Conservative bosses cheating in elections

Unforgiven

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Are you old enough to remember what happened the last time we let the Liberals get their hands in the cookie jar?

Yeah it was 8 years of surplus, paying down the debt and no to the Iraq war. Now that we're in hawk up to our eyeballs again, I expect we're off to war as soon as the new jets arrive.

But let me understand this correctly, you don't mind the stealing from the public purse, just who it is that's doing the stealing?
 

DaSleeper

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Unforgiven

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A long-simmering battle has reignited between Stephen Harper and Canada’s election watchdog after four Conservative officials were charged with “willfully” exceeding spending limits in the 2006 campaign that vaulted the Tories to power.

It’s an embarrassing and potentially damaging development for the Harper Conservatives, who campaigned five years ago to clean up federal politics and could face a spring election if opposition parties vote down the 2011 budget.

Those charged include two sitting Conservative senators: Doug Finley, a former party campaign manager, and Irving Gerstein, a major Tory fundraiser who is also accused of providing a “materially false and misleading statement.”

The charges, filed in an Ontario court this week, were laid by the independent Commissioner of Canada Elections, and carry a maximum penalty of $2,000 or one year in jail, or both.

Opposition parties say the controversy boils down to whether parties with more money should be allowed to circumvent spending caps in the battle for votes. “No one is supposed to be able to buy an election in this country just because you have deeper pockets and a fatter chequebook,” New Democratic MP Pat Martin said.

The Conservatives, who’ve amassed a reputation for battling federal watchdogs – from the nuclear regulator to the Veterans Ombudsman – are defiant. They say that a January, 2010, legal victory in a case they brought before federal court on campaign spending should have given the Commissioner of Canada Elections pause before laying charges.

“This is a five-year-old accounting dispute,” said Pierre Poilievre, Parliamentary secretary to Prime Minister Stephen Harper. “For Elections Canada to ignore a federal court decision and lay administrative charges is puzzling at best and unfair at worst.”

Mr. Harper told reporters on Friday the Conservatives always respected campaign finance rules.

It’s rare for the Commissioner of Canada Elections to take a political party to court.

The dispute over the so-called in-and-out financing scheme stretches back to 2008 when the Mounties raided Conservative party headquarters over the matter.

Elections Canada alleges the Tories broke federal law in the 2006 election campaign, skirting an $18.3-million spending cap, by shifting extra advertising expenses to candidates, who have separate expenditure limits.

The federal elections agency said this was a tactic to claim national campaign expenses as local expenses in 67 ridings and exceed the national campaign-spending limit by more than $1-million.

Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff rejected the notion this is merely a dispute over accounting methods. “This is a million-dollar scam. This is not small potatoes.”

Also charged are Michael Donison, the Conservative Party’s former executive director, and Susan Kehoe, a senior Tory staffer – as well as the Conservative Party of Canada and the Conservative Fund of Canada.

Ipsos Reid pollster Darrell Bricker said he doesn’t foresee the charges resonating with voters. “Pushing a wad of money over a checkered tablecloth at an Italian restaurant? People get that and know that’s bad. The in-and-out scheme? It’s a little harder to explain to Canadians how it worked and why it’s bad.”
 

relic

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How about the fact that harper and his gang of talking heads campained on a platforum of honesty and transparancy and have done the fair oposite for their entire tenure. Would you buy a car from any of those dirtbags ?
Then there's all you goomers that yap about lefties and rightys,doesn;t matter what kind of asshole is on that side,towing the party line is all that keeps these goomers going,your blind to your bias,and from it.
 

Unforgiven

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It's pointless to discuss in the context of any specific political party. It doesn't matter what party you insert into the sentence, they are all guilty of the exact same actions.

But why would you support a party and try to keep it in power when you know that it is corrupt? Isn't that worse in that you know first hand that they are corrupt yet you accept that and continue to support them anyway? Does that tell you something about yourself? Why won't you support another party that hasn't even formed a government from the one's in Parliament?
 

captain morgan

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But why would you support a party and try to keep it in power when you know that it is corrupt? Isn't that worse in that you know first hand that they are corrupt yet you accept that and continue to support them anyway? Does that tell you something about yourself? Why won't you support another party that hasn't even formed a government from the one's in Parliament?

They are all corrupt and all excepting the Greens (because they have never held any substantial # of seats) have proven their propensity for broken promises, sketchy behavior and some have even ventured into the realm of criminal acts.

To suggest that the Libs, NDP or Bloc can only be 'suspected' of such activity is simply not correct as the past performance indicts all parties.
 

Unforgiven

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They are all corrupt and all excepting the Greens (because they have never held any substantial # of seats) have proven their propensity for broken promises, sketchy behavior and some have even ventured into the realm of criminal acts.

To suggest that the Libs, NDP or Bloc can only be 'suspected' of such activity is simply not correct as the past performance indicts all parties.

Well the Liberals have a track record. Not the NDP nor the Greens Nor the Bloq so you can't really say they are all corrupt as only two parties have formed the government.

My point was though, that while you know the Liberals and Conservatives are corrupt, why do you support the Conservatives rather than push for a new party or one of the ones that hasn't formed a government? Do you agree that your point about corruption should dictate such a position?
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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The sooner the Liberals get rid of Ignatieff and start creating some kind of vision the sooner they will get out of the doldrums.

They will not sink this government trying to find scandal whether it exists or not. It doesn't matter if the four Conservatives were laundering money through the Russian Mafia the Liberals still suck too badly to lead this Country and the NDP doesn't even measure up to a hand job.

And let's face it. A hand job from Jack Layton is creepy on so many levels.
 

polaris

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The sooner the Liberals get rid of Ignatieff and start creating some kind of vision the sooner they will get out of the doldrums.

They will not sink this government trying to find scandal whether it exists or not. It doesn't matter if the four Conservatives were laundering money through the Russian Mafia the Liberals still suck too badly to lead this Country and the NDP doesn't even measure up to a hand job.

And let's face it. A hand job from Jack Layton is creepy on so many levels.
Sounds like you're enjoying your hand jobs from Harpie.
 

Cliffy

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An NDP (BC provincial) once told me I should vote for them because they were the lesser of two evils. I told him I don't vote for evil in any shape or form. Liberals and Conservatives are evil, one no less than the other except in the minds of Liberals and Conservatives. I would vote for the Bloq if they ran candidates here, because they are honest about what they want and will do. Canada needs to pull its collective heads out of their asses.