Did He Just Forget About The Pipe Bomb In His Pocket?

[SLM]

I used to have a purse with a chip in it somewhere, that would go off. So, when I'd walk in, they'd wave me in, and when I walked out, they'd go 'oh yeah, right, you, go ahead', without ever looking. I could have filled my boots between coming in, and going out, if I was so criminally inclined.

Oh for sure, I've had that happen too. But most places still have the damned alarm at rock concert decibel levels, lol.

 

[BornRuff]

Yes I know, I was mocking the absurdity of the statement made by the spokesperson.

But think about the last time you went through a store doorway when they didn't demagnetize the product that was purchased. Alarms blaring, you'd almost think the Fort Knox was being attacked. Here in this case, a $100 fine. Honestly the ridiculousness of it cannot be over stated.

I honestly don't care so much about the punishment. The fact that he was allowed to board the plane is what bothers me the most. I hope he was at least put through a very thorough cavity search, with all his luggage ripped apart as well.

 

[SLM]

I honestly don't care so much about the punishment. The fact that he was allowed to board the plane is what bothers me the most. I hope he was at least put through a very thorough cavity search, with all his luggage ripped apart as well.

I do and I don't care about the punishment. What I care about, honestly, is consistency with both airport security measures and application of the law. Don't forget, this is not someone who simply had nail scissors removed from their carry on, this was a pipe bomb. Fairly certain if you build a pipe bomb and don't go anywhere near an airport you've still committed an indictable offense.

How much confidence in airport security measures does it fill you with that he was so casually treated by airport security staff? Even if he really is just a really stupid yahoo, he still built a bomb and then tried to get onto an airplane. Now I wouldn't doubt if the fine is a result of the police getting the information about an explosive device so long after the fact, they probably couldn't charge him accordingly. But I don't know that, it's just a guess.

CATSA needs to take this issue far more seriously than it does.

 

[DaSleeper]

I used to have a purse with a chip in it somewhere, that would go off. So, when I'd walk in, they'd wave me in, and when I walked out, they'd go 'oh yeah, right, you, go ahead', without ever looking. I could have filled my boots between coming in, and going out, if I was so criminally inclined.

Why didn't they run the purse on the pad at one of the counters?

 

[taxslave]

Well yeah, of course you're held back, because the assumption is, where there's residue, there's a bomb, and they just haven't found it yet. With this guy, they knew where the bomb was, so what's the harm in putting him on the plane? lol.


And seriously, 4 DAYS later they called the cops? Uhm, seriously?

"I thought that was Bill's job."

Government union employees.

 

[karrie]

Edmonton Airport tried to give teenager his pipe bomb back after he went through security: report | National Post

lol!! oh my gawd, this gets better and better.

 

[JLM]

From what I can gather once he handed the pipe bomb over the danger was eliminated! Anyway lots of bureaucrats in an uproar! -

 

[Ron in Regina]

Israel Airport Explosive Booth!!!

TEL AVIV, Israel — The Israelis are developing an airport security device that eliminates the privacy concerns that come with full-body scanners. It's an armored booth you step into that will not X-ray you, but will detonate any explosive device you may have on your person. ​

Too bad this isn't true: snopes.com: Airport Bomb Booth

 

[BornRuff]

I do and I don't care about the punishment. What I care about, honestly, is consistency with both airport security measures and application of the law. Don't forget, this is not someone who simply had nail scissors removed from their carry on, this was a pipe bomb. Fairly certain if you build a pipe bomb and don't go anywhere near an airport you've still committed an indictable offense.

How much confidence in airport security measures does it fill you with that he was so casually treated by airport security staff? Even if he really is just a really stupid yahoo, he still built a bomb and then tried to get onto an airplane. Now I wouldn't doubt if the fine is a result of the police getting the information about an explosive device so long after the fact, they probably couldn't charge him accordingly. But I don't know that, it's just a guess.

CATSA needs to take this issue far more seriously than it does.

First and foremost I want to know that they are taking reasonable precautions to keep me safe. Someone who has been found to be trying to bring a bomb onto a plane should not be anywhere near a plane for a very long time.

I don't know what kind of punishment is warranted and I honestly don't know how much it would really do to prevent future events like this. I really just want to know that people like this are not on my aircraft.

 

[JLM]

First and foremost I want to know that they are taking reasonable precautions to keep me safe. Someone who has been found to be trying to bring a bomb onto a plane should not be anywhere near a plane for a very long time.

I don't know what kind of punishment is warranted and I honestly don't know how much it would really do to prevent future events like this. I really just want to know that people like this are not on my aircraft.

I think the airport staff is probably much more guilty than the kid is. Are all "pipe bombs" created equal? Was it accompanied with explosives?

First and foremost I want to know that they are taking reasonable precautions to keep me safe. Someone who has been found to be trying to bring a bomb onto a plane should not be anywhere near a plane for a very long time.

I don't know what kind of punishment is warranted and I honestly don't know how much it would really do to prevent future events like this. I really just want to know that people like this are not on my aircraft.

Or maybe more pertinent, staff like that are not at your airport. -

 

[BornRuff]

I think the airport staff is probably much more guilty than the kid is.

The staff didn't do their job in keeping the guy who tried to bring a bomb onto a plane off of the plane.

Are all "pipe bombs" created equal? Was it accompanied with explosives?

Was the bomb accompanied by explosives? What exactly are you getting at?

 

[SLM]

First and foremost I want to know that they are taking reasonable precautions to keep me safe. Someone who has been found to be trying to bring a bomb onto a plane should not be anywhere near a plane for a very long time.

I don't know what kind of punishment is warranted and I honestly don't know how much it would really do to prevent future events like this. I really just want to know that people like this are not on my aircraft.

Well, unless it hasn't been reported, all I have been able to determine as far as consequences that this young man has faced is one years probation, $100 fine and I read elsewhere a compulsory donation to the local burn unit. I haven't seen anywhere that he's been placed on any no-fly lists. Maybe he has been but I find it hard to believe that would be omitted from news reports.

As far as "punishments" go, for lack of a better term, they do need to meet/match the severity of the act. Now I'd never advocate locking people up and throwing away the key ( the harshest penalty we have in this country) blindly for all circumstances but at the same time there are more stakeholders involved in this crime, in any crime really, than just the principals involved. Firstly, all actions have consequences (good and bad) and it's important that perpetrators face the consequences of their actions, it's how we learn. It's also important for all of society to witness that severe and, let's face it, potentially exceedingly dangerous actions face very serious consequences so that we can have the faith that processes and procedures in place for our safety and protection are indeed working and adequate. I certainly don't get that from this incident and how it was handled. Lastly, it's important that safety authorities are given the tools and abilities necessary to carry out their mandate, which in this case is the overall protection of those who travel by air, and that the mandate for security is carried out consistently. On that last point, this situation has also suffered a major fail as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Blackleaf]

Is that a pipe bomb in your pocket or are you just pleased to see me?

 

[JLM]

Was the bomb accompanied by explosives? What exactly are you getting at?

Without explosives it's as useful as a gun with no bullets!

Well, unless it hasn't been reported, all I have been able to determine as far as consequences that this young man has faced is one years probation, $100 fine and I read elsewhere a compulsory donation to the local burn unit. I haven't seen anywhere that he's been placed on any no-fly lists. Maybe he has been but I find it hard to believe that would be omitted from news reports.

As far as "punishments" go, for lack of a better term, they do need to meet/match the severity of the act. Now I'd never advocate locking people up and throwing away the key ( the harshest penalty we have in this country) blindly for all circumstances but at the same time there are more stakeholders involved in this crime, in any crime really, than just the principals involved. Firstly, all actions have consequences (good and bad) and it's important that perpetrators face the consequences of their actions, it's how we learn. It's also important for all of society to witness that severe and, let's face it, potentially exceedingly dangerous actions face very serious consequences so that we can have the faith that processes and procedures in place for our safety and protection are indeed working and adequate. I certainly don't get that from this incident and how it was handled. Lastly, it's important that safety authorities are given the tools and abilities necessary to carry out their mandate, which in this case is the overall protection of those who travel by air, and that the mandate for security is carried out consistently. On that last point, this situation has also suffered a major fail as far as I'm concerned.

The severity of most crimes depends on what the intent was! -

I see this subject is still top news this morning. I wonder how long this will be kept "afloat" and how many will prosper from it!

 

[petros]

I heard a dude (security expert) on the news this AM calling bullsh*t.

 

[JLM]

I heard a dude (security expert) on the news this AM calling bullsh*t.

All the hoopla aside I'd like to know just what the extent of the threat was! This brings to light the problems with bureaucrats.

 

[EagleSmack]

They obviously can hold people until police get there. Hell, I, with absolutely no position of authority, can legally hold someone until the cops arrive.

Did they have to let him on the plane though?

I heard a dude (security expert) on the news this AM calling bullsh*t.

Fake story?

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

He's already been sentenced. $100 fine and a year's probation. What a joke.

Given the 4 day delay in calling the cops, I consider it lucky that he got a fine or anything at all. But if that is what they were seeking, no need to hire Perry Mason to defend you.

The real issue is they didn't detain him on the spot and further, let him on the plane. He may have had a better bomb hidden elsewhere.

 

[JLM]

Given the 4 day delay in calling the cops, I consider it lucky that he got a fine or anything at all. But if that is what they were seeking, no need to hire Perry Mason to defend you.

The real issue is they didn't detain him on the spot and further, let him on the plane. He may have had a better bomb hidden elsewhere.

It all depends on intent and what the "bomb" consisted of. Maybe it was a close relative of a wooden gun! -

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Is that a pipe bomb in your pocket or are you just pleased to see me?

Do you routinely ask men with bulges in their trousers if they're happy to see you?