Did Jesus Struggle Like you Do?

[Unforgiven]

Fortunately, my current understanding is that you will be at the same place I am. But physically speaking, a person who does not believe in God is spiritually dead. Where as I am spiritually alive because I do believe in God.

The difference is "when" the rebirth takes place. The rebirth can be done here and now, and enjoy the benefits of the kingdom, or at death without ever experiencing the joy of salvation while yet in the flesh.
But God being a loving God has given us the ability to choose, and that He that, He respects because He fixed it to where your soul would be saved at death.

Here's the verses: Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Phi 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

You see my friend, there is no escape from God! Better to know Him now and receive from bountifully all the joys of His kingdom while yet on earth.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

Which is an odd things don't you think? I am spiritually very alive and feeling it in many ways. Though I neither go to a church, pay a church some money, spend tie praying to someone else. Spiritually I'm uplifted every time my daughter and I play a song together. Or when I look into my wife's beautiful eyes. Or when I see my son and his girl friend put their heads together like two little love birds and know that he feels about her the way I feel about my wife and that he feels that way in part because of my guidance and mentoring.
I feel it when I put my arm around someone who is failing and lift them up a little just long enough for them to gain their feet again and carry on.

Spiritually I feel just as I've always felt, fine.

As for bountiful joys, I think I've had them all. I have two great kids, a boy and a girl. I've watched them grow into fine upstanding and productive adults. I married my soul mate who I found at the ripe old age of 21 and have grown to be more in love with her each day since.

I've tasted the best of cooking, wine, spirits and the cold pure water right off a glacier after a hard morning of hiking in the mountains and looked at the curve of the earth through my own eyes.

I've stood so still and quiet in the forest that deer have walked to within feet of me and not even noticed I was there. Enjoyed unconditional love of a dog, the thrill of being on the very edge of my abilities and found the peace that comes form finding perfect silence and solitude so that all I could hear was the sound of the Earth.

If I were to be struck down this very moment, I would be content and feel the loss of nothing. I know I'll live on in the hearts of those I've loved in my life and there is nothing that I have left undone. So when I look around and see so many that haven't even a sliver of the joy in my spirit, forgive me for not buying into the idea that I own a big debt for something thousands of years ago that I have no choice over and and obligation to someone who feels they need to collect some debt from me.

 

[Minority Observer84]

LOL , yes he did struggle human suffering is a terrible thing isn't it too bad the world is so full of it .
People Make me laugh with what they believe , not just christians but muslims jews and other theists . Do you listen to yourselves ? You think that the universe was created by a an Uber Being (Whose very powers of omnipotence and omniscience create disturbing paradoxes ) who for some reason cannot show himself on a regular basis to people to prove he exists . You think that this super being while kind and caring is gona torture people that do not accept him based on faith alone (And ignore stuff like the fossil record ) and that this super being actually cares what you do and what you believe , we are all atheists i just go one god further than you (there are thousands of human deities that you ignore each and every day ) The bible and the koran are full of supernatural claims not to mention violent and often sexist content . Both are meant to be the absoulte word of god yet they are both so filled with hatefull , sexist , racist , and downright murderous content .
Think today if someone went camping and said he saw and angel in a cave or that he was the son of god they'd be locked up . Isn't it convenient that all these miracles took place a long time ago and left no evidence ?
All these things do not matter because to discuss god using logic with a theist is like discussing the material strength of the gingerbread house with an engineer .
God is imaginary . man created god not the other way around but don't let logic or science disrupt your conversation with your imaginary friend .

Interesting link :
http://www.godisimaginary.com/
Ignore the name and read the information on that page if your open minded you might begin to understand how much of a waste religion is .

 

[Minority Observer84]

In reply to sanctus's Neocon BS :
Here are some quotes from your bible i've even referenced them they are the uglier parts that you don't like to talk about but continue to talk down at others for believing the same kind of intolerant BS you do :

Deut 25:11-12


11 If men get into a fight with one another, and the wife of one intervenes to rescue her husband from the grip of his opponent by reaching out and seizing his genitals, 12you shall cut off her hand; show no pity.



^^ Does this even make sense ?

Gen 38:8-10

8Then Judah said to Onan, ‘Go in to your brother’s wife and perform the duty of a brother-in-law to her; raise up offspring for your brother.’ 9But since Onan knew that the offspring would not be his, he spilled his semen on the ground whenever he went in to his brother’s wife, so that he would not give offspring to his brother. 10What he did was displeasing in the sight of the Lord, and he put him to death also.




^^^ again nonsense




Deut 21:18-21


18 If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father and mother, who does not heed them when they discipline him, 19then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his town at the gate of that place. 20They shall say to the elders of his town, ‘This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.’ 21Then all the men of the town shall stone him to death. So you shall purge the evil from your midst; and all Israel will hear, and be afraid.




^^^ stoning kids to death how progressive of you ?




Ex 35:2


2 For six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a holy sabbath of solemn rest to the Lord; whoever does any work on it shall be put to death.




^^^^ you guys must be busy with all the sabbath killings .



Lev 20:13

13If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them

^^^^ Right By all means kill all the gays people just like us who refuse to see the world the way we do how tolerant and progressive of you .


Isaiah 13:13-16


13Therefore I will make the heavens tremble,
and the earth will be shaken out of its place,
at the wrath of the Lord of hosts
on the day of his fierce anger.
14Like a hunted gazelle,
or like sheep with no one to gather them,
all will turn to their own people,
and all will flee to their own lands.
15Whoever is found will be thrust through,
and whoever is caught will fall by the sword.
16Their infants will be dashed to pieces
before their eyes;
their houses will be plundered,
and their wives ravished.




^^^^^ Rape Murder and infanticide all in one verse talk about space saving hatred .

Ex 21:20-21


20 When a slave-owner strikes a male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies immediately, the owner shall be punished. 21But if the slave survives for a day or two, there is no punishment; for the slave is the owner’s property.




^^^ Ah this verse is all too clear , see you can beat your slaves just don;t kill em .


1Tim 2:11-12

11Let a woman* learn in silence with full submission. 12I permit no woman* to teach or to have authority over a man;* she is to keep silent.




^^^^ Female rights at their finest




Col 3:22-24

22Slaves, obey your earthly masters* in everything, not only while being watched and in order to please them, but wholeheartedly, fearing the Lord.* 23Whatever your task, put yourselves into it, as done for the Lord and not for your masters,* 24since you know that from the Lord you will receive the inheritance as your reward; you serve* the Lord Christ.




^^^^^ How nice god is telling slaves how to be good .

Luke 14:26

26‘Whoever comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and even life itself, cannot be my disciple.




^^^^^ another self contradiction god is on a role you never know where this book is gona go next .
Deut 22:13-21


13 Suppose a man marries a woman, but after going in to her, he dislikes her 14and makes up charges against her, slandering her by saying, ‘I married this woman; but when I lay with her, I did not find evidence of her virginity.’ 15The father of the young woman and her mother shall then submit the evidence of the young woman’s virginity to the elders of the city at the gate. 16The father of the young woman shall say to the elders: ‘I gave my daughter in marriage to this man but he dislikes her; 17now he has made up charges against her, saying, “I did not find evidence of your daughter’s virginity.” But here is the evidence of my daughter’s virginity.’ Then they shall spread out the cloth before the elders of the town. 18The elders of that town shall take the man and punish him; 19they shall fine him one hundred shekels of silver (which they shall give to the young woman’s father) because he has slandered a virgin of Israel. She shall remain his wife; he shall not be permitted to divorce her as long as he lives.
20 If, however, this charge is true, that evidence of the young woman’s virginity was not found, 21then they shall bring the young woman out to the entrance of her father’s house and the men of her town shall stone her to death, because she committed a disgraceful act in Israel by prostituting herself in her father’s house. So you shall purge the evil from your midst.




^^^^^^^ So i see women that have sex out of wed lock should be stoned again very progressive and liberal .


Isaiah 40:8


8The grass withers, the flower fades;
but the word of our God will stand for ever.




^^^^^^ I thought it fitting to end with the claim of timelessness just so that no one stats talking about how it was written in another time where out modern values did not apply .

P.S quotes are from www.godisimaginary.com

 

[sanctus]

In reply to sanctus's Neocon BS :
Here are some quotes from your bible i've even referenced them they are the uglier parts that you don't like to talk about but continue to talk down at others for believing the same kind of intolerant BS you do :

Deut 25:11-12

Wow. You've got me! I'll quit the church right now. You're so wise! Twit.

 

[Minority Observer84]

Wow. You've got me! I'll quit the church right now. You're so wise! Twit.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones , you shouldn't talk down about all the violence and hatred in the Quran and Disregard the hatred violence sexism racism rape infanticide ....... that can be found in the bible . You are both wrong slaves to something that mankind has created .

 

[look3467]

Minority Observer84

Well, you surely picked all the negative stuff about God. I mean that is enough o discredit Him completely.
But surely, you missed all the good stuff because you weren't looking for it.

Quote: Deut 25:11-12
11 If men get into a fight with one another, and the wife of one intervenes to rescue her husband from the grip of his opponent by reaching out and seizing his genitals, 12you shall cut off her hand; show no pit

If one realized what the law did to mankind's minds you would understand what all that was about.

The first first verse of that chapter gives the reasons for the way it is written: Deu 25:1 If there be a controversy between men, and they come unto judgment, that the judges may judge them; then they shall justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked.

Much of that was man made laws. God gave us ten and mankind added some 750 others.
It became to stifling, the law did and was such a heavy burden that the people suffered needlessly.

But God in Jesus came to change all that, and for that He was crucified, but not first complying with the letter of the law. (Ten Commandments)

So, if one is looking to bash God, then there is ample room to do so by verses alone.

But on the other side, God reveals Himself as a Loving God and willing to forgive us our trespasses against Him.

And, He proved it in Jesus.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[Minority Observer84]

The verses i picked i selcted for two reasons :
1) I'am sick of hearing right wing bibloholics underling verses of intolerance and hatred from the quoran and ignoring all the evil deeds and ideas in the bible .
2) I wanted to prove that the bible is not the ultimate or perfect even though it's suposed to be the literal word of a perfect being (I could insert so much sarcasm here but what a waste logic would be )

Of Course you are right when you say i want to discredit the bible , frankly it offends me that people continue to put more stock in a book written 2000 years ago- by people they have never met and will never get the chance to question -than in scientific evidence or the nature of the world around them , but what people believe is up to them i'am merely trying to open some eyes and shock some people into asking questions.

But God in Jesus came to change all that, and for that He was crucified, but not first complying with the letter of the law. (Ten Commandments)

So, if one is looking to bash God, then there is ample room to do so by verses alone.

But on the other side, God reveals Himself as a Loving God and willing to forgive us our trespasses against Him.

He proved it in Jesus.

The bible is either the absolute word of "god" or it isn't you can't claim that some sections of it are holy and other are not .
Don't you think that the fact i use his own book to display his falsity alone proves that it's just a book no more holy than the any other writing we have from that age?
Sorry Loving and forgiving is not the impression that comes across in the bible , hell and enternal pain that sounds a lot closer to the mark , not to mention all the killing that "god" instructs you to do in his name .
He proved nothing , we only know that jesus existed that is all HISTORY records that there was a man with a similar life story the miracles are all in the bible so if you agree that it is not holy and not the literal and absolute word of god then all these "miracles: could have been faked inserted there in later years to make the simple more likely to accept . If God actually revealed himself to us on a regular basis (at the vatican every sunday for example ) we would not be having this conversation but 2000 years and not a single group credited sighting shy fellow anit he ?

"With Extraordinary claims comes the need for extraordinary proof " that is what this entire debate is all about where is the evidence , of course there are non no more evidence than for the existance of allah , Vinshu , Zeus or satan or my childhood imaginary friend bob .

 

[sanctus]

The verses i picked i selcted for two reasons :
1) I'am sick of hearing right wing bibloholics underling verses of intolerance and hatred from the quoran and ignoring all the evil deeds and ideas in the bible .

Before selecting verses out of context to their purpose, try spending a few minutes learning how to spell correctly.

2) I wanted to prove that the bible is not the ultimate or perfect even though it's suposed to be the literal word of a perfect being (I could insert so much sarcasm here but what a waste logic would be )

Who told you the Scriptures contained the literal word of God? I can see your lack of knowledge in this area is enormous. Why don't you go and read a comic book and leave historical documents to the scholars?

Of Course you are right when you say i want to discredit the bible , frankly it offends me that people continue to put more stock in a book written 2000 years ago- by people they have never met and will never get the chance to question -than in scientific evidence or the nature of the world around them , but what people believe is up to them i'am merely trying to open some eyes and shock some people into asking questions.

Again, lack of knowledge on your part. The Scriptures were not, as a whole, written two thousand years ago. Tell you what, when you come back to this, or any other, thread with facts I'll be more than happy to discuss your views. Until that time, it is clear you are not fully conversant on the Scriptures, at least not enough to hold such firm opinions based on so little knowledge.

 

[sanctus]

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones , you shouldn't talk down about all the violence and hatred in the Quran and Disregard the hatred violence sexism racism rape infanticide ....... that can be found in the bible . You are both wrong slaves to something that mankind has created .

Well, how wise of you to share your knowledge with us. How terribly enlightened I now am!

Now go and play with your toys like a good boy and stop jumping into the adults' conversation.

 

[Minority Observer84]

Before selecting verses out of context to their purpose, try spending a few minutes learning how to spell correctly.

I'll ignore you jibe at my spelling because it's a cheap shot .
Out of context you say , fine disprove my points :
"God" is comfortable with the idea of slavery and instead of asking his followers to free the slaves tells them how to treat them and he goes so far as to instruct the slaves on how to be good little whipping boys .

"God" on more than one occasion orders people to death and and according to some accounts actually commits the killing himself despite his Thou should not kill commandment .
"God" Finds women to be inferior and not worthy of the same treatment as men .
"God" Incites pain , torture and puishment that would make corparl punishment look like a joke .

Who told you the Scriptures contained the literal word of God? I can see your lack of knowledge in this area is enormous. Why don't you go and read a comic book and leave historical documents to the scholars?

Comic book ? another cheap shot why don't you grow up i know your much older than I yet you argue your point of view like my five year old niece .

Again, lack of knowledge on your part. The Scriptures were not, as a whole, written two thousand years ago. Tell you what, when you come back to this, or any other, thread with facts I'll be more than happy to discuss your views. Until that time, it is clear you are not fully conversant on the Scriptures, at least not enough to hold such firm opinions based on so little knowledge.

Finally and answer that doesn't involve calling me names i see somone must have matured overnight
You are Right i do not know for a fact that the bible was written 2000 years ago as a matter of fact since jesus was born about 2000 years ago it's not very likely , the historical error does not negate the overall point .

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

"
"God" is comfortable with the idea of slavery and instead of asking his followers to free the slaves tells them how to treat them and he goes so far as to instruct the slaves on how to be good little whipping boys .

"God" on more than one occasion orders people to death and and according to some accounts actually commits the killing himself despite his Thou should not kill commandment .
"God" Finds women to be inferior and not worthy of the same treatment as men .
"God" Incites pain , torture and puishment that would make corparl punishment look like a joke.
"


Well maybe some guy in a comic like book, but definatly not my God.

 

[look3467]

The verses i picked i selcted for two reasons :
1) I'am sick of hearing right wing bibloholics underling verses of intolerance and hatred from the quoran and ignoring all the evil deeds and ideas in the bible .>>> Minority Observer84

It is understandable why you should feel that way. Simply because there is a lack of true understanding of what the love of God is.

People reflect who or what they are and believe. If a claim is made to be a Christian, and the actions don’t agree with it, then God is blamed. Much like when a person does something evil, the tendency is to blame the devil.
But what ever happened to that person, what responsibility did he own up to?

The bible was written by like human beings with faults much as like you and I. The inspiration to write what was written was from God and mankind.
God chooses to show both sides of the equation with the end result being that He alone can unlock the secrets of His word.
An individual truly seeking to know Him will find Him to be loving, compassionate and caring in every sense of the word.
And He will reveal His secrets to you as like golden nuggets. I know, for I find Him blessing me constantly and always showing me the better way.

2) I wanted to prove that the bible is not the ultimate or perfect even though it's suposed to be the literal word of a perfect being (I could insert so much sarcasm here but what a waste logic would be )>>>Minority Observer84

Again, the bible was written by flawed human beings with flawed understandings. God inspired them to write according to His will, and thus was so done.
If you seek to understand God by the flawed methods of writings, you see what you now see, but if you read and study with respect towards God, you will see the real message as given to understand by the Holy Spirit of God.

All that you questioned about the way things were written were my questions as well. But that was only for me to wonder, and to further seek the truth of the matter with keen interest in God’s works and ways.
He has of course granted me understandings which I am well pleased with, and in which I find to be in harmony with His character. That being love.

Of Course you are right when you say i want to discredit the bible , frankly it offends me that people continue to put more stock in a book written 2000 years ago- by people they have never met and will never get the chance to question -than in scientific evidence or the nature of the world around them , but what people believe is up to them i'am merely trying to open some eyes and shock some people into asking questions.>>> Minority Observer84

They have good reason to place their faith in the bible; after all, it is the generations after the crucifixion that have to deal with it.
God chose the day and time in human history to reveal Himself to mankind by way of Abraham down to the Jesus who is the express image of God.

The bible is either the absolute word of "god" or it isn't you can't claim that some sections of it are holy and other are not.>>> Minority Observer84

I can truly say in faith that the bible is the inspired word of God by which all mankind can find God with.
A map: a path, a way and an example on living on the road to heaven.

Don't you think that the fact i use his own book to display his falsity alone proves that it's just a book no more holy than the any other writing we have from that age?>>> Minority Observer84The

The fact is, that you are speaking without understanding, and solely making judgments based on the limited knowledge and understandings of the word of God, the bible.
But you know what? That is the beginnings of wisdom.
Without question, how can anybody learn anything?
Keep seeking and keep asking questions, your heart, if sincere will be satisfied when God touches it.
Luk 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.

Sorry Loving and forgiving is not the impression that comes across in the bible , hell and enternal pain that sounds a lot closer to the mark , not to mention all the killing that "god" instructs you to do in his name .>>>Minority Observer84

If I understand the bible correctly, God is the God of Love. How so? Well, all of humanity regardless of who they are, the caveman to the Pharaohs of Egypt, to the Rabbi’s, the Buddha’s and the Pope, the Son of the most High God paid the price of forgiveness for, all lumped into one body, and that body was the body of Jesus Christ.

If then, all mankind are included, tell me, what religious belief is the true one?
Why would God say love your enemies if He hated them?

You see, there is more to just words written, there is the Spirit of God who touches the souls heart in mankind and is the revealer of understandings.

He proved nothing , we only know that jesus existed that is all HISTORY records that there was a man with a similar life story the miracles are all in the bible so if you agree that it is not holy and not the literal and absolute word of god then all these "miracles: could have been faked inserted there in later years to make the simple more likely to accept . If God actually revealed himself to us on a regular basis (at the vatican every sunday for example ) we would not be having this conversation but 2000 years and not a single group credited sighting shy fellow anit he ? >>> Minority Observer84

To me He proves who God is, and I live and breathe by that proof. That proof is love, for God so loved the world that He gave His only Son for us.Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

That was and is a gift waiting to be received to whomever!

"With Extraordinary claims comes the need for extraordinary proof " that is what this entire debate is all about where is the evidence , of course there are non no more evidence than for the existance of allah , Vinshu , Zeus or satan or my childhood imaginary friend bob >>> Minority Observer84

The only proof I need is how He touched my heart and the peace and comfort He gives me in the midst of a hellish environment, mainly created by mankind’s greed and lustful desires.

Any evidence of the existence of God to the human heart is in the touch of the Holy Spirit. Otherwise, there can be no faith in God.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

"
"God" is comfortable with the idea of slavery and instead of asking his followers to free the slaves tells them how to treat them and he goes so far as to instruct the slaves on how to be good little whipping boys .

"God" on more than one occasion orders people to death and and according to some accounts actually commits the killing himself despite his Thou should not kill commandment .
"God" Finds women to be inferior and not worthy of the same treatment as men .
"God" Incites pain , torture and puishment that would make corparl punishment look like a joke.
"


Well maybe some guy in a comic like book, but definatly not my God.

I'm not comfortable with that reply....sorry it's my ongoing struggle....

trying this :
Well maybe some comic book interpratation of God, but definatly not my God...
Dunno seems I've dissed two people with my struggle...not the intent of either posts....apologises if it offends.


this thread does makes me tink aboud id

 

[look3467]

Mankind has slaves, God doesn't. But He says, if you are a slave, be a good slave. If you are a task master, be a good task master.1Pe 2:18 Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.

Did not Jesus submit to the cruelty of mankind? Was not He a slave to their whelms? Well, there you have it, even God Himself in the person body of flesh, submitted as a servant to mankind in order to raise mankind up to the status of freedom, from underneath the bondage which sin held us under.Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Now tell me, where does slavery come from?
Question, can one be a slave and yet be free? Think about that one before you answer.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[gopher]

```there is a lack of true understanding of what the love of God is.```

Not really. The problem is God, not anyone or anything else.

Consider: does a loving father ever sacrifice his children for his own selfish reason? Of course, not.

Yet, this same god who is the creator of all evil but who insists that he is the most loving thing anywhere laughingly sacrifices his children for his good. Are those the actions of a loving father??

Certainly not.

 

[SwitSof]

Which is an odd things don't you think? I am spiritually very alive and feeling it in many ways. Though I neither go to a church, pay a church some money, spend tie praying to someone else. Spiritually I'm uplifted every time my daughter and I play a song together. Or when I look into my wife's beautiful eyes. Or when I see my son and his girl friend put their heads together like two little love birds and know that he feels about her the way I feel about my wife and that he feels that way in part because of my guidance and mentoring.
I feel it when I put my arm around someone who is failing and lift them up a little just long enough for them to gain their feet again and carry on.

Spiritually I feel just as I've always felt, fine.

As for bountiful joys, I think I've had them all. I have two great kids, a boy and a girl. I've watched them grow into fine upstanding and productive adults. I married my soul mate who I found at the ripe old age of 21 and have grown to be more in love with her each day since.

I've tasted the best of cooking, wine, spirits and the cold pure water right off a glacier after a hard morning of hiking in the mountains and looked at the curve of the earth through my own eyes.

I've stood so still and quiet in the forest that deer have walked to within feet of me and not even noticed I was there. Enjoyed unconditional love of a dog, the thrill of being on the very edge of my abilities and found the peace that comes form finding perfect silence and solitude so that all I could hear was the sound of the Earth.

If I were to be struck down this very moment, I would be content and feel the loss of nothing. I know I'll live on in the hearts of those I've loved in my life and there is nothing that I have left undone. So when I look around and see so many that haven't even a sliver of the joy in my spirit, forgive me for not buying into the idea that I own a big debt for something thousands of years ago that I have no choice over and and obligation to someone who feels they need to collect some debt from me.

I just have to say it, it's a very beautiful post you wrote, cheers for sharing.

 

[Unforgiven]

Why thank you SwitSof, that's very nice of you to say.

 

[Minority Observer84]

"
"God" is comfortable with the idea of slavery and instead of asking his followers to free the slaves tells them how to treat them and he goes so far as to instruct the slaves on how to be good little whipping boys .

"God" on more than one occasion orders people to death and and according to some accounts actually commits the killing himself despite his Thou should not kill commandment .
"God" Finds women to be inferior and not worthy of the same treatment as men .
"God" Incites pain , torture and puishment that would make corparl punishment look like a joke.
"


Well maybe some guy in a comic like book, but definatly not my God.

I don't know what your personal beliefs and i won't go through the whole argument because it is noted somewhere for you to read http://www.godisimaginary.com/i13.htm I don't know if this applies to you but it is an argument made using bible versus .

 

[Minority Observer84]

It is understandable why you should feel that way. Simply because there is a lack of true understanding of what the love of God is.

People reflect who or what they are and believe. If a claim is made to be a Christian, and the actions don’t agree with it, then God is blamed. Much like when a person does something evil, the tendency is to blame the devil.
But what ever happened to that person, what responsibility did he own up to?

The bible was written by like human beings with faults much as like you and I. The inspiration to write what was written was from God and mankind.
God chooses to show both sides of the equation with the end result being that He alone can unlock the secrets of His word.
An individual truly seeking to know Him will find Him to be loving, compassionate and caring in every sense of the word.
And He will reveal His secrets to you as like golden nuggets. I know, for I find Him blessing me constantly and always showing me the better way.




Again, the bible was written by flawed human beings with flawed understandings. God inspired them to write according to His will, and thus was so done.
If you seek to understand God by the flawed methods of writings, you see what you now see, but if you read and study with respect towards God, you will see the real message as given to understand by the Holy Spirit of God.

All that you questioned about the way things were written were my questions as well. But that was only for me to wonder, and to further seek the truth of the matter with keen interest in God’s works and ways.
He has of course granted me understandings which I am well pleased with, and in which I find to be in harmony with His character. That being love.



They have good reason to place their faith in the bible; after all, it is the generations after the crucifixion that have to deal with it.
God chose the day and time in human history to reveal Himself to mankind by way of Abraham down to the Jesus who is the express image of God.

I can truly say in faith that the bible is the inspired word of God by which all mankind can find God with.
A map: a path, a way and an example on living on the road to heaven.



The fact is, that you are speaking without understanding, and solely making judgments based on the limited knowledge and understandings of the word of God, the bible.
But you know what? That is the beginnings of wisdom.
Without question, how can anybody learn anything?
Keep seeking and keep asking questions, your heart, if sincere will be satisfied when God touches it.
Luk 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.



If I understand the bible correctly, God is the God of Love. How so? Well, all of humanity regardless of who they are, the caveman to the Pharaohs of Egypt, to the Rabbi’s, the Buddha’s and the Pope, the Son of the most High God paid the price of forgiveness for, all lumped into one body, and that body was the body of Jesus Christ.

If then, all mankind are included, tell me, what religious belief is the true one?
Why would God say love your enemies if He hated them?

You see, there is more to just words written, there is the Spirit of God who touches the souls heart in mankind and is the revealer of understandings.

To me He proves who God is, and I live and breathe by that proof. That proof is love, for God so loved the world that He gave His only Son for us.Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

That was and is a gift waiting to be received to whomever!

The only proof I need is how He touched my heart and the peace and comfort He gives me in the midst of a hellish environment, mainly created by mankind’s greed and lustful desires.

Any evidence of the existence of God to the human heart is in the touch of the Holy Spirit. Otherwise, there can be no faith in God.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

What your saying is it is based on one's own personal interpretation of things , that means that the bible is not absolute and hence open to question because all out historical records of that time merely indicate that jesus existed they say nothing of "miracles" or godliness .
There is no concrete proof that jesus was divine that is a fact , what would i consider concrete proofs , well being and engineer a building or monument that defies the laws of physics would be nice . Or better yet god walking into a coffee shop or bookstore would be nice we know that according to the bible he has done it before and that he's still around so where is he ?
Why is the world a lot older that scripture states ? (Counting back you'll come up with a number around 6000 years ) But we know for a fact thanks to geology that the earth is far older than that .
Why is the bible full of supernatural content that is absurd to the mind (Quoran also applies here i know nothing of the jewsh faith so i don't know if they have these things in the tora )

 

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Well, how wise of you to share your knowledge with us. How terribly enlightened I now am!

Now go and play with your toys like a good boy and stop jumping into the adults' conversation.

Are you SURE you are a father? I mean...geez! What the heck? What kind of a priest talks like this to people, dude? Ask yourself...WWJD?? Would he condone this?