Did Jesus Struggle Like you Do?

[look3467]

This is where the rubber meets the road, sort of speak. The onus is on the one who has a true insight as to what love is and then having to suffer the ills of those who do not.

The bible whose introduction came at a particular point in time of human history as a book, addresses all the human frailties and recommends a change as per it's instructions.

The Koran as well as other books are not a part of the bible but suffice the needs of those of different beliefs.
The proof of which defines the true God, is in the exercise love.

Most folks regardless of who they are have in their heart make up, a kindness and love which reflects the type of attitude which is Godly.

Radicals in all groups arise to further the cause of enlarging and defining the attributes of God which are mostly born out of persecution.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[gopher]

``The Koran terrifies me, not so much in what it says, but for what it suggests for those who believe in it. ``

Yet, it is a fact that more people have died in the name of the Bible than for any other reason in history. Not taking sides on any religious disputes. Just stating the facts.

 

[sanctus]

``The Koran terrifies me, not so much in what it says, but for what it suggests for those who believe in it. ``

Yet, it is a fact that more people have died in the name of the Bible than for any other reason in history. Not taking sides on any religious disputes. Just stating the facts.

Nonsense, which seems to qualify most of your opinions.

 

[gopher]

See Alan Watts's writings if you don't believe it. But first calm down and don't let your anger get the better of you.

 

[Unforgiven]

Imagine the Muslim martyr arriving in paradise expecting 70 doe-eyed virgins and being given a handful of raisins instead...

Jihad here we come!

 

[BitWhys]

...But first calm down and don't let your anger get the better of you.

troll

 

[gopher]

;-);-);-)

 

[BitWhys]

I resemble that remark

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

Gopher and Bitwhys...ya just gave me me morning smile...thats hard to do some days...LOL!

 

[BitWhys]

oh sure. like you'd be smiling if you had to look at THAT face in mirror every morning.

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

oh sure. like you'd be smiling if you had to look at THAT face in mirror every morning.

Well if ya only knew....ask some of the citytv newbs...like unfydo up there..i'm sure he'll give ya an idea.....*wanders off hysterically loling to himself by himself forever***winkety wink unfy...


lots of lols in this place ...good company

 

[gopher]

Actually, my avatar is a current self portrait whereas that photo is my childhood likeness!

 

[SwitSof]

on almost every page it tells Muslims to despise non-Muslims, or warns of the awful divine retribution awaiting unbelievers, or exhorts the faithful to go out and kill and die in the name of Allah. It's awful beyond belief, absolutely horrible. If Muslims really believe this is the inerrant revealed word of God, and it appears that they do, it's obvious where people like the Taliban and suicide bombers come from. It's in the book...

Interesting to find that it is written in the Qur'an.
My family lived in a certain area in Indonesia and had this tradition among the neighbours that on Christmas the Muslim neighbours gave a gift to the Christians and then on Idul Fitri (Ramadhan) the Christian neighbours returned the favour and so on. The gift was always accompanied by a greeting card both ways.
That went on for couple of years till one of the Muslim neighbours stopped putting a greeting card and when asked we were told that apparently one of the Hajis gave a speech about the Muslims are not supposed to congratulate the believers of other religions when they celebrate important days of their religions like Christmas and maybe Vaisak (sp? for Buddhists) and so on.
So I always thought it's just some Hajis' interpretation or rather mis-interpretation perhaps and that interpretation was spread out to their followers that have always created the strained relationship with people who believe in different religions.
But apparently it comes from the book itself, well if DexterSinister didn't mis-interpret either
Even though it's implied on the book itself, can it be a case of "lost in translation"?

 

[SwitSof]

Did I kill this thread? *mourning* :-(

 

[look3467]

Yes, Jesus struggled more than all of us. Why?

Because: Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

In order to take away the stigma of death from us, He had to be tempted on every point and enduring till the end; unrepentant for your sake and mine.

If He would of failed, our hopes for life eternal would have been dashed!

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[gopher]

But his struggle was volitional and nobody I know likes to suffer. He promised that all of his ministers could duplicate and surpass his miracles but I don't see the dead being risen or people walking on water. It would be a lot nicer if what he said was fully true.

 

[look3467]

But his struggle was volitional and nobody I know likes to suffer. He promised that all of his ministers could duplicate and surpass his miracles but I don't see the dead being risen or people walking on water. It would be a lot nicer if what he said was fully true.

Technically, a person who has not a relationship with God is considered to be spiritual death to God.
Lets say that I was preaching on a street conner about Jesus and His message of love and someone came to accept Jesus as their savior, that individual would then be raised from a dead state.

The whole premise of a re-birth is because of the dead state mankind is in. Jesus as this verse states struggled with His humanity :Mat 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

Jesus understood what He was about to go through in suffering and was looking for a way out of it. But because the will of the Father was that Jesus should suffer for the sins of the world.

Act 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.
Act 3:18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

The miracles Jesus did was of the flesh for the flesh's sake, mainly the Jews for the bible says: 1Co 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

And the Greeks seek after wisdom.

So, after Jesus we see spiritual healing and rebirths as we are reckoned death with Christ and risen with Christ in greater numbers, surpassing that of the work of Jesus.
The work of Jesus continues on in the spiritual realm but working through us as if He were here Himself.

To have any spiritual understandings of God, one must first have respect for God.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[Unforgiven]

Technically, a person who has not a relationship with God is considered to be spiritual death to God.
Lets say that I was preaching on a street conner about Jesus and His message of love and someone came to accept Jesus as their savior, that individual would then be raised from a dead state.

The whole premise of a re-birth is because of the dead state mankind is in. Jesus as this verse states struggled with His humanity :Mat 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

Jesus understood what He was about to go through in suffering and was looking for a way out of it. But because the will of the Father was that Jesus should suffer for the sins of the world.

Act 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.
Act 3:18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

The miracles Jesus did was of the flesh for the flesh's sake, mainly the Jews for the bible says: 1Co 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

And the Greeks seek after wisdom.

So, after Jesus we see spiritual healing and rebirths as we are reckoned death with Christ and risen with Christ in greater numbers, surpassing that of the work of Jesus.
The work of Jesus continues on in the spiritual realm but working through us as if He were here Himself.

To have any spiritual understandings of God, one must first have respect for God.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

So aslong as I don't believe in god, I won't got to hell? I'll just get buried in my plot and that will be the end of that?

 

[look3467]

So aslong as I don't believe in god, I won't got to hell? I'll just get buried in my plot and that will be the end of that?

Fortunately, my current understanding is that you will be at the same place I am. But physically speaking, a person who does not believe in God is spiritually dead. Where as I am spiritually alive because I do believe in God.

The difference is "when" the rebirth takes place. The rebirth can be done here and now, and enjoy the benefits of the kingdom, or at death without ever experiencing the joy of salvation while yet in the flesh.
But God being a loving God has given us the ability to choose, and that He that, He respects because He fixed it to where your soul would be saved at death.

Here's the verses: Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Phi 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

You see my friend, there is no escape from God! Better to know Him now and receive from bountifully all the joys of His kingdom while yet on earth.


Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[gopher]

Jesus understood what He was about to go through in suffering and was looking for a way out of it. But because the will of the Father was that Jesus should suffer for the sins of the world.

But again, God is the exclusive creator of all evil {Isaiah 45:7} so that those sins only exist of that same god. And it does no good to people to suffer. Consider the abortion victim - no good ever comes to such a victim. Never.