Defence minister tells troops Afghan mission will continue until progress secure
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Ya, but do you have to repaste the whole article just to say that?He's lying as usual.ukeright:
Meanwhile, onto important things - the "terrorists" will never be gone. It is an unwinnable situation.
On that point, we must not be swayed into believing IRAN is the main source of terrorists, because Pakistan takes that title. And since Canada nor the USA is stupid enough to rick attacking Pakistan, or its borders, or unwilling for wahtever reasons, the terrorists will keep coming into Afghanistan and and Iraq - maybe pullling the troops out of those places would stop the need for more terrorists. A pullout would go a long way to restoring peace and beginning the talks that will eventually be needed to bring stability to those nations.
\As I said, I would blame western culture in general........both left and right.
Anyone with any sense hates war.......but some hate terror, oppression, injustice, murder, rape, and helplessness more.
The Taliban can not be allowed to return.
yes maybe - On Iraq - deploy along the borders and let those who are intent on killing each other to just go ahead and do it, get it all over with because these killings are going to happen eventually anyhow. There would be huge carnage in Baghdad and other cities of Iraq, and when they get tired of it it is over - no need to ever go back in there.
it is a bit inhumane, but prolonging these deaths by having USA forces in Iraq, in Baghdad is not helping.
BUT!! - Bush' agenda isn't actually about 'how to win the war against the insurgents" . It doesn't really matter to Bush how the war is going, as long as it is not OVER - that is the one thing Bush does NOT want. In fact, the civil war in Iraq may be fomented by Bush just so there is a good reason to stay.
the USA forces HAVE to stay there to allow the oil coporations access to the free Iraqi oil. THATS why the USA forces are going to stay there, no matter what the politica/civil war/ terrorist situation is.
it is a bit inhumane, but prolonging these deaths by having USA forces in Iraq, in Baghdad is not helping.
BUT!! - Bush' agenda isn't actually about 'how to win the war against the insurgents" . It doesn't really matter to Bush how the war is going, as long as it is not OVER - that is the one thing Bush does NOT want. In fact, the civil war in Iraq may be fomented by Bush just so there is a good reason to stay.
the USA forces HAVE to stay there to allow the oil coporations access to the free Iraqi oil. THATS why the USA forces are going to stay there, no matter what the politica/civil war/ terrorist situation is.
War , terror, oppression, injustice, murder, rape, and helplessness and this list is endless , all are unwanted elements so thease all are unwelcome all the time by all the people around the world
I have to say, I'm proud of the job our Canadian soldiers are doing under very tough circumstances. The bigger NATO nations which I probably don't have to name are keeping their troops out of harm's way, paying lip service to their obligations as a NATO nation. I hope that this war doesn't burn out too many of our troops, multiple rotations back to back has to be tough on the head.
Canadians will have to face realities. We cannot win in Afghanistan. We should look at history. The second most powerful nation in the world, The Soviet Union, could not win. The British were slaughter back when they were the dominant power. What makes us think we can control this situation? Are we willing to poor all our money and resources into this? No. Canadians don’t want to give up everything, spend billions more on, what? What is the plan? We don’t understand the Middle East. No western country does. It doesn't matter what our intentions are, people in that country don’t want us there. It's not worth the death of more Canadians to tow the Bush agenda.
Great, your proud of the job we're doing perhaps you could explain that job in detail so the rest of us could share the pride.:wave:
1. Preventing the Taliban from any return to power in Afghanistan.
2. Attempting to win the hearts and minds of the people in Afghanistan by building schools, clinics, etc.
3. Attempting to stabilize Afghanistan under a benevolent government that is friendly to the west.
BTW, comparing our actions to the Russian invasion of Afghanistan is simply silly. The Russians wanted territory......preferably de-populated, and they proceeded to kill everyone in the countryside not under their control. One quarter of the Afghan people became refugees, and the tribes rose against the Soviets as one.
NOT the same situation.
For one, they're shouldering alot of the combat duties in Kandahar province. We only have 2500 troops there, it's a hard job to provide security for development projects with a small number like that. The Taliban strength is in the south of the country where the Canadians are located. Admittedly there aren't enough Canadian troops to provide the security needed and it's not like we have much more we can offer in that regard. There is $1 Billion in economic assistance to be speant in Afghanistan, we've built vocational schools, supporting organizations like UNICEF who are working on maternal health and womans literacy projects, providing funds and training to mine clearing. None of these activities can go on without a proper security blanket, and the troops are doing their best.
No, you asked why we were there.......and I told you. That you can't comprehend anything outside of your narrow set of pre-conceived ideas on American imperialism is your failing, not mine.
Yeah and even IF number 3 IS indeed one of the goals, it's ludicrous, such a thing will never happen in many many many years and when it does it would have to happen because of a bunch of carrots and sticks, not occupying the country and making up a government and deciding OURSELVES what is best for a country we don't understand
I can't believe that anyone would actually use the "hearts and minds" phrase in anything but an ironic sense anymore, I guess propaganda really DOES still work
I can't believe that anyone would actually use the "hearts and minds" phrase in anything but an ironic sense anymore, I guess propaganda really DOES still work
No I asked for details, and you provided crap, your crackers are in the mail. I would challenge you about which of us has the pre-concieved ideas, yours seem to stop rather short of substance you are easily satisfied with a film of patriotic ferver for a country of which you are not a citizen.You seem to have been culturally conditioned to accept neo-colonialism, of the American kind, as the preferred vehicle for democracy and development, that coupled with an absurdly qualified view of TWOT (the war on terror) limits our correspondance Might I suggest, TTUOG (the tacticle use of genocide) as a subject that would at least get you started on geo-politcs on this planet (earth) as opposed to the far different place where you live.:wave:
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DarkBeaver
Speaking of crap, see immediately above.........
Perhaps you could enlighten me on exactly what "tactical use of genocide" you are refering to. You are perhaps confusing the Russian occupation of Afghanistan and the current mission, supported by the United Nations?
What I hear is a whack of disjointed claptrap and lefty buzz-words hobbled together in a futile attempt to make the author appear as some sort of intellectual.
As for geo-politics, I've spent the last 35 years interested in politics and history, the development of civilization and the expression of power. In doing so, I have learned enough sense to move away from empty-headed leftist rhetoric, and to deal with reality.
The reality is this: the main aim of the mission in Afghanistan is to prevent the Taliban from returning to power. They attacked us, and they would, if in control, re-constitute the training bases and support for our most lethal enemies.
It would be extremely good if we could stabilize Afghanistan, help the Afghan people get on their feet, not only for their own good, but so we could eventually withdraw.
That is reality.
Perhaps you could enlighten me on exactly what "tactical use of genocide" you are refering to. You are perhaps confusing the Russian occupation of Afghanistan and the current mission, supported by the United Nations?
What I hear is a whack of disjointed claptrap and lefty buzz-words hobbled together in a futile attempt to make the author appear as some sort of intellectual.
As for geo-politics, I've spent the last 35 years interested in politics and history, the development of civilization and the expression of power. In doing so, I have learned enough sense to move away from empty-headed leftist rhetoric, and to deal with reality.
The reality is this: the main aim of the mission in Afghanistan is to prevent the Taliban from returning to power. They attacked us, and they would, if in control, re-constitute the training bases and support for our most lethal enemies.
It would be extremely good if we could stabilize Afghanistan, help the Afghan people get on their feet, not only for their own good, but so we could eventually withdraw.
That is reality.
And how much responsibility do Canada and the United States have for contributing to the situation in Afghanistan?
Didn't the U.S. arm the Mahujideen?
Wasn't that nation thrown into the petroleum war by the United States and Russia and a great many other people?
Didn't the U.S. arm the Mahujideen?
Wasn't that nation thrown into the petroleum war by the United States and Russia and a great many other people?
Why are we so concerned about the Afghani's and not the people of Africa? And if it's so important to not let the Taliban get into power, why didn't we do something about it a long time ago? It's all BS!
Explain to me how Canada can win this war while the worlds super powers couldn't. What are we going to do different? If you dont know, your supporting sending Canadians off to die for a loosing cause. Face reality.
Explain to me how Canada can win this war while the worlds super powers couldn't. What are we going to do different? If you dont know, your supporting sending Canadians off to die for a loosing cause. Face reality.