COVID-19 'Pandemic'

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I would guess in ALL aspects of medicine there are reputable people who put the well being of the patient above all else. I'm not prepared to guess how many, but I'd say "some - most" is probably accurate.
The problem is most drs are beholden to Big Pharma because that is where the money is. Naturopaths have cured many people of things that Big Pharma just wants to make them survive as a lifelong customer. A cured patient is no longer a customer. THings are much better in Europe because they work together.
 

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Most people go into medicine for that very reason , and to make money .


That is realistic, how much money in both direct costs and loss of income have they already sacrificed, but I think like most of us they are primarily there to do a good job!
 

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The problem is most drs are beholden to Big Pharma because that is where the money is. Naturopaths have cured many people of things that Big Pharma just wants to make them survive as a lifelong customer. A cured patient is no longer a customer. THings are much better in Europe because they work together.
ACTUALLY a cured patient has the opportunity to be a patient for longer than the chronic sickie!
 

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For the President and Vice-President. All other offices in the U.S. are by direct, popular vote.
We have that problem too. Although I think it is not so important at the municipal level because of the size of the playing field. If you look at a population map of Canada there is a huge concentration of voters in a very small area, yet they get to dictate what the whole rest of the country can do or not do. Often a law that works well in a city, or is at least benign has devastating consequences to large sparsely populated areas.
 

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How about a really CREDIBLE source for that comment. Not some fake garbage or social media fiction.
Medical professionals are neither taking it or prescribing it, unless it is used to treat a condition it has been approved for. It is not effective against COVID.
Bullshit.
It's a big lie. Politicians like Trump claim to have taken it, but no self-respecting medical professional is going to prescribe a drug that is ineffective.

Do you have proof that they are not taking it?

The Campaign Against Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) Sustained by Corrupt Medical Professionals with Ties to Big Pharma

A few years ago the British medical journal, The Lancet, published a paper touting the safety of HCQ. But this was before HCQ with zinc was found effective if used earlier enough against Covid-19. Covid-19 turned HCQ’s effectiveness into a big problem for Big Pharma’s big profits.

The solution was another study by medical professionals some of whom have ties to Big Pharma and none of whom, apparently, are involved in the treatment of Covid patients. The study lumps together people in different stages of the disease and undergoing different treatments. It touts its large sample, but many of the patients in the sample received treatment too late after the virus had reached their heart and other vital organs. Most likely the people who died from heart failure died as a result of the virus, not from HCQ.

To be effective treatment has to stop the virus early. Waiting until the patient must be hospitalized has given the virus too much of a head start. Every doctor, and there are many, who reports success with the HCQ treatment stresses early treatment. President Trump used a two-week treatment with HCQ as a prophylactic as he was constantly coming into contact with people who tested positive for the virus. Many medical professionals who are treating Covid patients also use HCQ as a prophylactic.

The Lancet study was a rush job as it was essential for Big Pharma to prevent the spread of the HCQ treatment and awareness of its safety and effectiveness. The study’s authors completed the data collection around the middle of April and the study was published on May 22. As soon as it appeared, it was used to close down the World Health Organization’s clinical trial of hydoxychloroquine in coronavirus patients citing safety concerns. Most likely, the trial was aborted in order to prevent an official agency from finding out that HCQ worked.

The media, of course, used the suspended trial to cast more doubt on Trump’s judgment for recommending and using the treatment, the implication being that Trump had put himself at more risk from a heart attack than from the virus itself.

The Daily Mail, which is often somewhat skeptical of official reports, even misreported French virologist Didier Raoult’s report (see this) of his success with treating 1,061 patients with HCQ/AZ as consisting of only a small sample of 30 patients (see this). A small sample is considered to be inconclusive. Thus 1,061 people became 30.....More

Over 65 Doctors, Medical Professionals And Scientists Call For Government To Use Hydroxychloroquine To Fight Coronavirus

Over 65 doctors, medical professionals and scientists joined New Jersey State Senator Joe Pennacchio in calling for local governments and the federal government to implement the use of Hydroxychloroquine to fight the coronavirus, COVID-19. Pennachio wrote over the weekend, “Federal and State agencies should prepare themselves for real time evaluation of HCQ and have in place a protocol for its manufacturing and distribution.”

The medical professionals responded after a French peer reviewed-study by infectious disease specialist Dr. Didier Raoult was published in the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents that showed 40 patients suffering from COVID-19 who had positive results after using Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ).

Gregory Rigano, an attorney, appeared on Fox News last week, where he claimed of Raoult’s study:

And I’m here to report that as of this morning, about 5:00 this morning, a well-controlled peer-reviewed study carried out by the most eminent infectious disease specialist in the world—Didier Raoult, MD, PhD—out of the south of France, in which he enrolled 40 patients, again, a well-controlled peer review study, that showed a 100 percent cure rate against coronavirus.

The medical professionals noted, “The French study also showed a significant decrease in ‘viral shedding,’ from patients treated with HCQ. The lower the shedding, the less likelihood that the virus can be communicated to other individuals.”

The medical professionals referred to a recent medical paper written by Dr. Raymond Chang of the Institute of East-West Medicine in New York and the National Taiwan University Hospital in Taiwan which concluded that Hydroxychloroquine was the best available treatment for COVID-19. Chang wrote: “Here we propose an old drug chloroquine (CQ) to be urgently repositioned as an ideal antiviral prophylactic against COVID-19. CQ has ability to block viral attachment and entry to host cells. Its proven clinical efficacy against a variety of viruses including COVID-19 and its current deployment in COVID-19 therapeutic trials strengthens its potential candidacy as a prophylactic. Furthermore, CQ has a long safety record, is inexpensive and widely available.”

Does hydroxychloroquine cut COVID-19 mortality? Expert urges caution

Written by Yella Hewings-Martin, Ph.D. on July 10, 2020 — Fact checked by Gianna D'Emilio

There was plenty of hype about the drug during the early months of the pandemic. On March 28, 2020, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) granted Emergency Use Authorization (EUA), allowing doctors to use HCQ and chloroquine (CQ) products in situations where clinical trials were not an option.

Last month, the FDA withdrew the EUA. The agency explains that it “has determined that CQ and HCQ are unlikely to be effective in treating COVID-19 for the authorized uses in the EUA. Additionally, in light of ongoing serious cardiac adverse events and other serious side effects, the known and potential benefits of CQ and HCQ no longer outweigh the known and potential risks for the authorized use.”

Clinical trials using the drug have shown mixed results and been marred with controversy. After an investigation by The Guardian into the quality of data analysis provided by a company called Surgisphere, the authors of one high-profile study in The Lancet retracted the paper.

Several institutions have since halted their HCQ studies, including the World Health Organization (WHO) and the National Institutes of Health (NIH).

Now, a new study in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases — by researchers from the Henry Ford Health System, in Michigan — reports that treatment with HCQ alone and in combination with the antibiotic azithromycin reduced the number of deaths among people in the hospital with severe COVID-19.

Comparing mortality rates
The corresponding author is Dr. Marcus J. Zervos, an infectious disease specialist at Henry Ford Hospital and the Wayne State University School of Medicine, both in Detroit, MI.

For their study, the team retrospectively reviewed the medical records of 2,541 individuals who received treatment for COVID-19 in Henry Ford Health System hospitals.

The aim of the research was to compare how many people with COVID-19 died while in the hospital after receiving either HCQ, HCQ and azithromycin, azithromycin on its own, or “other treatments for COVID-19,” as the authors explain in their paper.

Treatment with HCQ, azithromycin, or both began within 24 hours of hospital admission in 82% of cases, and within 48 hours of admission in 91% of cases.

Among the 2,541 patients in the study, 460 died, which equates to an overall mortality rate of 18.1%. In the group of 409 patients who received neither HCQ nor azithromycin, 108 died, representing a mortality rate of 26.4%.

A total of 1,202 patients received only HCQ, of whom 162 died, a mortality rate of 13.5%, while out of the 147 patients who received only azithromycin, 33 died, equating to a mortality rate of 22.4%......More

HUGE DEVELOPMENT: 51 Global Studies Find HCQ Effective in Treating COVID-19 — 16 Find HCQ NOT Effective — But 10 of Those Are Late Treatment Studies!


By Jim Hoft
Published July 31, 2020 at 10:43am
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How many tens of thousands of Americans must die because of Dr. Fauci’s mistakes?

It is becoming more and more apparent with each new day and as more information is accumulated that Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx, the CDC and the FDA failed in their response to the China Coronavirus.

Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx pushed a completely fraudulent Imperial College study to lockdown and destroy the greatest economy in US history.

Dr. Anthony Fauci has made at least 15 critical mistakes and contradictions since the start of the pandemic in March.

Perhaps Dr. Fauci’s most deadly mistake is his response to hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) treatments for the disease.
Dr. Fauci cheered the use of hydroxychloroquine in treating the MERS coronavirus in 2013 but for some reason resists its use today in treating the China coronavirus.

Now there is a website that tracks the international HCQ-Coronavirus studies.


HUGE DEVELOPMENT: 51 Global Studies Find HCQ Effective in Treating COVID-19 — 16 Find HCQ NOT Effective — But 10 of Those Are Late Treatment Studies!
By Jim Hoft
Published July 31, 2020 at 10:43am
258 Comments



How many tens of thousands of Americans must die because of Dr. Fauci’s mistakes?

It is becoming more and more apparent with each new day and as more information is accumulated that Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx, the CDC and the FDA failed in their response to the China Coronavirus.

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Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx pushed a completely fraudulent Imperial College study to lockdown and destroy the greatest economy in US history.

Dr. Anthony Fauci has made at least 15 critical mistakes and contradictions since the start of the pandemic in March.


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Perhaps Dr. Fauci’s most deadly mistake is his response to hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) treatments for the disease.
Dr. Fauci cheered the use of hydroxychloroquine in treating the MERS coronavirus in 2013 but for some reason resists its use today in treating the China coronavirus.

Now there is a website that tracks the international HCQ-Coronavirus studies.

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C19Study tracks the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine in treating coronavirus.

The countries that pushed HCQ use early have had the most success in treating the disease.

The website tracked all of the current international studies on HCQ use in treating the coronavirus.

Here are the results:

** Pre-exposure prophylaxis (or PrEP) — 100% success
** Post-Exposure Prophylaxis (or PEP) — 100% success
** Early Treatment — 100% success
** Late Treatment — 62%

There are over 70 global studies listed on the effectiveness of Hydroxychloroquine in treating the coronavirus.

51 of the global studies showed positive results.
16 of the global studies showed negative results — but 10 of those studies were late stage cases of coronavirus.

It is clear at this point that the top US medical professionals are KILLING Americans by downplaying the success of HCQ in treating the coronavirus......More
 

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"Canada's universal, publicly funded health-care system—known as Medicare—is a source of national pride, and a model of universal health coverage. It provides relatively equitable access to physician and hospital services through 13 provincial and territorial tax-funded public insurance plans."

source: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(18)30181-8/fulltext

I think you may be confusing "Universal" Health care, with "Free" Health care.
Is a source of national pride and high taxes .
 

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That's a very cynical way of looking at the World. For all that is wrong with large pharmaceutical companies, I think it is ridiculous to say or insinuate that pharmaceutical companies somehow do not care if a patient gets better. Patients that die don't make pharmaceutical companies money.

Things are better in Europe due to their respective systems having universal health care, something that Canada has, and the US does not.


Good to hear from a sensible poster. :)
 

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I would rather pay higher taxes, and develop a safety net for the poor and disadvantaged, than leave people that cannot afford to go to hospital and get treated, without any type of coverage. I would like to see all Canadians with a basic income, and be provided the basic necessities of life. If my taxes go up slightly, so be it.

There is more to life than taxes, pigs.
Hey governments already take 50% of your labor , why not just give them the other 50 . Good idea .
 

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Is a source of national pride and high taxes .


I guess what it all boils down to is people who balk at paying taxes would rather have a free ride paid by someone else! :)
I guess what might an acceptable alternative might be for everyone to take the responsibility for their own health and buy their own health insurance where the premiums are based on risk. That wouldn't address the problems faced by the destitute, so maybe the existing system IS best overall.
 

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That's great, but I asked for CREDIBLE sources, not Trump-supporting extreme-right news.
This is precisely why America has handled the crisis so horribly. There is too much misinformation on the web. Thankfully in Canada, COVID treatment has not become political, like it has in America. The results speak for themselves.
America has over 5,000,000 cases and 165,000 fatalities, while Canada has only 110,000 cases and less than 9,000 fatalities. That's the bottom line.
In fact, America has averaged 60,000 cases and 1,200 fatalities daily over the past month, while Canada has averaged 350 Cases, with under 10 fatalities.


3 of the 4 links in my post don't look to be Trump supporters, and I chose them because of it

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/ar...e-cut-covid-19-mortality-expert-urges-caution

https://www.globalresearch.ca/campaign-against-hcq-2/5714311

https://www.dailywire.com/news/over...o-use-hydroxychloroquine-to-fight-coronavirus
 

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Imagine if someone in pigs immediate family had to stay in an American hospital for a life saving operation for two weeks. That would bankrupt his family, likely to cost over $50,000. In Canada, that operation would be free.

A big discount to the patient, his operation was not free to all Canadians that paid for it.