Did Jesus Struggle Like you Do?
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Why is the rest of the world always to blame for one’s misfortune?
Does society promote that thought with psychiatrists finding all kinds of excuses for someone’s actions? And light sentences when a crime is committed?
When that car splashes water on you after a night of heavy rain, do you blame the driver? or do you think, if I had been walking away from the edge of the road, the water wouldn’t have reached me?
When you come to a crossroad, the choice is yours which road you take…………..
Does society promote that thought with psychiatrists finding all kinds of excuses for someone’s actions? And light sentences when a crime is committed?
When that car splashes water on you after a night of heavy rain, do you blame the driver? or do you think, if I had been walking away from the edge of the road, the water wouldn’t have reached me?
When you come to a crossroad, the choice is yours which road you take…………..
Pointless? Not open to tolerance, compassion and or the possibility of winning someone over to Jesus?
Demonstrating Jesus' compassion as He ate with sinners, forgave the adulterous women, Healed the blind, call the tax collector to follow Him, took the beatings, the mocking, the ridicule and finally, gave everything He had, even His soul in exchange for the salvation of humanity.
Are we representatives of such a wonderful array of sufferings in the demonstration of love?
What about if we say we are priests, ministers and layman who directly represent God to mankind, how shall we do it?
Col 3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
2Co 6:6 By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,
Does kindness, gentleness and soft answers help lead someone to maybe, at least, look at what one is saying and maybe see some truth to it?
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
Do you actually believe typing words over the net brings people to Christ? I believe our actions do more than our words, especially on discussion forums.
Are we representatives of such a wonderful array of sufferings in the demonstration of love?
What's so wonderful about suffering? As I wrote on this forum before, 6 million dead Jews, and 40 million abortion victims never benefited from their suffering.
Jesus did not suffer anything because he chose to undergo what he experienced. By contrast, those victims above did not chose their fate. That is why they suffered and he did not.
What's so wonderful about suffering? As I wrote on this forum before, 6 million dead Jews, and 40 million abortion victims never benefited from their suffering.
Jesus did not suffer anything because he chose to undergo what he experienced. By contrast, those victims above did not chose their fate. That is why they suffered and he did not.
I havee to admit, Mr Look, that I, and I assume, many others, have started to screen your posts out, simply because we all know exactly the kind of thing you'll be talking about. What would make me more inclined to hear your words would be that you talked in plain english, and about more things than God and Jesus. Much as I enjoy that kind of talk, I feel a man ought to have his feet on the ground before he puts his head in the clouds.
My dear brother Sanctus, are we not on the same team? Is not God our goal?
Are we not ministers of good to them that are without the source of comfort in a world riddled with confusion, pain and sufferring?
Are we to content over the net rather than to help, assist, introduce the love of God to mankind as a loving and a caring God?
What is your objective?
Peace>>>AJ
What's so wonderful about suffering? As I wrote on this forum before, 6 million dead Jews, and 40 million abortion victims never benefited from their suffering. Jesus did not suffer anything because he chose to undergo what he experienced. By contrast, those victims above did not chose their fate. That is why they suffered and he did not.>>> gopher
You are an intelligent individual that had to learn by suffering? Did you ever burn the mid-night oil? Did you not experience good things and bad things that help shape your thoughts and beliefs?
Truly, suffering is a catalyst to learning by experience, and without it, there would be no growth, no learning but a mere animal, just existing.
Bless the heavens that gave you the ability to think and also the ability to choose from two extremes.
Without it, you would be nothing.
Mankind suffers to the extreme many times for the reasons of selfishness, of power, riches and personal gratification.
That is why the saying goes: “one tree can make a million matches, but it only takes one match to destroy a thousand trees”.
One bad apple ruins the whole bushel if not removed.
God provides all the comforts for the soul, and mankind provides the comforts for the flesh.
The two are at odds with each other, so the question is, which one will prevail?
If we have a child that we give instruction to growing up, and that child grows up to be a serial killer, is it the fault of the parents? Neither is Gods!
Peace>>>AJ
You are an intelligent individual that had to learn by suffering? Did you ever burn the mid-night oil? Did you not experience good things and bad things that help shape your thoughts and beliefs?
Truly, suffering is a catalyst to learning by experience, and without it, there would be no growth, no learning but a mere animal, just existing.
Bless the heavens that gave you the ability to think and also the ability to choose from two extremes.
Without it, you would be nothing.
Mankind suffers to the extreme many times for the reasons of selfishness, of power, riches and personal gratification.
That is why the saying goes: “one tree can make a million matches, but it only takes one match to destroy a thousand trees”.
One bad apple ruins the whole bushel if not removed.
God provides all the comforts for the soul, and mankind provides the comforts for the flesh.
The two are at odds with each other, so the question is, which one will prevail?
If we have a child that we give instruction to growing up, and that child grows up to be a serial killer, is it the fault of the parents? Neither is Gods!
Peace>>>AJ
Well, my good friend, that is a choice your free to make.
I try to stay within the limits of the Spiritual threads and abide there in.
Spirituality is what I deal with and that is my cup of tea.
Who ever comes within these threads of spirituality to discuss it, then, they have one of two possibilities, 1. They actually believe in God but are not convinced and or 2. Believe in God but have views to share…..otherwise, why bother?
Talking in plain English is to speak without the message which is spiritual. God is a word in English but has no meaning unless it is spiritually discerned.
I am here to offer insight to the spiritual qualities of God as pertaining to mankind without any selfish motives. I could if I desired start up a church and make my living off the congregations money, who knows perhaps even go nation wide on television and make boo-ckoo’s amount of money.
But if I can help a person reach inside themselves and find the God that is made available to them, they shall have peace.
Peace>>>AJ
you're more likely to help a person if you can connect to them, hence my advice to you. You're not really reaching anyone here by staying in certain threads and pontificating.
I present the news and let God decide who recieves it. For He knows your heart better than I do, and I can tell right now, you ain't receiving.
So, let the chips fall where they may.
Peace>>>AJ
``Mankind suffers to the extreme many times for the reasons of selfishness, of power, riches and personal gratification.``
When you can prove to me that 6 million dead Jews and 40 million abortion victims brought suffering upon themselves and benefited from it, then I'll gladly believe you.
When you can prove to me that 6 million dead Jews and 40 million abortion victims brought suffering upon themselves and benefited from it, then I'll gladly believe you.
Ah my friend, can you not see it? Mankind has brought it upon itself as in Hilter bringing it upon humanity.
Humanity upon humanity.
Blame God? Never. Blame humanity, Yes!
People suffer under an evil rule.
Tell me that is not so?
Peace>>>AJ
You need to re-read the Bible where you would learn that God boasts of being the exclusive creater of ALL evil in Isaiah 45:7. If it wasn't for him, there would be no Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Bush, or Reagan and the world would be in a lot better shape.
ISA 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Besides the physical world there is the spiritual world.
We have to look at single verses in light of the whole bible to see if it fits the theme, the design the thought and or the spiritual trail of what it is trying to convey.
Many folks look at certain verses without the knowledge of the rest of the bible and conclude what it literally says as definitely the way it is.
I will show you the spiritual side of that verse which is in harmony with the rest of the bible and with what I have been saying.
….I form the light….: Can be seen as the creation of the Sun, the moon and the stars.
Which when viewed spiritually, it is God’s presences shining as like light or as knowledge.
… and create darkness… spiritually speaking is a void of His presence or lack of knowledge.
… I make peace… is God describing Judas Iscariot as peace : LUK 22:48 But Jesus said unto him, Judas, betrayest thou the Son of man with a kiss?
PSA 85:10 Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other.
Mercy is Christ, peace is Judas and they both met to fulfill prophecy you just read in the book of Psalms.
… and create evil…is Jesus laden with the worlds sins as Jesus become the evil of the whole world.
The Jewish animal sacrifices were a picture of this one great event for all time, of which Jesus became the sacrificial lamb; one which God created to take the power of evil to deny souls entrance to heaven.
Of course, it is not expected for you to understand what I said unless you are able to think spiritually which can only be accomplished by a belief in God.
The world, which when said that way, knows not God and can not be expected to know God, unless God first gives mankind the opportunity to know Him by the written word, and by His Holy Spirit.
You have that same opportunity I have because you quoted me a scripture reference, so that gives you no excuse for not knowing Him.
That had been taken into account justifying the sacrifice of Jesus on yours and mine behalf.
That is good news.
Peace>>>AJ
Thanks for quoting again from the Bible which proves that this same God boasts of creating all evil -- it proves my point.
Again my friend, you can not see it.
Evil is created by mankind of which God uses as a tool.
Jesus was brought into the picture to create a body by which the power and strenght of mankinds evil would be destroyed to the benefit of mankind.
Otherwise, mankind was without a prayer.
Now I am going to make a statment that shows the nature of God using mankinds words:
"There is no way in hell that God would do evil".
I am about to prove that statment correct.
Jesus had hell on earth for in it He was beaten and crucified, yet, being the Son of God He rendered no evil but rather love in return.
If Jesus is the true representative of God in hell, then by nature of His actions, gives us the true nature of the creator.
Peace>>>AJ
Mankind is inherently evil?
then answer this logical progression:
* God create humanity in his own image
* humanity is inherently evil
** therefore: God is inherently evil
does this not follow logically?
answer: yes it does
Remember that the Bible clearly and unequivocally show that God has duality. This is why the root for the number two is the same root as the word for God in many Western languages.
then answer this logical progression:
* God create humanity in his own image
* humanity is inherently evil
** therefore: God is inherently evil
does this not follow logically?
answer: yes it does
Remember that the Bible clearly and unequivocally show that God has duality. This is why the root for the number two is the same root as the word for God in many Western languages.
There is one big problem between God and us in knowing good and evil, and that is that we are in the flesh and God isn't.
For when He was in the flesh, as Jesus, He demonstrated nothing but love and forgiveness.
While the opposite is true with mankind who crucified Him.
Peace>>>AJ