COVID-19 'Pandemic'

Ocean Breeze

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IdRatherBeSkiing said:
If it does not have your location data, how does it know you have been in contact with someone? The only way this would be useful is if it WAS storing your location data in real time. It would then compare your locations with the covid carrier and send you the alert. It's fine to be ok with it doing that but don't pretend its not doing it.



In addition to my distrust of the government to not to use the data in ways not intended and/or not leave it exposed to hackers who could do God knows what with it, I think it will drain my battery and my data. For this to work, it will need to be monitoring my location and relaying it constantly. Location services are a drain on my battery and data is not unlimited or free.


All these and more are the reasons this app will not be on my phone.
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fair enough.

I don't understand the programming......but it is supposed to be sensitive to people that have the virus. (I don't yet know the proximity) Whether it is sensitive t temperature or?? I have not found out yet. The location where this contact took place is not recorded.

To me it has value from a health perspective....... as that is my interest. We collectively , must overcome this pandemic. It is hurting everything.
 
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The app does not know who you are. It simply establishes a bluetooth connection with any other phone it is near to. When someone tests positive the person is given a key to enter that will automatically send an alert to all of the phones it was close to during the time period.

Who you are and where you are are irrelevant.
 
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To Ocean Breeze

You have the right attitude and that's why its so nice to have you on the team during this time.
 
Ocean Breeze

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Hoid said:
The app does not know who you are. It simply establishes a bluetooth connection with any other phone it is near to. When someone tests positive the person is given a key to enter that will automatically send an alert to all of the phones it was close to during the time period.

Who you are and where you are are irrelevant.
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That explains a it more re: how it works. Thx.
 
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I should have pointed out that the other phone needs to have the app as well.

But I should also point out that every bit of your data is sold and used every day.

Anyone who thinks they are somehow invisible is kidding themself.
 
IdRatherBeSkiing

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Hoid said:
At this point you are crossing over the line from being understandably skeptical to being intentionally harmful.

This is why nobody wants you on the team. Ever.
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I don't want my phone connecting to other phones using bluetooth either. I am simply explaining why I don't want the app on my phone and why it's not going on my phone. The gain is not worth the cost.


I don't want to be on any team.
 
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Hoid said:
The app does not know who you are. It simply establishes a bluetooth connection with any other phone it is near to. When someone tests positive the person is given a key to enter that will automatically send an alert to all of the phones it was close to during the time period.

Who you are and where you are are irrelevant.
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I guess that could work. But I don't want my phone connecting to other phones.
 
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you know its fine to be skeptical and wary and in fact its healthy

but when you call something that you don't understand "useless" when in fact it would be extremely useful you become a problem.

the ability to quickly inform people if they have been put at risk is a valuable tool against a highly contagious sickness. it may well save lives.
 
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Hoid said:
you know its fine to be skeptical and wary and in fact its healthy

but when you call something that you don't understand "useless" when in fact it would be extremely useful you become a problem.

the ability to quickly inform people if they have been put at risk is a valuable tool against a highly contagious sickness. it may well save lives.
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It was implemented differently than I thought it would be. I withdraw the useless observation given the new information on how it is implemented. I would still not say it is useful however as it still requires all people to have it on their phones or have a phone. That isn't going to happen. And it also assumes you buy the party line about how it is implemented.


It will not be on my phone. Even if it works as described, I don't want my phone connecting to God knows how many other phones. Bluetooth also consumes battery.



I do have a couple of questions. 10 days ago Person A and Person B cross paths at Walmart. Now Person A has been diagnosed with COVID. He enters the code in his app. How is Person B notified? His phone is no longer in proximity to Person A. The only logical conclusion is that the codes are in a government database which this app is also pinging periodically (using data). A second question, Is it now on the honour of the receiver to get tested? Will there be a followup from the government?
 
Ocean Breeze

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IdRatherBeSkiing said:
I don't want my phone connecting to other phones using bluetooth either. I am simply explaining why I don't want the app on my phone and why it's not going on my phone. The gain is not worth the cost.


I don't want to be on any team.
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The app is not mandatory. It is a personal choice. All it is ,is another tool in a small tool kit to deal with this pandemic. More strategies will emerge. We have the whole world working on this. problem.
 
DaSleeper

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IdRatherBeSkiing said:
I know it would do it in the background. It would still take phone resources to do it.
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The only reason hoid is in fafour of this app is because trudeau announced it!
One more thing , The range of bluetooth out in the open is about 30 to 50 feet.
If an infected person is walking down a busy street, which he shouldn't be doing in the first place, the hospitals will be swamped with demand for tests...from people who were not even close to that infected person
 
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IdRatherBeSkiing

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Girth said:
Find out the old fashioned way?....you are going to let someone with COVID infect you?
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The infection will happen regardless of whether I have the app or not. I will be called by public health, there will be a notice or I would show symptoms. I am not going to let anybody knowingly infect me. I maintain social distance everywhere possible and I wash my hands frequently. Not much else I can do. If the app guaranteed I wouldn't be infected, I would get it. It does not and will not help in that regard.
 
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