CTV: Ford under fire for 'take care of your own' comment

OpposingDigit

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Hi! Twin Moose

When I lived in Toronto, I often wished that Toronto "Mirrored" the way of life which I had enjoyed while growing up in small town Northern Ontario. I got used to it. Give it time ..... immigrants will get used to it too.

I think your fears are not justified.
 

pgs

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Ontario is the #1 economy in North America right now.
Delusional .

Hi! Twin Moose

When I lived in Toronto, I often wished that Toronto "Mirrored" the way of life which I had enjoyed while growing up in small town Northern Ontario. I got used to it. Give it time ..... immigrants will get used to it too.

I think your fears are not justified.
Delusional .No we are not against immigrants . We are against illegal immigration .
 

spaminator

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When we look at the birth rate of "Old Stock Folks" in Canada or just in Ontario, we would of been a total failure as a country if it were not for the huge investments we made with immigrants. When "Old Stock Folks" complete their education, they enter the brain drain to the U.S..

I remember when I was living in Toronto and was flat broke at one point in time. A small variety store allowed me 300 bucks credit and it was owned/operated by immigrants and who could barely speak English.

My own government would not help me out. They offered me 20 bucks.

When I once had a job where I needed to perform a service at a restaurant at opening and at closing, I noticed that in most all food establishments, the first one reporting for work in the morning and the last one leaving at night was an immigrant.
i'm shocked that the government offered any money. ;)
 

OpposingDigit

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Hi! PGS

I don't think they are illegal ..... there is a loophole in the law which they are taking advantage of.

Hi! Spaminator

Yeh! That was Harris and The Clowns. I had to go to some Sally-Anne hostel and wait around for about 2 hours and complete about 5 signatures for 20 bucks. Harris was finding "inefficiencies" like Doug Ford promises to do.
 

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Hi! PGS

I don't think they are illegal ..... there is a loophole in the law which they are taking advantage of.

Hi! Spaminator

Yeh! That was Harris and The Clowns. I had to go to some Sally-Anne hostel and wait around for about 2 hours and complete about 5 signatures for 20 bucks. Harris was finding "inefficiencies" like Doug Ford promises to do.
Laws can be and should be . That is why we have a parliament .
 

taxslave

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I was just thinking this as well when JT took over Wynne demanded that the Gov. do more to support manufacturing in Ont. and that Ottawa support her pension plan expansion, and support her alternative energy program. There wasn't anything in her demands that would help any of the rest of Canada, pretty much describes MF's post Lol

But she did expect the rest of Canada to pay for it.
 

Danbones

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Lets look at the facts instead of just being glib.

Alberta doesn’t send oil money to have-nots, and Ontario contributes more than Alberta

The most important thing to remember in all of this is that the federal government pays for equalization, and it does it out of the same general revenue pool used to fund all of its programs and services. In other words, every Canadian that pays federal taxes contributes to equalization payments on the exact same basis.

A rich person in Quebec or New Brunswick will contribute more to equalization than a less wealthy person in Alberta or Saskatchewan. And because there are more Ontarians paying federal taxes than Albertans, more dollars for equalization actually come from Ontario than Alberta.
Alberta doesn’t send oil money to have-nots, and Ontario contributes more than Alberta | Vue Weekly

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Of course, none of these nuances seem to make their way into the arguments put forth by Fildebrandt, Jean, Atkins or their friends in the corporate media and conservative think tanks.
 

Twin_Moose

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Yeah, everyone knows it's Saskatatchewan.

Facts.

They really suck for you.


Ontario's Economic Growth Continues to Lead G7 Countries
https://news.ontario.ca/opo/en/2017/07/ontarios-economic-growth-continues-to-lead-g7-countries.html

Alberta lead the way in 2017

Alberta leads country in 2017 GDP growth

Statistics Canada has released the GDP numbers for 2017, and it’s good news for the Canadian economy.
Canada’s GDP grew 3.3 per cent, with Alberta leading the way with an increase of 4.9 per cent.
University of Calgary Associate Professor of Economics Trevor Tombe said it’s not surprising an economy coming out of recession experiences faster than normal rates of economic growth.
“What I think was surprising here in today’s release was just the strength of that growth, faster than all but one private sector forecaster was expecting, it’s faster than what the government was expecting and by a pretty good margin,” he said.
A big factor was oil and gas.
“We’re certainly not at our pre-recession peak but overall the 4.9 per cent growth we saw in 2017, that brings us about two-thirds of the way back,” explained Tombe, adding if the oil and gas numbers grow at expected levels in 2018, they’ll be back at the 2014 peak.
Despite the overall economy doing well, Tombe explained that doesn’t mean everyone is experiencing the recovery in the same way.
“In particular young men, and young men with lower levels of education,” he said. “These were individuals that earned a fairly good living as labourers in oil and gas, in construction associated manufacturing activities,” he said.
He said they have fewer opportunities than they did before the recession and that should be a focus of policy makers.
Tombe also warned there is still a lot of uncertainty, especially with regards to NAFTA.

Lets look at the facts instead of just being glib.

Alberta doesn’t send oil money to have-nots, and Ontario contributes more than Alberta

The most important thing to remember in all of this is that the federal government pays for equalization, and it does it out of the same general revenue pool used to fund all of its programs and services. In other words, every Canadian that pays federal taxes contributes to equalization payments on the exact same basis.

A rich person in Quebec or New Brunswick will contribute more to equalization than a less wealthy person in Alberta or Saskatchewan. And because there are more Ontarians paying federal taxes than Albertans, more dollars for equalization actually come from Ontario than Alberta.
Alberta doesn’t send oil money to have-nots, and Ontario contributes more than Alberta | Vue Weekly

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Of course, none of these nuances seem to make their way into the arguments put forth by Fildebrandt, Jean, Atkins or their friends in the corporate media and conservative think tanks.

Equalization payments in Canada

Equalization payments happen via the federal treasury. As an example, a wealthy citizen in New Brunswick, a so-called "have not" province, pays more into equalization than a poorer citizen in Alberta, a so-called "have" province. However, because of Alberta's greater wealth, the citizens of Alberta as a whole are net contributors to Equalization, while the citizens of New Brunswick are net receivers of Equalization payments.
Equalization payments are one example of what are often collectively referred to in Canada as "transfer payments", a term used in other jurisdictions to refer to cash payments to individuals (see Canadian transfer payments). The money the provinces receive through equalization can be spent in any way the provincial government desires. The payments help guarantee "reasonably comparable levels" of health care, education, and welfare in all the provinces. The definition of "reasonably comparable levels", however, has been the subject of considerable debate.

Quebec will receive the most from equalization payments in the 2018-2019 year.[1] However, per capita, PEI benefits the most.
In the 2018–2019 year, the following provinces will receive equalization payments:[1]
Quebec ($11.732 billion)
Manitoba ($2.037 billion)
Nova Scotia ($1.933 billion)
New Brunswick ($1.874 billion)
Ontario ($963 million)
Prince Edward Island ($419 million)
Equalization per citizens 2016-2017
Provinces / Per Citizen / Total
PEI / $2,573 / $380 million
NB / $2,259 / $1.708 billion
NS / $1,822 / $1.722 billion
Manitoba / $1,328 / $1.736 billion
Quebec / $1,206 / $10.03 billion
Ontario / $166 / $2.304 billion
Source: Government of Canada (péréquation *|* Le blogue Économie de Gérald Fillion Le blogue Économie de Gérald Fillion *|*Tag Archive*|* péréquation | Radio-Canada.ca)
The following provinces will not qualify for equalization payments in 2018–2019:[1]
Alberta
British Columbia
Newfoundland and Labrador
Saskatchewan

Follow the equalization money to Central Canada

Historically, the purpose of Canada’s equalization program was to largely provide financial assistance to the country’s poorer provinces where incomes lagged behind the national average. In the recent past, Quebec, with its underperforming economy, was the only large province to receive substantial equalization payments, where they have helped fund the province’s uniquely expansive social welfare programs.
Starting in 2009/10, however, the nature of Canada’s equalization program fundamentally changed from the prevailing arrangements of recent years with Ontario’s descent into “have-not” status — a development that made Canada’s largest province eligible for equalization payments. Ontario’s shift to have-not status meant that six out of 10 provinces representing more than 70 per cent of the Canadian population was entitled to equalization payments.
Over the past decade, the emergence of Ontario as a have-not province, along with continued economic weakness in Quebec, has led to a larger share of all equalization dollars going to governments of large provinces in Central Canada instead of the smaller jurisdictions of Manitoba and the Maritimes.
In 2005/06, Ontario and Quebec together received a minority of all equalization payments. Approximately 44 per cent of equalization payments flowed to Quebec (Ontario was not yet a have-not) with 56 per cent flowing to the rest of Canada. By 2015/16, Ontario and Quebec now receive approximately 70 per cent of all equalization payments, with the smaller have-not provinces taking in approximately 30 per cent.

Equalization panel aims to find fairness for Alberta

Equalization was initially set up to ensure that Canadians are offered the same standard of living regardless of where they live.
Alberta's contributions to the program have exceeded the amounts transferred back since the 1960s, whereas other provinces have received more than they put in.
"A recent estimate averaged it at $530 per person per year, so more than $2 billion comes from Albertans on that transfer alone every single year," Jean said.
The province hasn't received an equalization payment since 1963.
Now Alberta's ability to pay is hampered by an economic recession due to falling oil prices.
But Alberta panelist and economic expert Frank Atkins says looking into equalization right now is not due to the downturn.
"As a matter of fact, it's when Alberta is really booming and really paying into equalization that you can really see the fundamental flaws in the equalization system."
 

petros

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Facts.

They really suck for you.


Ontario's Economic Growth Continues to Lead G7 Countries
https://news.ontario.ca/opo/en/2017/07/ontarios-economic-growth-continues-to-lead-g7-countries.html

July 13, 2017 10:40 A.M.

If July 13 2017 comes back you're in great shape.

Nice
 

DaSleeper

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Poor Mentalfloss

 

Hoid

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"Ford said the government would have to exhaust every option for employing locals before relying on immigrants to fill jobs in sparsely populated areas."

What does that even mean?

Ontario has always relied on immigrant labor in agriculture.

But as far as "take care of your own" that is obviously not an off the cuff remark. They did the Facebook research on that.
 

Gilgamesh

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Why aren't these immigrants being taken care of in their own country?
;)
Oh wait ...because criminal genocidal world communism, and invasions by weaponized immigration.
More like global bloody murderous fundamentalist Islam.

Marxism these days originates mainly in academia and the fruitloop SJW.