Do Catholic Universities violate Muslims' 'human rights'?

[Icarus27k]

Why should CU have to create a Muslim Association on their own? If they did that then shouldn't they have to create a Pagan one? Wicca? Budism? Kilingon?

It's only fair.

Um, guy. A lot of campuses already have those things. Universities usually have campus ministry offices that overseas different religious associations like that. So, why do you seem to think that's an outrageous thing? That's what your rhetoric here is premised on.

Speaking of weak.

Make sure you ignore what the complaint details, and what other associations actually exist at the School. So you seem to be enlightened, or something...:roll:

Yes, I am fully aware of your goalpost moving.

When have I ever been talking about the complaint with the city in this thread, and not goings-on, on campus specifically? IOW, explain my goalpost moving. I ask, because I did no such thing.

 

[EagleSmack]

Um, guy. A lot of campuses already have those things. Universities usually have campus ministry offices that overseas different religious associations like that. So, why do you seem to think that's an outrageous thing? That's what your rhetoric here is premised on.

Your premise is that the CU Administration should create a Muslim student group alone. Why a Muslim group over a Wicca group?

Back to my other question. Don't students usually create student clubs?

 

[CDNBear]

I know you think CAIR is some evil organization or something, and that's funny. But sure, I'm all for accommodating the second largest religion at my alma mater, especially if Muslim students ask for it. I would encourage it in fact just based upon the fact it is a major religion.

Ummm...They didn't...

When have I ever been talking about the complaint with the city in this thread, and not goings-on, on campus specifically? IOW, explain my goalpost moving. I ask, because I did no such thing.

Feel free to carry on as you were...

 

[Icarus27k]

Your premise is that the CU Administration should create a Muslim student group alone. Why a Muslim group over a Wicca group?

Back to my other question. Don't students usually create student clubs?

That's not really my premise, but whatever. I actually said they should look into it and see if founding a Muslim Association is something they should do. Same as with other religions, which would include seeing if students want to found such a group. Knowing what I know about the campus, they would probably find some who want to.

 

[CDNBear]

That's not really my premise, but whatever. I actually said they should look into it and see if founding a Muslim Association is something they should do.

They did, they do.

Like I said, less than limited understanding of the issue.

 

[Icarus27k]

Ummm...They didn't...

Feel free to carry on as you were...

Yeah, you're going to have to explain how that's me moving goal posts. Or, just forget it, because what we have is a failure to communicate. You're assuming things about what I said, and vice versa, and it's a big mess.

They did, they do.

Like I said, less than limited understanding of the issue.

Well, I'm no longer arguing about this with you, and sarcastically talking about your understanding of anything as if to insult you (what you're doing to me).

 

[CDNBear]

Yeah, you're going to have to explain how that's me moving goal posts.

So you didn't insinuate that the students were behind the complaint?

You aren't under the impression that they have no association at present?

Or, just forget it, because what we have is a failure to communicate.

I agree, maybe if you got up to speed on the facts of the issue, you'd be able to communicate better.

Work on it.

You're assuming things about what I said, and vice versa, and it's a big mess.

I agree it's a mess, work on that. I'm assuming nothing. I took your words at face value. My mistake.

Well, I'm no longer arguing about this with you, and sarcastically talking about your understanding of anything as if to insult you (what you're doing to me).

Excellent cop out. Get back to me when you're up to speed.

 

[EagleSmack]

That's not really my premise, but whatever. I actually said they should look into it and see if founding a Muslim Association is something they should do. Same as with other religions, which would include seeing if students want to found such a group. Knowing what I know about the campus, they would probably find some who want to.

If there are some that want to then why wouldn't they? Based on what I know about college campuses it is the students that create a group and petition the university to have it recognized.

Or is it that you want to make special accomodations for certain students based on religion. Isn't that... well... discriminatory?

 

[CDNBear]

For the woefully under-informed.

http://www.cuatower.com/news/2011/10/20/university-accused-of-discriminating-against-muslims/

Wiaam Al Salmi, a Muslim student at CUA who recently started the Arab American Association, which had is first meeting this week, said, “The community here is very respectful of other religions and I feel free to openly practice it.”

Hmmm, the head of the Arab American assoc. at CUA, seems to be under the impression there's no discrimination.

As the number of Arabs has drastically increased over the past year, Al Salmi began this organization as a way to encourage American and Arab students to comfortably interact with one another. She found that Arab and American students have a difficult time befriending each other because people naturally gravitate towards others with similar backgrounds and interests. Although not limited to Muslim students, the Arab American Association has many Muslim members.

How reasonable.

“An important reason [that Muslims are gravitating towards Catholic universities] is that the Muslim students, especially those who are observant, feel comfortable and safe at the institution,” said President Garvey in an interview with NPR in December of 2010. “It’s a place where their own faith practices are mirrored by our own. And they feel both welcome and understood at the campus.”
“Even though it’s a Catholic school, a lot of its teachings are very similar to Islam,” said Al Salmi. “It teaches respect, community service, love, worship etc. which are things that Islam also teaches.”

Funny, the Muslims on campus don't seem to feel the same way the complainant does.

How odd...

 

[DaSleeper]

I don't see why liberals are getting their panties in a knot over this..
Catholic schools were created to cater to a specific group and the fact that besides providing a better quality of education and accepting other faiths into their midst is not enough to some people...they would like them to bend over (backwards??) and provide for other faiths???....Ridiculous to the extreme.

When muslim schools agree to the similar concessions (probably when hell freezes over)....then...and only then I will rethink my position:lol:

 

[BruSan]

So if I'm following along here; there are no muslim students attending University of Guelph Veterinary Studies where you might be required to actually touch a pig? You might not see them joining Nudist colonies or inside a Brewer's Retail or Bureau d'Alchool but they want to attend a Catholic School?

This professor needs his head handed to him for stirring a pot that hasn't even been put on the stove yet. Take away his assigned parking spot I say.

 

[taxslave]

Did anyone think to ask why a muslim would want to go to a catholic university? Kind of like buying a house under the flight path and complaining about the noise from the planes.

 

[CDNBear]

Did anyone think to ask why a muslim would want to go to a catholic university? Kind of like buying a house under the flight path and complaining about the noise from the planes.

From the horses mouth...

“An important reason [that Muslims are gravitating towards Catholic universities] is that the Muslim students, especially those who are observant, feel comfortable and safe at the institution,” said President Garvey in an interview with NPR in December of 2010. “It’s a place where their own faith practices are mirrored by our own. And they feel both welcome and understood at the campus.”

“Even though it’s a Catholic school, a lot of its teachings are very similar to Islam,” said Al Salmi. “It teaches respect, community service, love, worship etc. which are things that Islam also teaches.”

The Tower : University Accused of Discriminating Against Muslims

Al Salmi, is the head of the CUA Arab Student association.

 

[petros]

Did anyone think to ask why a Muslim would want to go to a Catholic University?

Scholarships?

Another good reason.....


Frank Zappa - Catholic Girls - YouTube

 

[taxslave]

From the horses mouth...

The Tower : University Accused of Discriminating Against Muslims

Al Salmi, is the head of the CUA Arab Student association.

Interesting. I would have never guessed. Perhaps there is hope as long as the extremists on both sides stay out of it.

 

[CDNBear]

Interesting. I would have never guessed. Perhaps there is hope as long as the extremists on both sides stay out of it.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[Corduroy]

Why should CU have to create a Muslim Association on their own? If they did that then shouldn't they have to create a Pagan one? Wicca? Budism? Kilingon?

It's only fair.

Or an atheist one. There should be a room where no one is allowed to pray and doing so would constitute a hate crime.

 

[EagleSmack]

I don't see why liberals are getting their panties in a knot over this..
Catholic schools were created to cater to a specific group and the fact that besides providing a better quality of education and accepting other faiths into their midst is not enough to some people...they would like them to bend over (backwards??) and provide for other faiths???....Ridiculous to the extreme.

When muslim schools agree to the similar concessions (probably when hell freezes over)....then...and only then I will rethink my position:lol:

Sleeper, Muslim schools would NEVER agree to things like this. The PC crowd would not even dare ask.

Wiaam Al Salmi, a Muslim student at CUA who recently started the Arab American Association, which had is first meeting this week, said, “The community here is very respectful of other religions and I feel free to openly practice it.”


“Even though it’s a Catholic school, a lot of its teachings are very similar to Islam,” said Al Salmi. “It teaches respect, community service, love, worship etc. which are things that Islam also teaches.”


That was from the CU Newspaper. This professor also filed suit saying single sex dorms are disciminatory. What a creep.

This professor doesn't even teach at CU, he teaches at GWU. He should concern himself with teaching school and keep his nose out of the student's after school activities.

 

[Icarus27k]

I don't see why liberals are getting their panties in a knot over this..
Catholic schools were created to cater to a specific group and the fact that besides providing a better quality of education and accepting other faiths into their midst is not enough to some people...they would like them to bend over (backwards??) and provide for other faiths???....Ridiculous to the extreme.

When muslim schools agree to the similar concessions (probably when hell freezes over)....then...and only then I will rethink my position:lol:

I'm just talking about it, and like I said before, my alma mater could be more accommodating to Muslims. Like, they have no legitimate reason to say they won't.

 

[EagleSmack]

I'm just talking about it, and like I said before, my alma mater could be more accommodating to Muslims. Like, they have no legitimate reason to say they won't.

The Muslim student that created the Muslim Group at CU doesn't feel there is a problem. I'd like your opinion on his comments.