Defence minister tells troops Afghan mission will continue until progress secure

BitWhys

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But if it's state sponsored terrorism, is it an act of war?...

Actually, NATO called it an act of aggression, not war, but either way its irrelevant since Operation Enduring Freedom was NOT a NATO action. NATO's in charge of sloppy seconds.
 

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Speaking of crap, see immediately above.........

Perhaps you could enlighten me on exactly what "tactical use of genocide" you are refering to. You are perhaps confusing the Russian occupation of Afghanistan and the current mission, supported by the United Nations?
Is murdering over a million Iraqis by bombing, bullets, and sanctions genocide? I think it is.

What I hear is a whack of disjointed claptrap and lefty buzz-words hobbled together in a futile attempt to make the author appear as some sort of intellectual.

As for geo-politics, I've spent the last 35 years interested in politics and history, the development of civilization and the expression of power. In doing so, I have learned enough sense to move away from empty-headed leftist rhetoric, and to deal with reality.

The reality is this: the main aim of the mission in Afghanistan is to prevent the Taliban from returning to power. They attacked us, and they would, if in control, re-constitute the training bases and support for our most lethal enemies.
The reality is that after 9/11, a coalition of nations went into Afghanistan in support of The War on Terror. The war on terror was hijacked to the cause of keeping the Taliban from blowing up the oil pipeline.

Hey Juan!

I thought we were discussing Afghanistan, not Iraq. Two very different subjects.

And I think we, and our American allies, are much more concerned about office towers, subways, and airliners than oil pipelines.
 

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Hey Juan!

I thought we were discussing Afghanistan, not Iraq. Two very different subjects.

And I think we, and our American allies, are much more concerned about office towers, subways, and airliners than oil pipelines.

Are they two different subjects? In the middle of what we thought was the war on terror, the Americans decide to bomb the hell out of, and invade, Iraq, who as far as I can see, had nothing to do with the attacks on office towers, etc.

I can't believe in "Operation Iraqi Freedom" when over a million Iraqis were killed by the bombing, etc. When the first American troops into Iraq immediately put a guard on the Iraqi Oil Ministry, I thought, "This is all about oil". I have gradually gotten back to that opinion.
 

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And I think we, and our American allies, are much more concerned about office towers, subways, and airliners than oil pipelines.

oh I do have a soft spot for irony. thanks for that.

NATO has been pimped out to the market builders and I for one don't think for a second that's not going to turn into a diaperload of trouble later on.
 

BitWhys

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It was not led by NATO. You are splitting hairs.

Irony and clarity both tickle my fancy. sue me.

If your point is that NATO by your definition failed to meet its treaty obligations you made it.:thumbup:

that might explain why they're behaving like Bretton Woods bitches now.
 
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BitWhys

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ok

What part of the invasion of Afghanistan not being a NATO operation don't you understand?
 

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For the purposes of clarity, it would be better if you don't make assumptions about what I get or don't get.
 

BitWhys

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For the purposes of clarity, it would be better if you don't make assumptions about what I get or don't get.

For the purposes of irony, it would be best if you keep ignoring the first rule of holes.
 

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Lets get back to the thread subject for a minuite.
The defence minister says mission will continue untill progress is secure.

Recently we heard blurps in the media about the poppies and how the crop will be eradicated this year.
I think that the poppies fund covert operations, and it is my opinion that this years crop will be as good as last years, and that would be progress secured.

The media has already set up the environmentalist to take the blame for not destroying this years crop.Nobody wants to see the poppies go, so thier safe. The worst year for the crop was when the Talaban were in power.
 

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Lets get back to the thread subject for a minuite.
The defence minister says mission will continue untill progress is secure.

Recently we heard blurps in the media about the poppies and how the crop will be eradicated this year.
I think that the poppies fund covert operations, and it is my opinion that this years crop will be as good as last years, and that would be progress secured.

The media has already set up the environmentalist to take the blame for not destroying this years crop.Nobody wants to see the poppies go, so thier safe. The worst year for the crop was when the Talaban were in power.

Although I'm not sure what you are getting at, I do know the locals growing poppies for Heroin production is a huge problem. Perhaps aid could include the purchase of poopy crops (for legitimate opiate production), along with a program to guide the people into a different set of cash crops.........

It is hard to win over a very poor population by destroying their cash crops..........

And the Americans have a serious case of tunnel vision when it comes to drugs.
 

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And the Americans have a serious case of tunnel vision when it comes to drugs.

Terrific! Thrill to Thomas a Becket's Kierkegaardian moment of choice while making your physique tighter, firmer, neater.
 
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Although I'm not sure what you are getting at, I do know the locals growing poppies for Heroin production is a huge problem. Perhaps aid could include the purchase of poopy crops (for legitimate opiate production), along with a program to guide the people into a different set of cash crops.........

It is hard to win over a very poor population by destroying their cash crops..........

And the Americans have a serious case of tunnel vision when it comes to drugs.

There is a group lobbying for that exact situation Colpy, and I say why the hell not. They're obviously the best growers in the world for that product, why not use that to help fund a very poor nation...
 

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The fantasy that found roots in the communist world in the 20th century was that their could be an equalitarian society, as expressed in "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need".

Thats funny because for me its the opposite of "equalitarian". And the most funny thing is we have currently a discussion about communist in an other forum. And i was saying that lenin and stalin was lying and didn't want a state-less country but used this argument to take the power.


For me this : "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need"
Mean, you get what you can get, which is a total mirror of the U.S class system. And also a total MIRROR of what the cccp class system was.


EDIT: i must be wrong because even political compass is thinking like you and everybody around. I just did the test to see.
 

vinod1975

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in 20th century in communist world there were no classess of socity , what they were trying to prove that there is no gap or no rich or poor every one is equal but that was **** and without being rich you can not run your contory...