Conditions for the divorce

[selfsame]

In this thread I intended to explain about the divorce according to the Quran, so that people will discover the wonderful wisdom and statements which God revealed about the husband and wife.

Moreover, it is not for some rancorous people here who have their locked opinion, but for all people in general who may read it.

 

[AnnaG]

In this thread I intended to explain about the divorce according to the Quran, so that people will discover the wonderful wisdom and statements which God revealed about the husband and wife.

Moreover, it is not for some rancorous people here who have their locked opinion, but for all people in general who may read it.

Our "locked opinion"s are based upon fact. Your "locked opinion" is based upon fiction that Mohammed wrote.

 

[Twila]

Our "locked opinion"s are based upon fact. Your "locked opinion" is based upon fiction that Mohammed wrote.

actually selfsame's is based on fear of dying and the need for a father figure who punishes because he/she is unable to be a good person without it.

 

[gerryh]

In this thread I intended to explain about the divorce according to the Quran, so that people will discover the wonderful wisdom and statements which God revealed about the husband and wife.

Moreover, it is not for some rancorous people here who have their locked opinion, but for all people in general who may read it.

God didn't reveal squat to "your" prophets. Islam is a religion of Satan masquerading as God. The Qurans edicts are bullshyte.

 

[Cliffy]

Eat, Drink and remarry.

 

[Serryah]

I don't belong to any cult; I am a Muslim, believing in God alone without associate or equal, and believing in the glorious Quran.



Are people cattle, or like cats: to make sexual act with whosoever and whenever and wherever; I think even animals disdain this.

Religious groups of all kinds, in general, are pretty much cults, IMO. I believe this because as much as every darn one of them says "We know the Truth!", they don't and can't know. If you want to believe in your version of God - and yes, it is a version - that's great. But your belief cannot be forced upon others for doing so makes it more than a cult really. Be free to share your version of God, just don't claim your version is THE version everyone should worship.

According to you, they are. Women - who are people - are treated like cattle, so are children. Your own words state that bloodlines are important, not the love of the woman, the care of the woman. Men can do what they wish, it's up to the woman to guard herself against the weakness of men. Men have no control, it's up to women to have all the control... except they're weak and pretty much worthless unless they breed a bunch of kids.

If you haven't noticed, Muslim men can pretty much do whatever they want and women must pretty much obey the men in their life. So in your religion, they can do whatever wherever and whenever they wish and if a woman says no, she's beaten or worse, can lose her life. And while I'm sure you'll say "that doesn't happen" - Rape. The woman is blamed in every case I've ever heard regardless of circumstances. A man's excuse is ALWAYS believed: she provoked him.

To your religion, women are cattle, they are animals. The men cherish them only so long as they don't fight and they obey their words. If they dare think for themselves, you punish them.

That is being animals. That is not being human.

 

[Machjo]

"Conditions for the divorce to be justified:
1- mutual agreement of both husband and wife.
2- Either the husband or wife commits indecency.
3- the wife is 'Nashiz': i.e. is impolite and does not obey her husband."


I punched her in the face. That made the desire mutual.

2. She uncovered her face... IN PUBLIC! That's what led to the punch. What indecency could possibly exceed that!

3. She refused to cover her face again, whining about the thirty-five degree weather and her sore nose instead. How's that for disobedience!

 

[selfsame]

"Conditions for the divorce to be justified:
1- mutual agreement of both husband and wife.
2- Either the husband or wife commits indecency.
3- the wife is 'Nashiz': i.e. is impolite and does not obey her husband."


I punched her in the face. That made the desire mutual.

2. She uncovered her face... IN PUBLIC! That's what led to the punch. What indecency could possibly exceed that!

3. She refused to cover her face again, whining about the thirty-five degree weather and her sore nose instead. How's that for disobedience!

Of course, it is not like that, Machjo.
A joke: (of course this is not right)
A man gets angry and he said to one of his two wives: You are divorced!
The other wife said to him: Wrong-doer, why have you divorced your wife?
The man said: You also are divorced!
The wife of the neighbor heard that and she said: "Wrong-doer why have you divorced your two wives?
The man said: You also are divorced if your husband confirm it!
The husband the neighbor said: I confirm, I agree! :lol:

Of course this is only a joke, it is not correct and not justified by the Quran and its interpretation.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Good news is that the wives' families will honor kill them, so no alimony!

 

[Motar]

Conditions for the divorce to be justified:
1- mutual agreement of both husband and wife.
2- Either the husband or wife commits indecency.
3- the wife is 'Nashiz': i.e. is impolite and does not obey her husband.

"Some Pharisees came and tested him by asking, 'Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?' 'What did Moses command you?' he replied. They said, 'Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce and send her away.'

'It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law,' Jesus replied. 'But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.' 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. 'So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.'

When they were in the house again, the disciples asked Jesus about this. He answered, 'Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery." (Mark 10:2-12 NIV)

To the hardened Jewish religious leaders, Jesus gives laws, SS. To humble disciples, Jesus gives truth.

Marriage is from God (good). Divorce is spiritual violence (bad). divorce + remarriage = adultery (bad to worse).

 

[Ludlow]

"Some Pharisees came and tested him by asking, 'Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?' 'What did Moses command you?' he replied. They said, 'Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce and send her away.'

'It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law,' Jesus replied. 'But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.' 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. 'So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.'

When they were in the house again, the disciples asked Jesus about this. He answered, 'Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery." (Mark 10:2-12 NIV)

To the hardened Jewish religious leaders, Jesus gives laws, SS. To humble disciples, Jesus gives truth.

Marriage is from God (good). Divorce is spiritual violence (bad). divorce + remarriage = adultery (bad to worse).

yes lot's of hoops to jump through to measure up

 

[Cliffy]

"Some Pharisees came and tested him by asking, 'Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?' 'What did Moses command you?' he replied. They said, 'Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce and send her away.'

'It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law,' Jesus replied. 'But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.' 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. 'So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.'

When they were in the house again, the disciples asked Jesus about this. He answered, 'Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery." (Mark 10:2-12 NIV)

To the hardened Jewish religious leaders, Jesus gives laws, SS. To humble disciples, Jesus gives truth.

Marriage is from God (good). Divorce is spiritual violence (bad). divorce + remarriage = adultery (bad to worse).

So a woman who is being ab used by her husband has to stay and be abused for the rest of her life. That is really stupid.

 

[Motar]

So a woman who is being ab used by her husband has to stay and be abused for the rest of her life.

Where does Jesus make that statement, Cliffy?

 

[Curious Cdn]

So, did they split the house when they kicked you out, Sesame?

 

[AnnaG]

Marriage is from your god? Baloney. What an entirely foolish thing to say. The root of the word marriage comes from the Latin "maritaticum" circa early 11th century. But people were getting hitched long before the Jewish god was born some 5 millennia or so ago.

 

[selfsame]

And if the wife commits adultery, the husband can just kill her.

"Sa'ad is Jealous, and I - said the Prophet - am more jealous than Sa'ad and God is more Jealous than I am."

 

[Ludlow]

"Sa'ad is Jealous, and I - said the Prophet - am more jealous than Sa'ad and God is more Jealous than I am."

You really should take the time to visit a public library in a free country. You need it desperately, Might I suggest a book written by an author from your neck of the woods. " The Prophet" by Khalil Gibran.

 

[AnnaG]

"Sa'ad is Jealous, and I - said the Prophet - am more jealous than Sa'ad and God is more Jealous than I am."

Jealousy is a product of distrust. It's nothing to be proud of.

 

[selfsame]

"Some Pharisees came and tested him by asking, 'Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?' 'What did Moses command you?' he replied. They said, 'Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce and send her away.'

'It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law,' Jesus replied. 'But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.' 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. 'So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.'

When they were in the house again, the disciples asked Jesus about this. He answered, 'Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery." (Mark 10:2-12 NIV)

To the hardened Jewish religious leaders, Jesus gives laws, SS. To humble disciples, Jesus gives truth.

Marriage is from God (good). Divorce is spiritual violence (bad). divorce + remarriage = adultery (bad to worse).

Jesus is truthful; but the narrations and passing of time and other factors made many alterations in the religion of God.
The religion of God was before Moses; Moses was not the first prophet.
But the law was made clear with Moses; God revealed to him the Torah to be a light and guidance to the Children or sons of Israel.
Jesus came and said: he would not change the Law; the Law had been made by God Almighty: the Jews call Him: Yahweh; He is the same Creator and Lord of all nations; although some of them try to mislead themselves and misleads others that Yahweh is not God and not Allah and not Khodah.
Anyhow, God the Creator: He revealed the Law to Moses, and Jesus worked according to the Law of God.
The Quran came to correct the mistakes and the alterations that occurred in the Torah, specially that Torah written by Ezra son of Siraeh: which is the present Torah included also in the Old Testament.
The religion of God is the same: with only some moderations according to the circumstances and according to the time.

So you cannot say there is no divorce. How can that be: when one of the two spouses commits adultery?

But the meaning, that you did not read the first post in this thread: because you don't want to discover the truth about the Quran: i.e. this is very difficult to you: you want to blind yourself.

If man divorces his wife, and another one marries her, the first husband cannot return her to him and cannot marry her once again. This is in the Torah and in the Quran according to the interpreter Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.

The other point which even many Muslims do not know: Neither the husband nor the wife may demand the divorce without a justified cause: either the adultery of one of them, or the wife is disobedient to her husband (she is impolite: goes wherever she wants and does whatever she likes and does not comply with her husband.)

And another reason for the divorce: if there is a mutual agreement of both the husband and wife.

Other than this, the divorce is not allowed.

 

[Ludlow]

Jealousy is a product of distrust. It's nothing to be proud of.

And more than likely a product of self guilt as well.