Did Jesus Struggle Like you Do?

snfu73

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```there is a lack of true understanding of what the love of God is.```

Not really. The problem is God, not anyone or anything else.

Consider: does a loving father ever sacrifice his children for his own selfish reason? Of course, not.

Yet, this same god who is the creator of all evil but who insists that he is the most loving thing anywhere laughingly sacrifices his children for his good. Are those the actions of a loving father??

Certainly not.
Agreed. As well, if god is a entity that cannot be questioned, who seems to rule with an iron fist, who many people fear and work so hard to try and please, who seems to control so many lives...is judge, jury and executioner all rolled into one....is this REALLY a loving, caring god? Or is he/she a control freak? Can one be a servant to a master...and still have a loving relationship, based on respect, understanding, and openness? I argue NO WAY! This is not my god, and will never BE my god.
 

look3467

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```there is a lack of true understanding of what the love of God is.```

Not really. The problem is God, not anyone or anything else.

Consider: does a loving father ever sacrifice his children for his own selfish reason? Of course, not.

Yet, this same god who is the creator of all evil but who insists that he is the most loving thing anywhere laughingly sacrifices his children for his good. Are those the actions of a loving father??

Certainly not.

The problem was God's, but He fixed it by recreation of a new Adam and Eve.

The ability for you and I to have a matter of choice came with a consequence at the beginning with the first human being, but at a particular point in time, the remedy came and corrected the situation.

You all’s abilities to have a free choice to your own life is a product of the first creation.
That first creation is the flesh.
The ability to experience a new creation’s life is the product the second creation man. (That man being the spiritual man in the flesh, or the Son of God or God Himself)

The second creation man Jesus, rectified the first by providing a body to house the entire human race, and save it from eternal peril.

Now, of course I don’t expect many of you to believe what I said, but again, that’s what life is all about, free choice.

Either way my friends, your soul for whatever value you place on it, was worth dying for.

The sacrifice of the Son of God was a sacrifice of Love, offered voluntarily by Jesus, since He had a choice also, but never succumbed to it.

You all know this verse: Joh 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Well, would we not consider the love Jesus has for all of us that He freely offered to pay for the penalty of eternal death for us?
At the risk of His own soul, He by faith won the battle for us.

That is the story you find in the bible that surpasses all humanistic intellectual, scientific minds.
All of it is God’s anyways. There is no conflict between God and science, just between man’s will and God’s.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:
 

sanctus

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Are you SURE you are a father? I mean...geez! What the heck? What kind of a priest talks like this to people, dude? Ask yourself...WWJD?? Would he condone this?

Well "dude", I'm quite sure I'm a father, and this is that kind of priest. Many do, and Jesus would too. One gets tired of half-baked opinions based on emotionalism as a justification for writing idiotic statements about the Church or the Scriptures from people who clearly are not versed in the subject matter.

In this person's case, my point is clear. The man is clearly ill-prepared to offer any sort of an exegesis on the Scriptures, so one has to wonder why people like him bother?!
 

SwitSof

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Well "dude", I'm quite sure I'm a father, and this is that kind of priest. Many do, and Jesus would too. One gets tired of half-baked opinions based on emotionalism as a justification for writing idiotic statements about the Church or the Scriptures from people who clearly are not versed in the subject matter.

In this person's case, my point is clear. The man is clearly ill-prepared to offer any sort of an exegesis on the Scriptures, so one has to wonder why people like him bother?!

At best this young man (MinorityObserver84) is just ignorant or unknowledgable about the Scriptures, so why not enlighten him and even not only him, who don't know and can be taught.
If you can't be bothered to teach the ignorance, well I guess just be short and say so, not to be short-tempered ;)
I must admit I don't reckon sarcasm brings your message that far...

When I was in Japan, some Japanese were attracted to the warmth and kindness projected by Christians and that's why some Japanese were interested to join this kind of community. But those were not kind words what you replied to MinorityObserver84, sanctus, and he was challenging (the Scriptures) but still he didn't sound non-sensible to me...
 

SwitSof

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```there is a lack of true understanding of what the love of God is.```

Not really. The problem is God, not anyone or anything else.

Consider: does a loving father ever sacrifice his children for his own selfish reason? Of course, not.

Yet, this same god who is the creator of all evil but who insists that he is the most loving thing anywhere laughingly sacrifices his children for his good. Are those the actions of a loving father??

Certainly not.

Gopher, I thought you're religious!? 8O
 

gopher

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``Gopher, I thought you're religious!?``

Spiritual is a better term. I'm Catholic but with a small 'c'. Like everyone else in the Bible, I have my conflicts with God's ways. What did the Psalmist say to him? What did every prophet say? Each objected to his harsh and cruel ways. Did it make them any less religious? Do the Scriptures say they deserve less rewards for their work? Even Jesus said God abandoned him in the end. Therefore, objecting to God's cruel ways is a sign of being religious, contrary to what some Christian professing people such as AJ may believe.

As I think about it, yours is an excellent question. And I bet my reply will get some people to think about this matter.

Thanks for your query. :)
 

look3467

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What if I wanted to get my car repaired, and knew a little about what the problem was and told the mechanic, where I believed the problem was. Do you think that He might know better and indulge me kindly?

Or would He say, “Look here, I am the mechanic here and I know my stuff because I went to school on it, so if you want to fix your own car, get educated!”

Otherwise, go find yourself another mechanic who thinks is a mechanic.

To understand the love of God, one needs to know Gods word. And God word demonstrates that He is merciful, patient, kind, slow to anger, long suffering.

These are the attributes invested in those who walk in the word of God: Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Gal 6:10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.


What individual, with a right mind, religious or not, turn down those sayings above as not good traits to have?

Truly, the one who exercises those traits though not being religious would enter heaven easier than the one who is religious and exercises not.

This words are addressed in the bible as these: Mat 10:15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

Though we may know allot about a subject, yet if we don’t exercise kindness, patience, meekness, goodness, temperance and love, what good then is all our knowledge if we don’t share it with others?

Another verse: 1Co 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:




 

Unforgiven

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Agreed. As well, if god is a entity that cannot be questioned, who seems to rule with an iron fist, who many people fear and work so hard to try and please, who seems to control so many lives...is judge, jury and executioner all rolled into one....is this REALLY a loving, caring god

Sounds more like a man who doesn't have all the answers nor the patients to take the time to answer them. Far easier to say ask no questions.
 

snfu73

disturber of the peace
Well "dude", I'm quite sure I'm a father, and this is that kind of priest. Many do, and Jesus would too. One gets tired of half-baked opinions based on emotionalism as a justification for writing idiotic statements about the Church or the Scriptures from people who clearly are not versed in the subject matter.

In this person's case, my point is clear. The man is clearly ill-prepared to offer any sort of an exegesis on the Scriptures, so one has to wonder why people like him bother?!
What did Jesus do as he was flogged? He turned the other cheek. If he truly is wrong, which I am not saying he is or it is not, it will all come out in the wash...no?

What IS your god teaching you? What kind of Jesus do you have pictured in YOUR mind?
 

Unforgiven

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I was just pulling your leg, curious why your nick is "Unforgiven", but am not THAT curious if you don't want to tell anyway :p
I think you misread what I was writing before... well you're forgiven anyway! :lol:

Yeah ok, for what? What is it that I did that you need to forgive me for? Or don't you know?
 

sanctus

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At best this young man (MinorityObserver84) is just ignorant or unknowledgable about the Scriptures, so why not enlighten him and even not only him, who don't know and can be taught.
If you can't be bothered to teach the ignorance, well I guess just be short and say so, not to be short-tempered ;)
I must admit I don't reckon sarcasm brings your message that far.....
Because this sort of exchange on the internet is pointless and is not conducive to an open debate. Each person arrives here with a pre-determined point of view, and nothing I write will change that in him or you.Rather, these sorts of exchanges encourages people to look for points in rebuttal, thinking this equates to discussion.