Conservative ads attack Bob Rae

JLM

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WHERE did I ever say Layton was a "nice man"???

My view of Jack Layton is that he was a drooling moron with some charm.

I just don't have to SAY it every time I refer to him.

But when we are lining up politicians to be knocked down for their tactics and for their personalities, Layton does NOT get a pass..

To be fair to Layton, I think his main concern was for his fellow man and to try to make the world a better place. Had he lived I'm not sure how well he'd have done given all the financial ramifications to being a leader in politics.
 

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The real reason the CPC is doing this is to make it easier for people to accept the upcoming budget.
 

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Conservative ads target Bob Rae's NDP economic record

Interim Liberal leader Bob Rae's economic record as NDP premier of Ontario in the 1990s comes back to haunt him in a black-and-white television attack ad the Conservative party will air in key markets starting Tuesday.

The ad shows a grinning Rae chuckling under his breath as a narrator recites his record of leaving Ontario with the "highest income taxes in North America ... the biggest deficit Ontario ever had ... most job losses since the Great Depression" and how he "turned Ontario into the welfare capital of Canada."

The ad uses photos of a younger Rae smirking and wearing glasses and ends with him defending his record as premier and the narrator saying: "Bob Rae, if he couldn't run a province why does he think he could run Canada."

A second ad - in colour - that will begin airing at the same time is slicker in production values, fast-paced and highlights Prime Minister Stephen Harper's handling of the economy after the 2008 global meltdown.

It starts with a graphic of markets in freefall while subtitles of "stock market crashes" and "global economic recession" blitz the screen.

It quickly moves through home foreclosure signs to symbols of economic recovery - construction cranes, open for business signs, etc. - as subtitles including "more jobs, steady growth and lower deficit" pop up.

It ends with the slogan: Prime Minister Harper, strong leadership in challenging times.

A Conservative source said Rae is fair game because he has not ruled out running for the leadership of the third-place party.

And the source questions why the Liberals no longer use "interim" on press releases and have begun billboard campaigns in Toronto using Rae as the official face of the party if he doesn't intend to seek the permanent job next spring.

"We welcome Bob Rae's call for a debate on his record and ours," the source said. "So we are launching an advertising campaign highlighting Bob Rae's proven record of failure and contrasting it with the strong economic leadership of the prime minister and our Conservative government."

The Conservatives have a history of negative ad campaigns, including successfully framing former Liberal leaders Michael Ignatieff and Stephane Dion.

Conservative ads target Bob Rae's NDP economic record | Ontario | News | Toronto Sun

Here we go again: nothjing good to say about yourself? No problem: Just tear your opponent down instead.
 

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Here we go again: nothjing good to say about yourself? No problem: Just tear your opponent down instead.

There's plenty of good that the CPC have done for Canada.

Why don't they focus on those things instead of this crap?
 

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If he hired the right spin doctors, then maybe... But, he did a piss poor job as premier, he'll have to answer for that.

Sure he did. The point is though, if the Conservatives are confident in their work, then they would not feel the need to tear him down. From that point of view, considering we already know Rae's record, this tactic actually tells us more about them than about him, that the Conservatives should feel so threatened by him?

There's plenty of good that the CPC have done for Canada.

Why don't they focus on those things instead of this crap?

Exactly. I do agree with many Conservative policies, but it's this sort of thing that leads me to turn away in revulsion.

I'm surprised the CPC are still running with the blatant attack ads after all the criticism they've received. I guess it still works.

Most Canadians are stupid.
 

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From that point of view, considering we already know Rae's record, this tactic actually tells us more about them than about him, that the Conservatives should feel so threatened by him?

I'm calling the budget. Cons want to make it look like all forms of taxation are bad because that's their M.O. and a lot of stupid people buy into it. If they can contrast their deep, unwarranted fiscal conservatism with the extreme opposite case, they'll have bribed the public into buying into their policy once again.

Remember Ford's "respect for taxpayers". Well that's coming back to bite voters in the ass, but he got away with it. I think the CPC will try and do the same by comparing Rae's history with their fiscal policy.
 

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What you guys soooo conveniently forget:

EVERY one of the major parties has been accused of "election misdeeds".

And yet we keep voting for parties instead of decent candidates. If we keep repeating the same mistake and expect a different result, that's our stupidity.
 

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Thank you CPC, for bringing the rest of the House to your level.
Your partisan slip is showing.

You are the master of goal post shifting.
LOL, I see you hypocrisy doesn't stop at the political well.

This is a very attacky thread!
That is what you wanted. Carry on.

This should explain why CPC fan#1 is turning his attention to the NDP.
I don't know who the CPC's one fan is, but all parties share guilt, only partisan hacks can't see that.

 

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And yet we keep voting for parties instead of decent candidates. If we keep repeating the same mistake and expect a different result, that's our stupidity.

Basically, it comes down to people always getting bribed with the low taxes and it never works out.
 

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It's the only gauge we have of the efficiency of Gov't. Anyone can give you anything if they have enough money!

Reasonable taxes, worthwhile services, accountability and transparency.

If we can achieve those, we can have an efficient government that works for the people instead of this American attitude of ridding the government of all responsibility and putting it all onto regular individuals and corporations.

This bull**** idea that we all have complete control over our destinies to achieve some indoctrinated financial dream and if we want help to get even a quarter of the way there, we're pandering to a nanny state.

This **** mentality has gotta stop.
 

JLM

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Reasonable taxes, worthwhile services, accountability and transparency.

If we can achieve those, we can have an efficient government that works for the people instead of this American attitude of ridding the government of all responsibility and putting it all onto regular individuals and corporations.

This bull**** idea that we all have complete control over our destinies to achieve some indoctrinated financial dream and if we want help to get even a quarter of the way there, we're pandering to a nanny state.

This **** mentality has gotta stop.


Government has two main purposes- to enact (and enforce) legislation and to be a watchdog, EVERYTHING ELSE they should keep their beaks out of. :smile:
 

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I understand why the Conservatives would launch attack ads at Rae. Being pre-emptive on such things, helps to divide the Liberals. Supporters of other leadership candidates will be repeating these accusations, when they state that Rae is the wrong man for the job - thus throwing the Liberals into disarray, allowing the Conservatives to govern longer without any real competition.

What I don't understand is why they would pick on the deficits that Rae created. I mean, yes, he created the largest deficits in Ontario history at that time, but the Federal Conservatives have created the largest deficits in Canadian history after seven consecutive Liberal surpluses.

Perhaps if Rae had lowered taxes, increasing the deficit even further, the Conservatives would approve.
 

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I'm calling the budget. Cons want to make it look like all forms of taxation are bad because that's their M.O. and a lot of stupid people buy into it. If they can contrast their deep, unwarranted fiscal conservatism with the extreme opposite case, they'll have bribed the public into buying into their policy once again.

Remember Ford's "respect for taxpayers". Well that's coming back to bite voters in the ass, but he got away with it. I think the CPC will try and do the same by comparing Rae's history with their fiscal policy.

Well that is one take on it.

Reasonable taxes, worthwhile services, accountability and transparency.

If we can achieve those, we can have an efficient government that works for the people instead of this American attitude of ridding the government of all responsibility and putting it all onto regular individuals and corporations.

This bull**** idea that we all have complete control over our destinies to achieve some indoctrinated financial dream and if we want help to get even a quarter of the way there, we're pandering to a nanny state.

This **** mentality has gotta stop.

Reasonable taxes is what we are aiming for. Currently all levels of government take close to 50% of our income. That is not reasonable. We have far too many people with sticky mitts in the cookie jar.
It is this nanny state mentality that has to stop. People have to learn to think and act for themselves again.
 

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It is this nanny state mentality that has to stop. People have to learn to think and act for themselves again.

This is a right-wing line that isn't realistic.

You cannot expect people to self-govern a state. They do not have the resources, skills, nor the time to be both public figures and work in other sectors of industry.

Government has two main purposes- to enact (and enforce) legislation and to be a watchdog, EVERYTHING ELSE they should keep their beaks out of. :smile:

Government should have as much power as needed to help people get what they want (as long as that is something good everyone involved). That requires involvement in many different facets of life.
 

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Reasonable taxes, worthwhile services, accountability and transparency.

If we can achieve those, we can have an efficient government that works for the people instead of this American attitude of ridding the government of all responsibility and putting it all onto regular individuals and corporations.

This bull**** idea that we all have complete control over our destinies to achieve some indoctrinated financial dream and if we want help to get even a quarter of the way there, we're pandering to a nanny state.

This **** mentality has gotta stop.

Government exists to rule you........to perpetuate its own existence, and increase its influence.

"Government, like fire, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." George Washington

Like fire, government spreads rapidly, consuming all in its path..........it must be kept small and watched constantly if it is to safely provide the warmth and security we demand from it.

Love of gov't is a VERY dangerous thing........pyromania, if you will.

I can not understand how any person alive that looks at the history of governance in the world can possible doubt the analogy.......
 

mentalfloss

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Lay off the 1984 Koolaid.

It's 2012 and in the western world, corporations are much less responsible than governments are. That's why progress involves strengthening an accountable government that provides the most benefit for its people.

You would not have received your precious registry scrap if it weren't for an official policy that was based on democratic vote. That is the direction we need to keep going.
 

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I thought Mike Harris, not Boob Rae, was the "real" bad guy.

At least, that's how the story goes, I'm told.

No Bob Rae, no Mike Harris.

Harris did a lot of stuff I disagreed with but he did right the economy and decrease tax load on Ontarionians -- a good chunk of that load added by Mr. Rae.