Creating a sociopathic nation

[Redmonton_Rebel]

So when they're not advocating physical assault, deciding for women what constitutes rape and what to do about the consequences, they're figuring out ever more sadistic ways to take the wealth that legitimately belongs to all Americans and give it to the sociopathic elite.

Even the Tea Party is a joke, they're funded by the Koch brothers who take greed and selfishness to a whole new level.

America was created to stop this kind of BS, let's hope the voters are smart enough to see through the continuing lies of a moraly bankrupt far right in the country...Ayn Rand for ****s sake, you don't get much more screwed up than that.

Romney's an asshole for picking Ryan as his running mate, ideology has replaced brains for almost everybody on the far right and it's sociopathic ideology based on complete creeps like Rand.

 

[EagleSmack]

Things appear all the time to you lower Americans.

What kind of things?

This ought to be good.

 

[Redmonton_Rebel]

They should apply a test to all candidates for high public office to determine whether or not they have a conscience, it really doesn't matter what your ideology is if you lack the ability to care or even understand the consequences of your actions on other people. The press used to provide some of this function, but it no longer does.

This applies to Dems and Republicans equally, America has had far too many politicians in the last few decades who almost completely lacked the ability to see beyond their own narrow interests.

Anyone who follows the philosophy of someone like Ayn Rand who saw the rest of us as worthless should be seen for the sociopaths they are.

Just read some of this ****:

"What are your masses [of humanity] but mud to be ground underfoot, fuel to be burned for those who deserve it?" (This declaration is made by the heroine Kira, Rand's stand-in; it is quoted in The Ideas of Ayn Rand by Ronald Merrill, pp. 38 - 39; the passage was altered when the book was reissued years after its original publication.)

On the value of human life: Man "is man only so long as he functions in accordance with the nature of a rational being. When he chooses to function otherwise, he is no longer man. There is no proper name for the thing which he then becomes ... When a man chooses to act in a sub-human manner, it is no longer proper for him to survive nor to be happy." (Journals, pp. 253-254, 288.)

This from a woman who saw a serial killer as brave and independent, the jurors who convicted him as lowlifes and who's had a profound influence on conservative thinking for decades. There's a reason America is in shambles, the kind of every man for himself BS that the right keeps spouting is producing the very conditions that are killing the country, it should be obvious that if you take all the wealth and give it to a tiny minority the whole nation falls apart, you're not creating a healthy society, you're in effect killing it.

Which is the definition of sociopathy.

 

[EagleSmack]

Damn... Red is going OFF!

 

[Mowich]

They should apply a test to all candidates for high public office to determine whether or not they have a conscience, it really doesn't matter what your ideology is if you lack the ability to care or even understand the consequences of your actions on other people. The press used to provide some of this function, but it no longer does.

This applies to Dems and Republicans equally, America has had far too many politicians in the last few decades who almost completely lacked the ability to see beyond their own narrow interests.

Anyone who follows the philosophy of someone like Ayn Rand who saw the rest of us as worthless should be seen for the sociopaths they are.

Just read some of this ****:




This from a woman who saw a serial killer as brave and independent, the jurors who convicted him as lowlifes and who's had a profound influence on conservative thinking for decades. There's a reason America is in shambles, the kind of every man for himself BS that the right keeps spouting is producing the very conditions that are killing the country, it should be obvious that if you take all the wealth and give it to a tiny minority the whole nation falls apart, you're not creating a healthy society, you're in effect killing it.

Which is the definition of sociopathy.

I don't like Romney but to call him a sociopath, IMO, is going a bit far. Now if you had mentioned O'Reilly or Beck or Limbaugh..........then I would agree with you.

 

[darkbeaver]

What kind of things?

This ought to be good.

ememies, gods, abortion issues, gay marriage issues and sketchy wars for freedom and the funniest of all democracy, Donald Trump, visions of invincibility, green shoots, equality, benevolent Presidents all these and more appear

 

[EagleSmack]

ememies, gods, abortion issues, gay marriage issues and sketchy wars for freedom and the funniest of all democracy, Donald Trump, visions of invincibility, green shoots, equality, benevolent Presidents all these and more appear

You see... I knew it would be good!

 

[CDNBear]

This is the OP, Red Rebel attacking one of our Mods in another thread. I think he gets a little too worked up about things.

I think he's a sociopath.

So is the dark rodent.

 

[SLM]

Again with the sociopaths!

Geez, maybe just protesting a bit too much.

 

[Redmonton_Rebel]

From The Sociopath Next Door by Martha Stout ph.d. page 50.

If anything , people without conscience tend to believe their way of being in the world is superior to ours. They often speak of the naivete of other people and their ridiculous scruples, or of their curiosity about why so many people are unwilling to manipulate others, even in the service of their most important ambitions. Or that they theorize that all people are the same-unscrupulous, like them-but are dishonestly playacting something mythical called "conscience." By this later proposition, the only straightforward and honest people in the world are they themselves. They are being "real" in a society of phonies.

Fits Ayn Rand and the modern conservative movement to a tea. They can't conceive of something as ridiculous as part of their being that limits their selfishness, even though it exists for most of us and is a crucial part of modern society. You can see the effect when enough people who lack this quality assume positions of power and trust, not just with the GOP but the sociopathic nature of ideology developed by people like Ayn Rand has been codified with the conservative movement.

The recent economic collapses and bloody wars are the product of sociopaths in positons of power.

 

[CDNBear]

From The Sociopath Next Door by Martha Stout

You live next door to Martha Stout?

 

[Redmonton_Rebel]

There's still a few conservatives with enough sense to understand the true nature of Ayn Rand and people who follow her.

Colson Warns Of The Creeping Influence Of Ayn Rand In The Conservative Movement | rightwingwatch.org

The rise of the Tea Party and economic libertarians has inspired a revitalization of Ayn Rand’s book sales and sparked more curiosity for her ‘Objectivist’ thinking. Leading Republicans have embraced Rand, as Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) called Rand the “the reason I got involved in public service” and Rep. John Campbell (R-CA) gives a copy of Atlas Shrugged to his interns. The movie Atlas Shrugged: Part I premiered at CPAC and won burgeoning interest from conservative moviegoers, until it received abysmal reviews that were so bad it convinced the producer to drop plans for parts II and III.

But Religious Right leader Chuck Colson isn’t happy with the Ayn Rand retrospective. He made a two minute video attacking Rand and her devotees, deriding Rand as an anti-Christian atheist. “Not only should you stay away from the film,” Colson says, “you ought to stay away from anybody who wants to see the film, unless their interest is ironic.” Colson warns that Rand’s “patently anti-Christian ideas seem to be gaining steam” among conservatives, cautioning that her Objectivist philosophy is the “antithesis of Christianity” and that her followers are “undermining the Gospel”:

They seem concerned over her atheism more than her lack of a conscience though, it's kind of, no, it's very creepy that there's a major party in US politics that is based on the belief that not having a conscience gives it's leaders an edge.

It shouldn’t surprise you to learn that her worldview, called Objectivism, which rejects love of God, has even less regard for love of neighbor. Jennifer Rubin, who wrote the definitive biography of Rand, says that “whereas traditional conservatism emphasized duties, responsibilities, and social interconnectedness, at the core” of Rand’s ideology “was a rejection of moral obligations to others.”

So in the kind of world that Ayn Rand's followers would create millions of years of evolution that have allowed us to create the very modern civilization would be rejected for "screw you neighbour, I'm the most important thing in the universe.

Want to guess how long such a conservative fantasy world would last. Not long judging by how close the last conservative administration came to totally destroying the nation. Do American really have that short of an attention span?

Ayn Rand's and modern conservative ideology and policy blows society apart, it doesn't build it up. It's what sociopathy is all about.

 

[TenPenny]

it's very creepy that there's a major party in US politics that is based on the belief that not having a conscience gives it's leaders an edge.

But it does give you an edge. If you dont care about other people, its easier to push your agenda of selfishness.

if you have a conscience, you might have second thoughts. Apparently, Romney does, about health care, since he is waffling about dismantling all of it.

 

[Redmonton_Rebel]

So the man who may be a heartbeat away from the presidency next January is a disciple of one of the most sociopathic figures of modern times, way to go GOP.

 

[skookumchuck]

So the man who may be a heartbeat away from the presidency next January is a disciple of one of the most sociopathic figures of modern times, way to go GOP.

Keep it up with the "rightwing watch" comrade and we will bring back McCarthyism.

 

[taxslave]

Damn... Red is going OFF!

He is just proving that the looney left has more than it's fair share of sociopaths as well.
Actually he does that every time he posts.

Keep it up with the "rightwing watch" comrade and we will bring back McCarthyism.

Or at least make red take his meds so that he can maybe get a reality check.

 

[darkbeaver]

But it does give you an edge. If you dont care about other people, its easier to push your agenda of selfishness.

if you have a conscience, you might have second thoughts. Apparently, Romney does, about health care, since he is waffling about dismantling all of it.

Or he's aware of the rope.

 

[shadowshiv]

This is the OP, Red Rebel attacking one of our Mods in another thread. I think he gets a little too worked up about things.

Really? If you would be so inclined, I'd like to be directed to this particular thread.

 

[SLM]

Really? If you would be so inclined, I'd like to be directed to this particular thread.

It's the 'Denial Site' thread I think.

 

[beaker]

But it does give you an edge. If you dont care about other people, its easier to push your agenda of selfishness....

That is the case, but it doesn't give society the edge, at least in the long term. Long term behaviour that doesn't place any value on society generally, uses the resources people materials energy for anti-social use. I think that is the point. Who wants to continue to support people who not only don't appreciate the support but use it against the social good.