Costa Concordia lift could spew toxic soup of rotting food and chemicals into sea

Tecumsehsbones

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Different country. Whys should the Italians give a damn about commuters in Nevada? If there was about 150,000 tons of wrecked and rotting cars on the side of the road or right next to a residential area I imagine people would complain and want it removed.

That pretty much describes Nevada.
 

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Didnt see any there. At least none that claimed to be.



Not all of it. There is still fuel in the ship. There is a resort town only a few miles away. I imagine the locals wouldnt have been too happy if that got out.



Different country. Why should the Italians give a damn about commuters in Nevada? If there was about 150,000 tons of wrecked and rotting cars on the side of the road or right next to a residential area I imagine people would complain and want it removed.

Without a salvage operation all the fuel would eventually wind up in the ocean. Even if the salvage had gone wrong and the fuel spilled they would be no worse off than leaving it alone.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Given the choices, this is a small price to pay.
Not really. The Dutch firm Smit Salvage was on site within 20 hours of the wreck happening, and offered to get the ship off the rock and into a scrapyard for 250 million euros and do the job in 8 months. This whole process has been corrupted by people making sure the salvage work went to Italian firms who don't really know how to do this, breaking several EU laws about open bidding in the process, so instead it's taking three times as long and costing four times as much. Smit knows what it's doing, it's the firm that raised the Soviet nuclear sub Kursk from the seabed off Norway in 108 meters of water, and dealt safely and effectively with live nuclear ordnance and a hot power reactor. This would have been an easy one for them: weld plates over the hole, pump the ship full of styrofoam balls to float it, tow it to the ship breakers.
 

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But the problems created by journalists can be corrected with a pen
Yeah, no-one's reputation has ever been ruined because of false claims by journalists. "Corrected with a pen"? In some dreamworld maybe.
while the fukups of engineers require lots of work by those of us that know what we are doing and quite often legions of lawyers are involved. Oh That explains why you like engineers.
Yeah, legions of lawyers never rub their greedy little mitts over fukups by journalists. lol
 

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Ummm...

Pretty sure you're missing something-they just did it-that's what this thread is about.

No I'm sure you are mistaken you see you don't know how science works.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Ummm...

Pretty sure you're missing something-they just did it-that's what this thread is about.
No, you missed something: it's taking three times as long and costing four times as much as Smit's bid because they didn't know what they were doing, they had to make it up as they went along, and they haven't done it yet, all they've done so far is righted the ship.
 

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No, you missed something: it's taking three times as long and costing four times as much as Smit's bid because they didn't know what they were doing, they had to make it up as they went along, and they haven't done it yet, all they've done so far is righted the ship.

I think you missed something...............possibly $million if you'd have been there "Johnny on the Spot" showing them how it should be done.
 

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No, you missed something: it's taking three times as long and costing four times as much as Smit's bid because they didn't know what they were doing, they had to make it up as they went along, and they haven't done it yet, all they've done so far is righted the ship.
It's a little known fact that I too bid on that job.

All I wanted was a 3 month paid holiday, all the pasta I could eat/wine I could drink and a case of dynamite-never heard back from them though.
 

Dexter Sinister

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According to European friends of mine, it's worse than that. Even with the ship righted, there will be more costs. It'll be fitted with external floating compartments on the starboard side, and that's the end of the current contract, it doesn't include getting the vessel to the breakers yard, and it's not known whether those attached compartments will endure the tow. That's what happens when you hire firms with no real salvage expertise. The insurance companies involved are going to file charges against the Italian authorities in the European High Court for breaking the EU's fair competition laws, and for fraud, embezzlement, and anything else they can think of. Can't really blame them for that, otherwise they're on the hook for the over a billion euro cost of this salvage operation, after Smit Salvage offering to have that ship at the breakers almost a year ago for less than a quarter of what this operation's going to cost.

No I'm sure you are mistaken you see you don't know how science works.
This isn't science, it's engineering. If you're going to indulge in mockery, at least try to know what you're talking about.
 

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In the old days a captain abandoned his ship but times have changed. The sucker who captained the vessel is being charged on manslaughter and some say he should be facing more serious charges. I wonder who is going to pay that billion dollar bill for removal, cleanup, and all other liabilities?
 

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In the old days a captain abandoned his ship but times have changed. The sucker who captained the vessel is being charged on manslaughter and some say he should be facing more serious charges. I wonder who is going to pay that billion dollar bill for removal, cleanup, and all other liabilities?

Maybe those buddies of his on shore that he was trying to impress might pass the hat around and collect a few lira! -:)