COVID-19 'Pandemic'
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Seasonal flu vs COVID fatality rate.
source: https://www.propublica.org/article/...-the-flu?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
Interesting that the graph on the left lumps all people 65+ into one metric, but the one on the right breaks it down further. It's also quite interesting that the graph compares American flu deaths (left graph) to Covid deaths in China (right graph), rather than comparing numbers in the same country.
You know what else has an extremely high fatality rate?? Old age. Since the average life expectancy of people in China is around 76, to calculate a fair comparison we can eliminate the 80+ from the graph and we extrapolate that the 65+ group on the covid graph is about 4-5%.
Of course, that wouldn't look nearly as dramatic on a graph.
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Cerebrovascular Aging...right back to protein C and C reactive proteins (CRP).
Increasing evidence shows that C‐reactive protein (CRP) is not only an inflammatory biomarker but also an important risk factor associated with ageing‐related diseases including cardiovascular disease, hypertension, diabetes mellitus, and kidney disease. Recent studies have demonstrated that CRP is pathogenic in a number of diseases including hypertensive cardiovascular and kidney complications, diabetic nephropathy, and acute and chronic kidney diseases. It is well known that CRP binds its receptor, CD32/CD64, to induce the process of inflammation by activating the NF‐κB signalling pathway. In addition, CRP mediates tissue fibrosis in a number of cardiovascular and kidney diseases by activating TGF‐β/Smad signalling via TGF‐β1‐dependent and independent mechanisms. Furthermore, CRP is able to activate mTOR signalling in the diabetic conditions. Our recent studies also revealed that CRP impairs cell regeneration by causing the G1 cell cycle arrest and promotes ageing via a Smad3‐dependent p21/p27 mechanism. In this review, we discuss the roles of CRP in ageing, with a focus on its function and mechanisms in physiological or “healthy” ageing, in ageing‐related diseases, and in cell signalling
Increasing evidence shows that C‐reactive protein (CRP) is not only an inflammatory biomarker but also an important risk factor associated with ageing‐related diseases including cardiovascular disease, hypertension, diabetes mellitus, and kidney disease. Recent studies have demonstrated that CRP is pathogenic in a number of diseases including hypertensive cardiovascular and kidney complications, diabetic nephropathy, and acute and chronic kidney diseases. It is well known that CRP binds its receptor, CD32/CD64, to induce the process of inflammation by activating the NF‐κB signalling pathway. In addition, CRP mediates tissue fibrosis in a number of cardiovascular and kidney diseases by activating TGF‐β/Smad signalling via TGF‐β1‐dependent and independent mechanisms. Furthermore, CRP is able to activate mTOR signalling in the diabetic conditions. Our recent studies also revealed that CRP impairs cell regeneration by causing the G1 cell cycle arrest and promotes ageing via a Smad3‐dependent p21/p27 mechanism. In this review, we discuss the roles of CRP in ageing, with a focus on its function and mechanisms in physiological or “healthy” ageing, in ageing‐related diseases, and in cell signalling
True.... and there's also a slew of evidence that contradict this claim. Here's a quick example from MedPage Today...
Mask recommendations are all over the place. What should we really be telling patients to do?
Kevin Campbell, MD, says evidence that everyone should wear a mask is shaky at best, and that maybe the general public shouldn't be wasting valuable PPE resources.
While a meta-analysis regarding the protective effects of wearing masks in the community has been published in the last week, the authors note that the findings on face masks and eye protection are based on very limited evidence, and none of the practices examined in the study fully protected against COVID-19 -- there really is no silver bullet. Another study from Texas A&M published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences concluded that masks were essential in curbing the spread, but the study was not designed to draw these conclusions -- it simply studied how viral particles were spread and extrapolated that the masks would be effective. So no real proof. There was no direct comparison or any real experiment using masks to prevent COVID-19 performed so that evidence -- again -- is shaky at best.
Currently, I believe that the media is using masking as a political prop and ultimately it is a reflexive reaction to anxiety and fear over the pandemic.
They're happy because President Plague-rat is on the loose and infecting people again.
There are so many red herring's in this conversation, that I may as well go shopping for a fishing rod, considering it's almost winter.
The Trump cult is active this morning. :lol:
If his position they don't work why does he consider them valuable and is concerned about wasting them? Seems like a contradiction in his argument.
That's kinda what happens when you get your medical degree from the Trump University School of Hydroxychloroquine.
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Yep, just the run of the mill, never Spanish. I think that one came to end in the early 1920s.
I know it's different for professional officers (doctors, lawyers, and chaplains; amongst other things their training is highly abbreviated, eight days vs. three months for the Air Force), but I was still appalled that some of those, including Conley, were allowed to hold commissions in the United States Navy.
No it didnt.
The 2009 swine flu pandemic was an influenza pandemic that lasted for about 19 months, from January 2009 to August 2010, and was the second of two pandemics involving H1N1 influenza virus (the first being the 1918–1920 Spanish flu pandemic).
Have you gotten your flu shot yet?
I don't know, you'd have to ask him. Maybe it's because N95 masks do have some effect protecting the wearer, and having the general public wear them "to protect others from you" is completely ineffective and a complete waste of PPE that health care providers and other professionals require. Just a guess though.
the point I was making is that there is so much conflicting information and contradiction from both sides of the argument, it's no surprise we can't get a straight answer. A lot of this contradiction has come from the same sources at different times. Meanwhile you have Girth and others like him who have bought in 100% (which I'm not criticizing btw) who are trying to push "their truth", at the expense of the perspective and rights of people who have different opinions.
Wear a mask if it makes you feel good, but don't push your agenda or opinion on me without conclusive evidence.
It's funny that looking through old research papers done on the effeicacy of mask use, I have come across a few papers published before this year that concluded surgical masks are of little utility and effectiveness in medical environments, and surprisingly these same papers have been retracted in the last 3-6 months. It may be because we know more now, or it may simply be that no one wants to be on the skeptical side of the narrative or be labeled a "mask use denier".
Gee, where have we seen examples of this social psychology and behavior before??
There are so many red herring's in this conversation, that I may as well go shopping for a fishing rod, considering it's almost winter.
The Trump cult is active this morning. :lol:
Rhetoric and innuendo....if that's the best you can come up with no surprise the graphs you dig up are worthless. Try finding one that compares like numbers rather than sensational garbage. I don't disagree that this thing is more dangerous than the flu, but making your point with exaggerated statistics makes you look like a zealot.
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