Common citizenship?

[Machjo]

I thought that was what NAFTA was supposed to do for North and South America, flash your drivers and on your way. Today it is a little more complicated than that to say the least. If anybody could challenge that it would be the natural citizens of both Americas who should be able to travel just that easy. DNA scan is the identifier, can't be faked and the sample can be given by the person by whatever method they are most comfortable with. Just make sure each vehicle has a steel safe that gets a customs sticker at the border and if it is broken before you exit their country you will be going to jail and there is a 5 year waiting time until your 2 hour trial.

I would vote for something like that if the list of what you can and cannot carry in the safe is clear and the same in every location. (save the coco leaves for the mountain passes in Bolivia and not a tea break in some shack in the deep bush. (okay maybe both would be alright) That is the next point, would a common classification bring more freedoms to all citizens or would some lose what are freedoms right now? That would make a huge impact on how I would vote on such a change.

The guy with an Igloo and the guy with a grassy roof both have the right to read the same discussions real time and the devices are there, they just need to be classified as necessities rather than toys of the elite.

Well, since here we're not talking about a common nation, government and laws, but just a common citizenship, it would mean local and national laws apply, just as a Canadian in Ontario abides by Ontario law and a Quebecer by Quebec law. The plus though is that anyone can choose to reside where he wants to reside, and benefit from the full rights of citizenship in that location. However, the applicable local and national laws of where he resides would still apply.

 

[MHz]

Generally speaking, the poor will move to where social programmes are the best, which is usually the wealthier country. Since they'd be citizens, we could not refuse them service. This would help to spread the burden more evenly.

I have an idea, why not make them the new buffalo herd, TPTB can plant food and that will attract them from the north and in the summer they can go and forage in the unfrozen north during the summer. Might as well install a few baracades that will filter out the weak and such at the same time.

There were quotos on immigration during WWII, that means a lot of people needing sanctuary were turned away. The part about finding shelter in the wealthy countries is a sham and it always has been. The ones enticed to move there have a lot of money to begin with, they are 'professionals' and the lower class are limited to how many servants the 'professional' need so they don't have to actually but ijn any effort for their own survival. The poor are put on a boat, sailed over the horizon and emptied into the ocean.

Well, since here we're not talking about a common nation, government and laws, but just a common citizenship, it would mean local and national laws apply, just as a Canadian in Ontario abides by Ontario law and a Quebecer by Quebec law. The plus though is that anyone can choose to reside where he wants to reside, and benefit from the full rights of citizenship in that location. However, the applicable local and national laws of where he resides would still apply.

To a limit, if the speed limit in Chili is 140kph then they cannot drive that speed in Sask where combines occasionally break out of the fields. How many Canadians go overseas because they avoid the morality laws that Canada has, since that practice has been eradicated (by the host country rather than by Canada) then I assume that would not be revived in a 'common citizenship' change.

 

[darkbeaver]

This would be a common citizenship, not multiple citizenships.

In principle, you are correct that it might help them hide their cash. However, nothing would be stopping governments to work together to block these loopholes. Add to that that common citizenship would also mean a common citizen database for passports, which could actually be helpful in tracking tax evasion.



Generally speaking, the poor will move to where social programmes are the best, which is usually the wealthier country. Since they'd be citizens, we could not refuse them service. This would help to spread the burden more evenly.

Why not just come out and call it a "new order" of "one world government" and never mind the befuddling flash of common citizenship in uncommon nations. A common all knowing database is the wet dream of would be world dominionists. Certainly it would be very helpful in the final solution of wealth distribution. The thought would be forever banished from the common slaves consideration.

 

[Machjo]

Why not just come out and call it a "new order" of "one world government" and never mind the befuddling flash of common citizenship in uncommon nations. A common all knowing database is the wet dream of would be world dominionists. Certainly it would be very helpful in the final solution of wealth distribution. The thought would be forever banished from the common slaves consideration.

I guess this is what you want:

Stand up, all victims of oppression
For the tyrants fear your might
Don't cling so hard to your possessions
For you have nothing, if you have no rights
Let racist ignorance be ended
For respect makes the empires fall
Freedom is merely privilege extended
Unless enjoyed by one and all

Chorus:
So come brothers and sisters
For the struggle carries on
The Internationale
Unites the world in song
So comrades come rally
For this is the time and place
The international ideal
Unites the human race

Let no one build walls to divide us
Walls of hatred nor walls of stone
Come greet the dawn and stand beside us
We'll live together or we'll die alone
In our world poisoned by exploitation
Those who have taken, now they must give
And end the vanity of nations
We've but one Earth on which to live

And so begins the final drama
In the streets and in the fields
We stand unbowed before their armour
We defy their guns and shields
When we fight, provoked by their aggression
Let us be inspired by like and love
For though they offer us concessions
Change will not come from above

http://wikilivres.ca/wiki/The_Internationale_(Bragg)

 

[MHz]

I'm pretty sure 'common' was put in there to let us know we are the ones under Law and not the ones writing Law.

 

[Machjo]

I'm pretty sure 'common' was put in there to let us know we are the ones under Law and not the ones writing Law.

Is that not normally the case in any civilized society? We have a social structure.

 

[BaalsTears]

Can Canada defend its far north in the coming stampede for Arctic resources?

 

[B00Mer]

YES to Canada and Turks and Caicos

Possibly we can now join Turks and Caicos to Canada? No more Bloc majority in Quebec. Harper who has said, 2006: "Do the Québécois form a nation within Canada? The answer is yes. Do the Québécois form an independent nation? The answer is no and the answer will always be no." [Being afraid to open the constitution has been a big part of why Canada has not been able to join on Turks and Caicos.]

 

[Machjo]

Can Canada defend its far north in the coming stampede for Arctic resources?

How does that relate to common citizenship? If Canada is a sovereign country, it would still be free to have its own military. All this would mean is that those with a common citizenship would be free to move here should they wish to do so.

YES to Canada and Turks and Caicos

Possibly we can now join Turks and Caicos to Canada? No more Bloc majority in Quebec. Harper who has said, 2006: "Do the Québécois form a nation within Canada? The answer is yes. Do the Québécois form an independent nation? The answer is no and the answer will always be no." [Being afraid to open the constitution has been a big part of why Canada has not been able to join on Turks and Caicos.]

And we'd probably have to improve our constitution before Turks and Caicos would join us. Obviously they'll take our constitution into account when making their decision, and honestly, I'm not sure I'd want to join Canada if I were Turks and Caicos. Just sharing a common citizenship and passport could be palatable though since then the Canadian Constitution would apply only to those residing in Canada, simply allowing Canadians and citizens of Turks and Caicos to live, work, and vote freely in their country of residence.

 

[BaalsTears]

How does that relate to common citizenship? If Canada is a sovereign country, it would still be free to have its own military. All this would mean is that those with a common citizenship would be free to move here should they wish to do so...

Common citizenship with another country would be helpful to Canada. Canada is a huge country with a tiny population that lacks the reach to defend its far north.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Generally speaking, the poor will move to where social programmes are the best, which is usually the wealthier country. Since they'd be citizens, we could not refuse them service. This would help to spread the burden more evenly.

Please remove your head from the glue-bag. We are burdened enough as it is. There would be a mass exodus of people to Canada from whatever 3rd world nation you want to make this deal with. You think it's a good idea to import people to place a heavier burden on our overtaxed social programs and healthcare system etc? Just how do you plan to pay for all the extra welfare bums?

 

[taxslave]

This would be a common citizenship, not multiple citizenships.

In principle, you are correct that it might help them hide their cash. However, nothing would be stopping governments to work together to block these loopholes. Add to that that common citizenship would also mean a common citizen database for passports, which could actually be helpful in tracking tax evasion.



Generally speaking, the poor will move to where social programmes are the best, which is usually the wealthier country. Since they'd be citizens, we could not refuse them service. This would help to spread the burden more evenly.

Just what we need. more freeloaders sucking up government money.

 

[Nuggler]

Oh, there'll be pie in the sky
Pie in the sky
There'll be pie in the sky
Pie in the sky when you die
Praise God.

:roll:

 

[JLM]

Wold you support a common citizenship and passport between Canada and another nation, even if it is without becoming a common nation?

I'd need more details!

Just what we need. more freeloaders sucking up government money.

We'd have to draw up an iron clad contract that in exchange for them being able to live in this mecca, they'd have to do jobs that our citizens aren't too eager to do and the pay would be at our pleasure! -

Common citizenship with another country would be helpful to Canada. Canada is a huge country with a tiny population that lacks the reach to defend its far north.

You might be on to something there. They spend the first 10 years on Ellesmere Island with a pair of hefty binoculars before being allowed to move down to "Utopia".

 

[BaalsTears]

I'd need more details!



We'd have to draw up an iron clad contract that in exchange for them being able to live in this mecca, they'd have to do jobs that our citizens aren't too eager to do and the pay would be at our pleasure! -




You might be on to something there. They spend the first 10 years on Ellesmere Island with a pair of hefty binoculars before being allowed to move down to "Utopia".

Dystopia.

 

[Blackleaf]

In the unlikely event of Scotland seceding from the UK in 2016, I would be able to hold both UK and Scottish citizenship.

 

[darkbeaver]

I guess this is what you want:

Stand up, all victims of oppression
For the tyrants fear your might
Don't cling so hard to your possessions
For you have nothing, if you have no rights
Let racist ignorance be ended
For respect makes the empires fall
Freedom is merely privilege extended
Unless enjoyed by one and all

Chorus:
So come brothers and sisters
For the struggle carries on
The Internationale
Unites the world in song
So comrades come rally
For this is the time and place
The international ideal
Unites the human race

Let no one build walls to divide us
Walls of hatred nor walls of stone
Come greet the dawn and stand beside us
We'll live together or we'll die alone
In our world poisoned by exploitation
Those who have taken, now they must give
And end the vanity of nations
We've but one Earth on which to live

And so begins the final drama
In the streets and in the fields
We stand unbowed before their armour
We defy their guns and shields
When we fight, provoked by their aggression
Let us be inspired by like and love
For though they offer us concessions
Change will not come from above

The bankers sell that Machjo, they sell it for the people like you who want social and cultural homogenization and they have dreamt and lived the gestational period for a very long time and reveled in the unknowable human misery which is the cost of such a monstrosity. Maybe you believe in the end of struggle, maybe you believe in universal respect and love for every human maybe you believe in nirvana maybe what you believe realized would be the end of mankind. Suppose the earth was a happy healthy global village. How long do you think it would take us to forget what it cost to get there? Why are you convinced that this golden age has not happened a thousand times already? Nothing lasts forever, nothing stops, the struggle for life is life. It's a fine thing to work toward unity, just pray you don't get there because after that assent the law demands decent. That is the law of the wheel. You seem to relish rebellion against the almighty wheel, begone heretic.

 

[Machjo]

In the unlikely event of Scotland seceding from the UK in 2016, I would be able to hold both UK and Scottish citizenship.

Would newborns also do so?

If not, it would probably be a good idea to negotiate that with a separate Scotland. If you keep a common citizenship, then at least while the government administration would be affected, the people would not be so negatively affected.

Just what we need. more freeloaders sucking up government money.

Would this not make the people less supportive of government handouts?

 

[coldstream]

I'm for rescinding the current provisions we have for DUAL citizenship.. with ALL countries and especially with the USA.

I'm sick of citizens of convenience who have no loyalty to the country, provide nothing to it.. but expect to be bailed out of foreign crises.. or come back to access its health care.. or pension system. Often they elude completely Canadian taxes on their world income.

New Canadians should be required to take an oath of complete allegiance to Canada, and RENOUNCE all other nationalities (with confirmations, and penalties of forfieture of citizenship and its privileges for failure to do so) including that of origins. And accept Canadian citizenship without divided loyalties.

 

[PoliticalNick]

I'm for rescinding the current provisions we have for DUAL citizenship.. with ALL countries and especially with the USA.

I'm sick of citizens of convenience who have no loyalty to the country, provide nothing to it.. but expect to be bailed out of foreign crises.. or come back to access its health care.. or pension system. Often they elude completely Canadian taxes on their world income.

New Canadians should be required to take an oath of complete allegiance to Canada, and RENOUNCE all other nationalities (with confirmations, and penalties of forfieture of citizenship and its privileges) including that of origins. And accept Canadian citizenship without divided loyalties.

While I understand where you're coming from I am British citizen by birth and you can't take that away nor should you. I have been here for almost 40 years paying taxes and living as a canadian.