Confused about Christ?

[petros]

I believe in all gods.

I have been to moose slums. Nice places, actually.

I don't care for swamps. Winter grazing spots are nice and the protection of the woods is just the woods

The only laws and customs they share is the 10 Commandments and celebrating Passover but even the customs changed as meat was taken away and unleaven bread and wine is the substitution.


The Jews of the time that controlled the Temple and there are the ones who accepted what Jesus said, like the woman from the well in Samaria. What was taught by Peter in Acts:10 was not a repeat of what Moses taught to the 12 Tribes. The 12 Tribes are associated with the bruise to the heel from Ge:3:15, Gentiles being taught are learning about things important to the bruise to the serpents head.


You can have belief that the stories are real, belief in God doesn't come until proof is part of the equation. Saying proof will be shown is not the same as it being shown.

1Co:4:20:
For the kingdom of God is not in word,
but in power.

Heb:10:31:
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

The Temple is a Jew thing in Judea. A separate kingdom and religion than that of the Israelite Hebrews.

You born yesterday types are being Jewed out of your Christianity.

 

[AnnaG]

Swamps are cool. They have lots and lots of critters around to watch.

 

[JLM]

Swamps are cool. They have lots and lots of critters around to watch.

Yep, we've come a long way in that regard in 50 years. When I first started work at Highway location, swamps were actually considered a nuisance more than anything, gradually they progressed into being sacred and any swamp that was impacted in any serious way had to be replaced with a man made swamp, as people came to realize removal of swamp was removal of habitat of endangered species.

 

[darkbeaver]

You people are desecrating a religious thread. Shame on you. You should all go to hell. insert smiley

 

[selfsame]

Do you mean a god specifically? Which one?

God the Creator, the Lord of the heavens and the earth, the Creator of everything, Who provides you with the provision, and Who will make you die as did your fathers die before; God the Most Gracious: you do not know Him, but you know Jupiter and Minerva?

 

[AnnaG]

God the Creator, the Lord of the heavens and the earth, the Creator of everything, Who provides you with the provision, and Who will make you die as did your fathers die before; God the Most Gracious: you do not know Him, but you know Jupiter and Minerva?

I told you, I believe in all gods; even your creator.

My husband and I provide our own provisions. I will probably die from old age.

 

[selfsame]

Prophet Joseph son of Jacob explained it:
Joseph was imprisoned, and two prisoner came with him in the prison, and they dreamed and he interpreted for them their dreams, and they asked him: who acquainted you with such interpretation of dreams?

{12: 37-40
37. e Such [knowledge of the interpretation] is some of that my Lord has acquainted me with.
f I have forsaken the religion of a folk [who are associaters: worshipping the idols with God, and ]who believe not in God [alone g] and [moreover] of the Next Life they are deniers. h "

38. "And I have followed the religion of my fathers: Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; we ought not to associate anything with God i; that is [some] of God's bounty to us and to people j, but most of people give no thanks [about God’s bounties to them.]"k
39. "O my two companions in prison, which is better: many differing lords [of stone, silver and copper which neither harm nor profit or is God: the One, the Omnipotent l?"

40. "You worship none, apart from [God], other than mere names which you and your fathers have named, concerning which God has not revealed any authority m.
The decision [about the worship] is up to God [alone] n. He has commanded [in the heavenly books] that you should worship none other than He [alone].
That o is the religion of [Prophet Jacob] the guardian [on his sons and his people], but most of people do not know [the truth.]"}
..........................................................
e Therefore he said to them:
f They said to him: Which of these idols is your Lord; so guide us to him, in order that he may acquaint us about the interpretation of the dream, as has he taught you?
So he said: (I have forsaken the religion of a folk who believe not in God [alone.])
g But they associate with Him.
h i.e. they deny the sending of souls to the Next Life and the Judgment.
i Therefore, we do not worship idols and statues.
j Who devote themselves to God alone.
k So this was his answer to their question: “Who is your Lord?”

Therefore, he said to them: I don’t worship any idol, neither did my fathers worship the idols, but we worship God the Lord of the heavens and the earth. It is He Who taught me about the interpretation of dreams. Then if you want to be like myself, then worship God alone and refrain from worshiping the idols, and He will give you all that you want.
Then he said to them:
l Who revives and kills, and by Whose hand is everything?
m It means: The idols which you worship and to which you give names; such names are devoid of meaning, and are not true; moreover, God did not reveal any commandment in any heavenly book to worship the idols.
n It means: It is not allowed that anybody may worship anyone according to his own desire, but it should only be according to God’s commands in the heavenly books.
o i.e. That which I have explained to you, concerning the worshiping of God alone and forsaking the worship of idols …

 

[AnnaG]

Why should I believe one god exists and another does not? Because someone said so? No. People tend to make mistakes and some simply tell lies. I need something rational to give me reason to believe or disbelieve. Faith is not rational.

 

[selfsame]

Why should I believe one god exists and another does not? Because someone said so? No. People tend to make mistakes and some simply tell lies. I need something rational to give me reason to believe or disbelieve. Faith is not rational.

What is your proof for such gods as Jupiter and Minerva?

 

[AnnaG]

What is your proof for such gods as Jupiter and Minerva?

The same proof as you have of yours. We do have things like wisdom, lightning, art, war, etc.
In order for me to believe in just one god, someone would have to show me definitively that there are no others.

 

[selfsame]

The same proof as you have of yours. We do have things like wisdom, lightning, art, war, etc.
In order for me to believe in just one god, someone would have to show me definitively that there are no others.

This is evasion of the answer, that is to answer by asking another question.
I said: How can you prove that your Jupiter and Menerva are true and existing, not imaginary?
How can you say multiple gods, when the universe acts in one system and the same laws of the universe are applicable everywhere, indicating there is only One God without equal or associate?

Moreover, how do you say that you believe in all gods, when all these gods are false except God the Creator?
And if you believe in God, then how don't you know that God provides for you and for your husband and for all creatures?

In addition how does God agree that other gods may participate with Him in His kingdom and in His creation?
Do you agree that others may participate with you in your house that you own?

 

[darkbeaver]

Some synagogues in Israel started teaching the new doctorin in Nazareth and other cities and towns in the Province of Israel which was a Roman Province with indigenous self Govt while Jesus was still alive so no it wasn't gnostic. They were Israelites who added to Mosaic Law.

Moseslums

No Nazareth exists, none was ever found.

http://pc93.tripod.com/whosking.htmAgain, the child’s being taken to Nazareth was only in order that the sayings might be fulfilled that he should be called a Nazarene. And yet, says Massey, his connection with Nazareth (which, incidentally, has never received any geographical authenticity at any time and perhaps never existed at all) would no more make him a Nazarene than his being born in a stable would make him a horse. Also Jesus came to dwell in Capernaum--"his own city"--on the borders of Zebulon and Naphtali, that a saying of Isaiah might be fulfilled.

 

[AnnaG]

This is evasion of the answer, that is to answer by asking another question.

I posed no question.

I said: How can you prove that your Jupiter and Menerva are true and existing, not imaginary?

We are talking about them. So they must exist.

How can you say multiple gods, when the universe acts in one system and the same laws of the universe are applicable everywhere, indicating there is only One God without equal or associate?

Who says there is only one system? Who says there is only one universe?
But anyways, we have lightning, so we can have a god or several gods that play with lightning. We have heat, so we may have several gods of heat or fire; perhaps one for fire, one for lava, one for radiation, etc.
I have no faith that there are gods. I simply accept that there are and leave it at that. It is either that or disbelieve in ALL of them including yours.

Moreover, how do you say that you believe in all gods, when all these gods are false except God the Creator?

Again, you are treating your opinion as fact. If you say it is fact then you must show me a rationale to believe what you say.

And if you believe in God, then how don't you know that God provides for you and for your husband and for all creatures?

No god goes out and gets my carrots out of my garden. I do that. No god goes out and shoots an elk. My husband or I do that. Where do those creatures come from? Well, the carrots come from seeds and the elk are born.

In addition how does God agree that other gods may participate with Him in His kingdom and in His creation?

Again, you are assuming that your god is an only god.

Do you agree that others may participate with you in your house that you own?

No, but then I am not a god and we have legal ownership.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

But these are names of multiple gods worshipped by ancient people like the Roman, the Greek and ancient Egyptians; so are such gods still worshipped till now?
Anyhow, who is the chief of these gods? And who is the creator among them?
What do your people call the Creator, and with what name do they name the Creator?

Actually, it's the Irish, the Egyptians, the Romans, and the Indians in that order.

She's also pretty fond of Ilumsi Ilefewanu, and when she's in a bad mood, Inanna (watch out when she starts worshipping the Morrigan!).

 

[MHz]

The Temple is a Jew thing in Judea. A separate kingdom and religion than that of the Israelite Hebrews.

You born yesterday types are being Jewed out of your Christianity.

Moses built the first Temple as a tent, you saying Moses was a Jew?
You never born types are having a hard time understanding that the Temple Jews are different than the Messianic Jews (Apostles and Disciples of Christ) Think of it as 'gathered' and 'waiting to be gathered'.

M't:23:23-39:
Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
hypocrites!
for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin,
and have omitted the weightier matters of the law,
judgment, mercy,
and faith:
these ought ye to have done,
and not to leave the other undone.
Ye blind guides,
which strain at a gnat,
and swallow a camel.
Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
hypocrites!
for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter,
but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Thou blind Pharisee,
cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter,
that the outside of them may be clean also.
Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
hypocrites!
for ye are like unto whited sepulchres,
which indeed appear beautiful outward,
but are within full of dead men's bones,
and of all uncleanness.
Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men,
but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
hypocrites!
because ye build the tombs of the prophets,
and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
And say,
If we had been in the days of our fathers,
we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves,
that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
Ye serpents,
ye generation of vipers,
how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Wherefore,
behold,
I send unto you prophets,
and wise men,
and scribes:
and some of them ye shall kill and crucify;
and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues,
and persecute them from city to city:
That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth,
from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias,
whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Verily I say unto you,
All these things shall come upon this generation.
O Jerusalem,
Jerusalem,
thou that killest the prophets,
and stonest them which are sent unto thee,
how often would I have gathered thy children together,
even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Behold,
your house is left unto you desolate.
For I say unto you,
Ye shall not see me henceforth,
till ye shall say,
Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

God the Creator. . . Who will make you die as did your fathers die before

Might wanna leave that outta your brochure. Sounds kinda hostile.

 

[JLM]

I told you, I believe in all gods; even your creator.

My husband and I provide our own provisions. I will probably die from old age.

I hope to die young at an advanced age!

 

[AnnaG]

Erm, who is to say that the universe just is (no sentience involved) and humans simply call it Allah, Jehovah, the gitchimanidoo, Jupiter, etc.?

 

[petros]

Moses built the first Temple as a tent, you saying Moses was a Jew?
You never born types are having a hard time understanding that the Temple Jews are different than the Messianic Jews (Apostles and Disciples of Christ) Think of it as 'gathered' and 'waiting to be gathered'.

M't:23:23-39:
Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
hypocrites!
for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin,
and have omitted the weightier matters of the law,
judgment, mercy,
and faith:
these ought ye to have done,
and not to leave the other undone.
Ye blind guides,
which strain at a gnat,
and swallow a camel.
Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
hypocrites!
for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter,
but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Thou blind Pharisee,
cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter,
that the outside of them may be clean also.
Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
hypocrites!
for ye are like unto whited sepulchres,
which indeed appear beautiful outward,
but are within full of dead men's bones,
and of all uncleanness.
Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men,
but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
hypocrites!
because ye build the tombs of the prophets,
and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
And say,
If we had been in the days of our fathers,
we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves,
that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
Ye serpents,
ye generation of vipers,
how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Wherefore,
behold,
I send unto you prophets,
and wise men,
and scribes:
and some of them ye shall kill and crucify;
and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues,
and persecute them from city to city:
That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth,
from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias,
whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Verily I say unto you,
All these things shall come upon this generation.
O Jerusalem,
Jerusalem,
thou that killest the prophets,
and stonest them which are sent unto thee,
how often would I have gathered thy children together,
even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Behold,
your house is left unto you desolate.
For I say unto you,
Ye shall not see me henceforth,
till ye shall say,
Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Did he build a Jewish Temple?

 

[MHz]

Neb was told by God to destroy the Temple run by Jews, Rome did it to the next time, Christ will destroy the next Temple, the one Satan builds.
Da:11:45:
And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain;
yet he shall come to his end,
and none shall help him.