Hebrew Israelites not Jews. Jews came 300 years before Jesus and Jesus hated the buggers. The first Churches were in Israel not Judea. No relationship at all, another Zionist ruse.
Confused about Christ?
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There was never an Israel nor Israelites except in the one sence I have mentioned earlier. The first churches were Essene and Nazarian both of which were Gnostic , the original kind of Christian. No bodily reserected man for them. Jesus who? Couldn't have been The christ then cuz he was above and beyond petty beastly hate.
There is only One God in the entire universe and there is no other god beside Him: He is the Creator; all others are only mere names which people named, without reality.
The other gods are alleged associates with God Almighty; like Jesus Christ: he is not God, but they claimed him a son of God, and so they associated him with God; and so on: Satan some make him an associate with God. And so on the rest are only claimed associates: the idols are considered associates with God; they are symbols of angels whom some consider as their intercessors or redeemers ..etc.
But God or Allah or Yehweh is the same; these are names of the only One God in the entire universe, with whom there is not other god beside Him.
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That's your opinion. Opinions are fine but that's all they are is opinion. They may or may not have anything to do with fact.
But these are names of multiple gods worshipped by ancient people like the Roman, the Greek and ancient Egyptians; so are such gods still worshipped till now?
Anyhow, who is the chief of these gods? And who is the creator among them?
What do your people call the Creator, and with what name do they name the Creator?
Anyhow, who is the chief of these gods? And who is the creator among them?
What do your people call the Creator, and with what name do they name the Creator?
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Yes, they are still worshiped.
Ra is the boss of Isis. Jupiter is the boss of Minerva. Brighid's father was The Dagda but she doesn't really have a boss. And Ganesh has 3 bosses, Brahma (who is the creator model), Vishnu (the protector model), and Shiva (the destroyer god). All my gods and goddesses are gods of wisdom. Well, except for the ones who look after sex and fun.
My ancestors the Irish ones were created by The Dagda. My native ancestors were created by the gitchimanidoo.
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Some synagogues in Israel started teaching the new doctorin in Nazareth and other cities and towns in the Province of Israel which was a Roman Province with indigenous self Govt while Jesus was still alive so no it wasn't gnostic. They were Israelites who added to Mosaic Law.
Moseslums
The only laws and customs they share is the 10 Commandments and celebrating Passover but even the customs changed as meat was taken away and unleaven bread and wine is the substitution.
The Jews of the time that controlled the Temple and there are the ones who accepted what Jesus said, like the woman from the well in Samaria. What was taught by Peter in Acts:10 was not a repeat of what Moses taught to the 12 Tribes. The 12 Tribes are associated with the bruise to the heel from Ge:3:15, Gentiles being taught are learning about things important to the bruise to the serpents head.
You can have belief that the stories are real, belief in God doesn't come until proof is part of the equation. Saying proof will be shown is not the same as it being shown.
1Co:4:20:
For the kingdom of God is not in word,
but in power.
Heb:10:31:
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
I believe in all gods.
I have been to moose slums. Nice places, actually.
Zeus should be the next one associated with prophecy unfolding according to men's version.
Da:11:2:
And now will I shew thee the truth.
Behold,
there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia;
and the fourth shall be far richer than they all:
and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.
Da:11:2:
And now will I shew thee the truth.
Behold,
there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia;
and the fourth shall be far richer than they all:
and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.
Never heard of a cult called Nazareth Israel however cults came and went like alley cats in them days.
It is in the sense and reference just elucidated that Paul therefore admonishes Titus and Timothy to give no heed to "fables and endless genealogies," and to "shun foolish questionings and genealogies." Of course Paul would warn them away from "genealogies," since it was not likely that one in a thousand of the laity would grasp the impersonal significance of the word, and since Paul knew that the popularization of what would be misconceived as lineal ancestry instead of spiritual descent would certainly lead to the disastrous outcome of the personalizing of the Christos. Paul’s warning was against an aspect of esotericism that he saw clearly enough would act as a trap. He was merely guarding the esoteric purity of the loftier conception, and advising Titus and Timothy to do the same. As Paul was (Bacon and others admitting it) fully steeped in Mystery cultism, he was simply acting as any Mason would do today, cautioning his confreres against using the secret vocabulary indiscreetly. It is notable that genealogies are absent from John, the one Gospel that preached the Christos as the ray of the cosmic Logos, and not the man. This is quite consonant with what would be expected. Presenting Christ as non-human and impersonal, it would omit the externally hazardous
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"genealogies." Marcus the Gnostic eliminated the genealogies from Luke! The Docetae, a sect preaching the purely spiritual Christ, "cut away the genealogies in the Gospel after Matthew." (Epiphanius.) Tatian also struck them out. He had first accepted them, but when he learned better, rejected the gospel of the Christ made flesh. "Barnabas, who denied the human nature of Christ, assures us that it was according to the error of the wicked that Christ was called the Son of David"--in the literal exoteric sense, doubtless. Paul also tells us that no "man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit" (I Cor. 12:3). Marcion does not connect Jesus with Nazareth. Paul’s Christ is nowhere called Jesus of Nazareth, nor is he born at Bethlehem,--the town, but in Bethlehem, the "house of bread," the sign of Pisces, in the astrological symbolism.
There is a ludicrous mixture--as was to be expected and inevitable--of the historical Jesus and the spiritual Christ in the first Epistle of Paul to Timothy, where Jesus Christ is spoken of as he "who, before Pontius Pilate, witnessed the good confession"; and half a dozen lines later, Paul’s Jesus is the "Lord of Lords dwelling in the light unapproachable, whom no man hath seen nor can see." Massey comments that Who is this
Chapter XIII
ROBBING PAUL TO PAY PETER
opposed to a Pauline faction that stood for the esoteric mystical meaning of all Scripture. Massey is speaking of the great gulf that separated these two views and their factional advocates in early Christianity when he makes this drastic declaration:
"The bodies of two million martyrs of free thought, put to death as heretics in Europe alone, and all the blood that has ever been shed in Christian wars, have failed to fill that gulf which waits as ever wide-jawed for its prey."
There is first the matter found in the Clementine Homilies, which is ostensibly inspired by the Petrine faction. The author, assumed to be Clement of Rome, designates Paul as "the Hostile Man." Peter is made to say to Paul, "Thou hast opposed thyself as an Adversary against me, the firm rock, the foundation of the Church." Paul’s conversion by means of abnormal visions is attributed to the false Christ, the Gnostic and Spiritualist Christ opposed to a historic Christ. Peter is hitting obviously at Paul in Homily 17, when he says, "Can anyone be instituted to the office of a teacher through visions?" Paul is treated as the arch-enemy of the Christ crucified--he is declared the very Anti-Christ! He is predicted to be the author of some great heresy expected to break out in the future. Peter is said to have declared that Christ instructed the disciples not to publish the one true and genuine Gospel for the present, because false teachers must arise, who would publicly
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proclaim the false Gospel of the Anti-Christ, that was the Christ of the Gnostics. "As the true Prophet has told us, the false Gospel must come from a certain misleader." The true Gospel was confessedly "held in reserve, to be secretly transmitted for rectification of future heresies." The Petrine party knew well enough what had to come out if Paul’s preaching, proclaimed in his original Epistles, got vent in wide broadcast. Hence those who were the followers of Peter and James anathematized him as the great apostate and rejected his Epistles. Justin Martyr never once mentions this founder of Christianity, never once refers to the writings of Paul. Strangest thing of all is that the Book of Acts, which is mainly the history of Paul, should contain no account of his martyrdom or death at Rome. Paul’s writings seem to have been withheld for a full century after his death.http://pc93.tripod.com/whosking.htm