing and he really doesn't have a plan.
And if you think this switch in government will make us into a joke, then it sure as hell can't be anymore worse then the farce of a government we've been dealing with for years now.
I personally don't like it but that's a moot point as the political pundits seem to think it will work- I'm guessing it won't as I don't think a majority of the electorate are happy with a coalition which includes a party trying to break up the country. :angryfire:
You make a good point, Scratch- I think Duceppe is 3 times the man that both Layton and Dion are and probably has some good principles plus he's smart BUT his sentiments are with an independent Quebec.
Here's your answer: More then what Harper ever bothered to do......
Which is a lot more then what Haper has planned to do.
Scratch...Please.....
denial is not appropriate here.....the reason d'etre of the BQ is to take Quebec out of Canada. It has always been so........if it were not so, Duceppe would be seeking cabinet positions for his MPs, as his faction significantly outnumbers the NDP......but the BQ does not, because it will not participate in national gov't because it wants the country as it is to cease to exist.
Read up on the BQ, please.
You are engaged in denial.
These guys are the political enemies of patriotic Canadians. To include them in gov't is completely outrageous.
I don't have many issues with Duceppe.... sure he may want Quebec to seperate and be their own country, but that's nomore different then any of the others in the past who ran the Bloc. The one thing that makes him different from the others before him, is he hasn't been harping all over hell and creation on becoming their own country like the last Bloc leaders of the past..... sure he still has Quebec's interests at play, but who gives a hell?
At least he's representing someone and doing his job unlike the other idiots in the Conservative party. He wants what's best for Quebec? I can respect that. Will Quebec seperate? Who knows and who cares? If this is a true democracy, then they should have every right to do so.
The NDP are socialist? OMFG Uber No!? Say it ain't so!! Still beats capitalistic greedy pigs who don't do their job.
Dion doesn't have a clue? He's a poor leader of the Liberals? Well good thing Layton and Duceppe (The two who actually did the best in the debates in the last election) are there to keep him in check.
three heads are better then one.
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Yeah tell that to Harper.
Who are you to sit there and tell us what it is to be a patriotic Canadian? Being Patriotic doesn't mean you force an entire population to stay under your rule if/when they don't want to be, just so you can say you're a part of a unified nation..... that's not patriotic, that's living a joke and a lie through oppression..... all because of selfish desires of what will work best for you, rather then what is best for those in question.
And yes, we're all in question in regards to that type of situation (Quebec Seperating) but nothing last forever and things will either change and adapt or suffer and die..... much like what our nation is doing now.
I imagine so long as Duceppe keeps making sure Quebec is represented and gets treated decently, nobody's going to really care about seperation at this time.
Let Harper stay in power and continue to play this joke of a government as he wishes, and you can very well expect them to want to seperate regardless..... so it really doesn't matter anymore now does it? Hell, I'd want to seperate too if I had to continue to face this farce.
So, tell me, when did we invade Quebec???????????????
You are simply not dealing with reality.....Harper has the support of the vast majority of the population outside of the Separatists....simple as that. To defeat an enemy, politically or militarily, you need to isolate them, render them insignificant, NOT invite them to live in your house and give them the keys to the gun cabinet.
It is increasingly obvious that a very significant part of Canadians simply don't give a damn about the nation.
"Being Patriotic doesn't mean you force an entire population to stay under your rule if/when they don't want to be, just so you can say you're a part of a unified nation..... "- You are starting your argument out under a very questionable premise, which makes anything further you say null & void.
Colpy
Harper has the support of the vast majority of the population outside of the Separatists....simple as that.
ummm.... No. Yet again you are wrong and are letting your party fervour blind you to reality
Cons 37.65
Harper has the support of the vast majority of the population outside of the Separatists....simple as that.
ummm.... No. Yet again you are wrong and are letting your party fervour blind you to reality
Cons 37.65
Libas 26.60
NDP 18.18
Green 6.78
NDP 18.18
Green 6.78
= 51.56
37.65 vs 51.56 is NOT the support of the vast majority of the population outside of the Separatists
Tyr,
You are between a rock and a hard place because if you discount the Bloc you have a huge problem.
Whether you believe it or not Duceppe is becoming very well respected because he has passion and knowledge and care.
That, IMO, is what Canadians want and need.
rgs
scratch
You are between a rock and a hard place because if you discount the Bloc you have a huge problem.
Whether you believe it or not Duceppe is becoming very well respected because he has passion and knowledge and care.
That, IMO, is what Canadians want and need.
rgs
scratch
Harper is getting what he deserves, he is a thug, a sh!t disturber, and on top of all he is a cheat..........
Down with he Cheating Cons..
It is so pathetic and stupid to see Con voters screaming on the news "WE DID NOT VOTE FOR A COLLISION" they think that for Harper getting in it was a unanimous decision.... Wake up Cons, you ended up with a minority thanks to your cheat mentor Harper...... Do you understand? A MINORITY, AND WHEN YOU HAVE A MINORITY THIS SORT OF THING THE COALITION IS AN INEVITABLE POSSIBILITY.. Stop wining the majority of the country did not vote Con.......tipical losers, Harper goofed and time to go away....
Is that an actual serious question? How about you read up on some of the history between the French and the British during the colonial wars and how the French, after basically losing, gave up Quebec to be controlled by the British Empire.... thus, they became a part of Canada overall.... but when was this ever a choice of the people who lived in Quebec?
Never. They never were given democratic rights to determine if they wanted to be a part of the British Empire, thus Canada, or if they wanted to become their own nation, therefore they should have every right to seperate if they wish..... as those decisions were made for them by empires accross the ocean.
And even if they were given the choice to become a part of the British Empire or be their own nation, if they became their own nation, the British Empire would have taken them over anyways and therefore making the whole process pointless.
Oh it's pretty real, you just don't want to deal with it.
Wrong and no, it's not as simple as that.
First off, it's not Vast in any sense of the word, or else he'd have a majority now wouldn't he? That's correct.
Secondly, how much of those who voted actually voted for the Conservatives compared to all the other parties? Less then 50%..... once again.... not Vast.
Third, if the other parties in which the "Vast Majority" of the population who voted voted for got power, then that would be more closer to representational democracy then what we ever had in the past.
So of course you're wrong in your assumption and exaggerations.
If you're referring to Quebec and the Bloc as the enemy, then that is where you fail with your logic before you even begin. If you want this to be a unified nation and be all patriotic, then treat every province, every view, every culture with equality, fairness and respect their democratic rights, which also includes the desire to leave. If you keep treating them like "Enemies" then obviously they're never really going to want to stay here now are they?
Chicken and the Egg.
Well maybe as soon as the nation starts giving a damn about Canadians you might see things turn around.... until then, wtf should I or anybody else give a damn? It's been going down the crapper for decades.
And I love the fact that some seem to be so wound up about the Bloc having some position of power in our government as if that will suddenly give them some magical powers to destroy everything.
If that was really any kind of threat, don't you think they would have prevented any provincial political party such as the Bloc from ever stepping foot in our Canadian Government? Oh yeah, that's right.... you're not allowed to do that.
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Time to eat craw Harper...........................
Deb Grey, a former Canadian Alliance and Reform MP, urged Harper to go on national television and address the perceived failings of his economic strategy and say "you know, that probably wasn't right, but this is what we're going to do, and I want to make sure that the economy is the focus rather than all this inside baseball that nobody gives a sweet fig about. So if he did that, I think that maybe people would kind of retreat a little bit on the Hill and not take this over the edge."
Deb Grey, a former Canadian Alliance and Reform MP, urged Harper to go on national television and address the perceived failings of his economic strategy and say "you know, that probably wasn't right, but this is what we're going to do, and I want to make sure that the economy is the focus rather than all this inside baseball that nobody gives a sweet fig about. So if he did that, I think that maybe people would kind of retreat a little bit on the Hill and not take this over the edge."