Conservative 'Robocalls' tricked voters in last election

[CDNBear]

:lol: Let's wait while JLM consults his journal for notes. Sorry JLM, couldn't resist

I don't know but I bet it was a damn sight cheaper! :lol:

I'd say it was probably relative.

 

[SLM]

It is really sad that the Conservatives are playing coy about this and not willing to produce their calls publicly, as the NDP and Liberals offered. It says to the public, they have something to hide..

Not necessarily. It's really no different than an accused opting not to take the stand in his/her own trial. People read into things. Not divulging and hiding are two different things.

Believe me I'm no more a fan of the Conservatives than I am of any other party. But that is a leap in reasoning.

Was it any better when it was run by Farmers and Railwaymen?

There were less robot telemarketers. That was one good thing.

 

[DaSleeper]

Was it any better when it was run by Farmers and Railwaymen?

The farmer's almanach only predicts temperature......not elections;-)

 

[JLM]

I'd say it was probably relative.

Ya don't think farmers and railway men are more honest? :smile:

 

[SLM]

The farmer's almanach only predicts temperature......not elections;-)

If there's no info in there about polling stations, it may just be the way to go. Solve the problem before it starts.

 

[Goober]

As I mentioned this story has legs - regardless of Polls -

It appears more stink just surfaced like a dead rotting fish.

Robocall company payments not declared by the Tories, can't explain why | News | National Post

OTTAWA — Elections Canada investigators probing the robocalls scandal are interviewing workers on the Conservative campaign in Guelph, Ont., and trying to determine why payments made to an Edmonton voice-broadcasting company were not declared in financial reports filed with the agency.

In recent days, the agency has spoken to at least three workers from the campaign of Conservative candidate Marty Burke, including the official agent responsible for ensuring the campaign’s financial report was accurate.

Elections Canada wants to know why the costs of automated calls the campaign has admitted sending out never appeared in the campaign’s expense report, as required by law.

Andrew Prescott, the deputy campaign manager, said he is co-operating with the investigation and handing over bills he received from RackNine Inc. for a series of robocalls promoting Burke events during the election.

The same company was used to transmit misleading Elections Canada calls on election day.

Meanwhile, Elections Canada is also investigating records at PayPal, an online payment and money transfer service, the Globe and Mail has reported, and is using a court order to ask the company to hand over information as a part of the Guelph investigation.

Burke’s unsuccessful campaign against Liberal incumbent Frank Valeriote was managed by Ken Morgan, a former candidate for city council in Guelph. Burke has not spoken publicly since the robocalls controversy and has not responded to emails requesting comment. Postmedia was unable to reach Morgan.

It is unclear why the Burke campaign did not report the costs Prescott said he submitted. Failing to declare campaign expenses is a breach of the Elections Act.

The detailed expense claims submitted to the Burke campaign included receipts for everything from local advertising costs, gasoline and pizza for campaign workers. But the Burke campaign’s accountant, Abdul-Qayum Ali, said he never received any invoices for RackNine.

Bear - Here is the story - I posted it early this am.

 

[Tonington]

The farmer's almanach only predicts temperature......not elections;-)

And it only correctly identifies the sign of preciptiation and temperature in it's forecasts 51.9 per cent of the time and 50.7 per cent of the time respectively, which is for all intents and purposes, no better than chance at 50-50.
Online NewsHour: Forum with Weatherman Ed O'Lenic -- February 2, 1996

In the October 1981 issue of Weatherwise, pages 212-215, John E. Walsh and David Allen performed a check on the accuracy of 60 monthly forecasts of temperature and precipitation from the Old Farmer's Almanac at 32 stations in the U.S. They found that 50.7 percent of the monthly temperature forecasts and 51.9 percent of the precipitation forecasts verified with the correct sign. These may be compared with the 50 percent success rate expected by chance.​

 

[CDNBear]

Ya don't think farmers and railway men are more honest? :smile:

Given the stories I've read of graft, back in the day, no, not really.

Bear - Here is the story - I posted it early this am.

Ya, that's one Conservatives campaign. Boomer made it sound like the CPC had.

And it only correctly identifies the sign of preciptiation and temperature in it's forecasts 51.9 per cent of the time and 50.7 per cent of the time respectively, which is for all intents and purposes, no better than chance at 50-50.
Online NewsHour: Forum with Weatherman Ed O'Lenic -- February 2, 1996

In the October 1981 issue of Weatherwise, pages 212-215, John E. Walsh and David Allen performed a check on the accuracy of 60 monthly forecasts of temperature and precipitation from the Old Farmer's Almanac at 32 stations in the U.S. They found that 50.7 percent of the monthly temperature forecasts and 51.9 percent of the precipitation forecasts verified with the correct sign. These may be compared with the 50 percent success rate expected by chance.​

Geezus! Stop being so cerebral! LOL

 

[Tonington]

Geezus! Stop being so cerebral! LOL

A bear is a bear, can't fault it for being a bear. I yam what I yam, or some such thing

 

[CDNBear]

A bear is a bear, can't fault it for being a bear. I yam what I yam, or some such thing

Touche!

 

[DaSleeper]

A bear is a bear, can't fault it for being a bear. I yam what I yam, or some such thing

Farmer's Almanach predicts yearly temperature about as well as those "enlightened" scientists predict "Man Made global warming....:lol:

 

[Tonington]

Farmer's Almanach predicts yearly temperature about as well as those "enlightened" scientists predict "Man Made global warming....:lol:

Scientists don't predict next years temperature let alone next year's man-made global warming.... they project, and use things like uncertainty because no scientist worth their salt would ever claim to be even 10% successful with a specific prediction for time, place, and amount of some quantity so far in the future.... The Almanac on the other hand says that March 15-18th, storms will roll in and bring 25 centimeters of snow. That is a prediction.

 

[CDNBear]

 

[mentalfloss]

Contrary to the lone Nanos poll - Conservative support went down while NDP and Liberals remained steady in 2nd and 3rd respectively. I told you guys.. remember 6 - 6 - 6 . The 6th day of every month is when threehundredeight.com takes all respective polls into account.

 

[CDNBear]

Contrary to the lone Nanos poll - Conservative support went down while NDP and Liberals remained steady in 2nd and 3rd respectively. I told you guys.. remember 6 - 6 - 6 . The 6th day of every month is when threehundredeight.com takes all respective polls into account.

Anti-Harper crowd chase their tails | Editorial | Opinion | Toronto Sun

 

[mentalfloss]

Anti-Harper crowd chase their tails | Editorial | Opinion | Toronto Sun

Ha! I guess that guy doesn't follow the polls that closely then.

I find this tends to happen every month. There will be one poll on the first or second day of the month that the media will take and run with for a good headline. Then, on the sixth when all the data is put properly into context, nobody notices.

It's pretty seedy if you ask me.

 

[CDNBear]

Ha! I guess that guy doesn't follow the polls that closely then.

I find this tends to happen every month. There will be one poll on the first or second day of the month that the media will take and run with for a good headline. Then, on the sixth when all the data is put properly into context, nobody notices.

It's pretty seedy if you ask me.

Zooooooooooooooooooooooommmmmm.....

 

[mentalfloss]

Zooooooooooooooooooooooommmmmm.....

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[CDNBear]

omg yer liek sooooooooooo smrt you could be a fish instead of bear liek wowwwowowowow

 

[Colpy]

Bear,you should have del mastros job,you make about as much sense,if you don't think this is important,you'er just the kind of sheep steve is looking for

The simple fact is.....the situation has been blown completely out of proportion.

........ what did Elections Canada's actual 190-page report from the last election say?

It referenced hundreds of irregularities the 2011 election. Most of which were Elections Canada staff sleeping in or otherwise not showing up at a polling station on time. There were a few reports of shenanigans. But here's what they concluded, on page 3: "There was no conduct reported that would bring into question the integrity of the election result overall or the result in a particular riding."

In fact, their report calls media comments to the contrary "speculation."

So were there irregularities? There always are in a country of 34 million people and thousands of temporary Elections Canada workers. But Elections Canada concluded the results were not affected.

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Here's one more inconvenient fact. Not a single Canadian *- not one *- has come forward to say that some robot phone call made them miss out on voting.

Not a single Canadian was fooled.

(my emphasis)

Sorry, robots didn't highjack the election - Ezra Levant