Best intentions for what, a one-party state, because that's where the conservatives are taking us.
As for wannabe-powermongerers, I'm more concerned about the actual one we have in power now.
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Best intentions for what, a one-party state, because that's where the conservatives are taking us.
As for wannabe-powermongerers, I'm more concerned about the actual one we have in power now.
Unless it's the party that you support, eh?.. Then a one-party state (like the libs have had for so many years in power) was A-OK because they were doing the "right thing"?
Vote whatever you want, that's what a free system is all about.
But keep in mind where the present government is taking us. The Speaker has just ruled the government is in contempt of Parliament on two issues, the Oda affair and releasing documents on funding, this in addition to a finding last year that the government needed to release more information on the war in Afganistan to be in compliance with Parliamentary priviledge- something that never realy happened. Taken along with all the other borderline dictatorial nonsense of Harper and his "Fortress PMO" mentality does it make any sense to keep supporting a party that got into power riding a wave of support for reform to make Parliament more accountable not less. According to the conservatives it's all about the economy and Canadians don't really care about the erosion of the democratic process under their term. Considering the best science tells us that Harper(like Bush did) is leading us down a road to ruin ecologically and financially we're already seeing a massive debt be piled on taxpayers(we just learned the figures on the F-35 are low by about $13 billion) we can't even trust the conservatives on the economic future of Canada... so what's left.
Yea, whenever I hear of this corruption between Libs and Cons - I like to find out exactly which individuals or what administration is responsible. Just because they did something corrupt doesn't necessarily mean it should taint your future vote for that 'party'.
Of course the finger pointers who will bend over for one or the other out of principle make me facepalm.
Of course the finger pointers who will bend over for one or the other out of principle make me facepalm.
What was that vote in Quebec again, 51% to 49%, if the Liberals had been that much less successful we wouldn't even be here talking about this. It doesn't excuse what they did to keep the country together just puts into context their actions.
Please explain to me why the conservatives are treating the rest of the house as the enemy, because as far as I can see that's the same as treating the majority of Canadians with contempt... thus the recent rulings of the Speaker.
Okay....let's get real here.
The Conservatives were playing a game that they thought was legal and acceptable.........using money left over from the Federal campaign to top up individuals to their spending limit.........on the condition they use the money to buy Federal ads for their riding. In other words, the money went into the riding to top the candidate up to his limit.....then back out of the riding to buy the ads from the national party.
No big deal....in fact, a lower court agreed....no big deal. That was overturned, but the action was at least debatable, and not one dime over the cumulative spending limit was spent.
The Liberals stole something like 100 million taxpayer dollars. AFTER the referendum, not before. The party president in Quebec was so frightened of the guys the Libs were handing money to that he refused to testify without police protection. No wonder. One of the bagmen had his car blow up in the driveway the SUMMER before when he remotely started it.
Yep. The usual Liberal business contacts.
While an alleged "made man" sat in cabinet.
These ARE NOT the same type of thing.
For the first part, see above.
Now, in the second part you have a point........
The Conservatives were playing a game that they thought was legal and acceptable.........using money left over from the Federal campaign to top up individuals to their spending limit.........on the condition they use the money to buy Federal ads for their riding. In other words, the money went into the riding to top the candidate up to his limit.....then back out of the riding to buy the ads from the national party.
No big deal....in fact, a lower court agreed....no big deal. That was overturned, but the action was at least debatable, and not one dime over the cumulative spending limit was spent.
The Liberals stole something like 100 million taxpayer dollars. AFTER the referendum, not before. The party president in Quebec was so frightened of the guys the Libs were handing money to that he refused to testify without police protection. No wonder. One of the bagmen had his car blow up in the driveway the SUMMER before when he remotely started it.
Yep. The usual Liberal business contacts.
While an alleged "made man" sat in cabinet.
These ARE NOT the same type of thing.
For the first part, see above.
Now, in the second part you have a point........
Anyone with half an ounce of brains realizes that these are just typical of thousands of cases happening right across the country every week of the year and is not peculiar to any single political party. THEY ARE ALL TARRED WITH THE SAME BRUSH.
It's a good thought in theory- in practice not so good. First of all you have to determine and ensure that what you are changing to is an improvement, otherwise you are just running up big bills for no benefit. Everytime there's a change of government theres about $300,000,000 just to hold the election. Then if a new gov't is successful, there are a few $billion costs in changing stationery, letterheads etc. and a few more $billions in severence packages to positions like deputy ministers, then there's a few more $million squandered painting and refurbishing Sussex Drive, so in reality about the only thing in common with baby's diapers is the stench.
I have nothing but disdain for Trudeau Liberals. They've stolen from our country and gave to Quebec. Even the Liberal Party was stolen from; as last I heard, the Liberal Party claims it is broke and has to purchase T-Shirts made in China and Guatemala to counter Harper's televised ads. I thought the Liberal Party of Canada was once the Canadian (not to be mistaken with British Empire) Nationalist party? So why are they purchasing T-Shirts made in China? Ridiculous! I bet Harper's ads were made with a Canadian company!
The Liberal Party needs to admit their mistakes, drop Ignatieff and join the Conservatives in a coalition. Unrealistic and I am afraid it won't happen; because the older members of the party have fond memories of Trudeau and Pearson, but it's the only thing that will save Canada from Harper.
I don't vote conservative in provincial politics but I vote conservative, federally, why? Because they're the only party in Canada that even bothers to take a stance against state multiculturalism and bilingualism
But that doesn't mean I would welcome a "Reformed-Conserative Majority"; which under Harper, would amount to dropping the Canadian Maple Leaf and a return to the Canadian Red Ensign, dismantling of Healthcare, massive military spending and borders so tight that I couldn't even allow distant relatives of mine to emmigrate to Canada.
I feel a Liberal Party coalition with the conservatives would be the best outcome.
Canadians are not happy with the status quo. The 2010 Olympics had proven something, that we Canadians were more fond of our "Olympic Patriotism" than our "Canada Day Multiculturalism" which had performers, who needed either needed translators or subtitles, saying how much they love Canada (yeah our money alright) and were playing Caribbean music and other crap that's not remotely Canadian.
Canada Day for most people I know amounts to turning off the television and ignoring multiculturalism and trying to celebrate the Canada the way it was in the 1980s and not 2000's.
Just to annoy the un-Canadian and internationalists liberals who hate Canadian culture - here's a clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hVOBhaDLXw&feature=related
Vs. this kind of Trudeauist ****
(Don't watch the clip more than 3 seconds if you have heart problems)
If it wasn't for the title on the video, I wouldn't even have known it was Canada Day. American accent and American dancing - heck yea! Every other culture is allowed in Canada except Canadian.
I won't ever make it a secret that I hate Trudeau with a burning passion for destroying my country! The Canada how it should be (in the above clips) is much different than the one the Trudeauist claim it should be. Not a "race thing" at all; as is the common Liberal pun, as there are Asians and Metis in the first three clips. This is hostility towards everything Canadian that I hate about the Liberal Party. Afraid about Harper selling us to the Yanks? I'm more afraid of Ignatieff selling us out to the world.
The Liberal Party needs to admit their mistakes, drop Ignatieff and join the Conservatives in a coalition. Unrealistic and I am afraid it won't happen; because the older members of the party have fond memories of Trudeau and Pearson, but it's the only thing that will save Canada from Harper.
I don't vote conservative in provincial politics but I vote conservative, federally, why? Because they're the only party in Canada that even bothers to take a stance against state multiculturalism and bilingualism
But that doesn't mean I would welcome a "Reformed-Conserative Majority"; which under Harper, would amount to dropping the Canadian Maple Leaf and a return to the Canadian Red Ensign, dismantling of Healthcare, massive military spending and borders so tight that I couldn't even allow distant relatives of mine to emmigrate to Canada.
I feel a Liberal Party coalition with the conservatives would be the best outcome.
Canadians are not happy with the status quo. The 2010 Olympics had proven something, that we Canadians were more fond of our "Olympic Patriotism" than our "Canada Day Multiculturalism" which had performers, who needed either needed translators or subtitles, saying how much they love Canada (yeah our money alright) and were playing Caribbean music and other crap that's not remotely Canadian.
Canada Day for most people I know amounts to turning off the television and ignoring multiculturalism and trying to celebrate the Canada the way it was in the 1980s and not 2000's.
Just to annoy the un-Canadian and internationalists liberals who hate Canadian culture - here's a clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hVOBhaDLXw&feature=related
Vs. this kind of Trudeauist ****
(Don't watch the clip more than 3 seconds if you have heart problems)
I won't ever make it a secret that I hate Trudeau with a burning passion for destroying my country! The Canada how it should be (in the above clips) is much different than the one the Trudeauist claim it should be. Not a "race thing" at all; as is the common Liberal pun, as there are Asians and Metis in the first three clips. This is hostility towards everything Canadian that I hate about the Liberal Party. Afraid about Harper selling us to the Yanks? I'm more afraid of Ignatieff selling us out to the world.
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Of course it's extra.
Probably multi billions- first of all there are 308 M.P.s and everyone of those have secretaries, deputies and other various aides who all have special stationery, business cards, fancy name plates on doors and desks etc- it's all part of THE TROUGH, that doesn't benefit the tax payer one iota, just feeds the ego of a bunch of ego maniacs.
If an election is called, it will cost $300,000,000 million regardless of whether or not the result is to elect a new government....not an extra cost.
So? Its a simple matter to change letterhead, which needs to be printed regardless of who is in the house. Multi-billions? Two billion is approximately $6.5 million per MP, on letterhead and stationary. You're nuts, and I fail to see how that is probable.
Really? The only way to save Canada from Harper according to you is to remove the opposition in parliament?
Ah so it's bigotry that spurs you into taking an active role in our political future.
A little too White for you?
Yes you said that just earlier in this message you posted. I have to wonder if you know what democracy is and why you think the public would get to vote on some measure of merger within the two parties? You do understand that it's the membership of the party that votes on the make up of the party which is presented to the public to elect or not, don't you? Because you seem to have it backward in what you present here.
Canadians are never happy with the status quo. That in part, is what makes us a progressive nation. Now I understand you have a serious dislike for Asians as you feel excluded from that culture in your area. In Toronto where I live, and there is no where else that is even close to as multicultural as Toronto, I enjoy all the benefits of Multiculturalism. Where putting the focus on the good aspects of many cultures adds to the vibrant life of the city, while dealing with the small amount of negative aspects brought along with some people, who incidentally hate the idea of multiculturalism just like you, and transport their old grudges to Canada. But that is a very small problem to deal with when people pull together rather than apart as you suggest.
Quit living in the past. You're childhood is gone and you will not ever get it back for anything. Enjoy it for what it was and make the present even batter by taking life as it comes and making it a little better.
If you spent a little bit of time looking for what makes you happy rather than spending so much of your life
dwelling on what makes you angry, you may change your own outlook on the state of the nation and the way you see things around you.
Us and Them.
I don't think you even know what Canadian culture is.
We are a part of the rest of the world. You should come to grips with that. Politicians are going to make someone angry and that is guaranteed. That we pull in this direction and then another helps us to grow in the way we know is safe and progressive for all. It's when we allow only a single vision and refuse all others do we fall into the trap that has been repeatedly displayed by all the worst governments and dictators we as a country in league with other like minded countries, ultimately have to remove from power at a terrible cost of human life.
So understand why it is that I desist and refute your vision of one people in a pure nation.