Climate scientists struggle to explain warming slowdown

[darkbeaver]

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Tehre's the bit about matter not storing energy again. So my question to you then is: When our half of the planet is facing away from teh Sun, why is the temperature not the same as the surrounding space (about 3 deg above absolute zero)?

It's still in the suns electric field.

 

[taxslave]

Well people can believe what tehy want to believe. Even scientists have their articles of faith, whether or not they admit it. The entire edifice of logic is a castle built in thin air. Thermo is tough. I have several post-graduate courses in thermodynamics and it gets to be pretty mind-bending stuff. Especially the Second Law (also, incidentally, the name of the latest Muse album--very good). It's very easy to get it all mixed up.

Which is all fine. I only get irritated when people start to refer to scientists as liars, mostly because I'm a scientist and don't consider myself a liar.

In the scientific world, you are frankly better off taking a run at gravity or relativity than the Laws of Thermodynamics.

Depends on who is paying the scientist and what their personal agenda is. Few scientists can truly call themselves unbiased.

 

[Cliffy]

Depends on who is paying the scientist and what their personal agenda is. Few scientists can truly call themselves unbiased.

They are just human and humans are biased. Both deniers and proponents are biased. It is nearly impossible to ascertain why each has a bias but it seems to me that many deniers on here are invested in and profiting from continuing to pollute.

I think the issue of CO2 causal effects on climate change is a smoke screen to cover up the real problems facing the Earth: poisoning water, air and land with chemical cocktails of industrial waste, pharmaceutical corporation using humans as Guinna pigs in their "medical" experiments, Fracking dismantling the Earth's mantle, massive extinctions of thousands of species due to human activity, Ocean acidification causing the oceans to become a hostile environment for those species living there, dwindling food diversity as Monsanto and their ilk get a strangle hold on our food supply with GMOs. etc., etc, etc. Global warming or climate change is only one aspect of a growing global crisis facing all life on this planet. The debate on this issue is a diversion the sheeple have been herded into to cover up the real issues.

 

[petros]

Few scientists can truly call themselves unbiased.

Few of anybody.

Kevin Trenberth wrote in that notorious 2009 Climategate
email to Michael Mann:

The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment
and it is a travesty that we can't. ​

WTF eh?
​

 

[Zipperfish]

Depends on who is paying the scientist and what their personal agenda is. Few scientists can truly call themselves unbiased.

Nobody can call themselves unbiased. We're al prisoners of our biases. We all have personal agendas. Scientists are the same as anyone else. Which means, when it comes to climate change, everyone has their own agendas, and everyone is getting paid by someone and so it's all pretty much a zero-sum game.

 

[Cliffy]

Nobody can call themselves unbiased. We're al prisoners of our biases. We all have personal agendas. Scientists are the same as anyone else. Which means, when it comes to climate change, everyone has their own agendas, and everyone is getting paid by someone and so it's all pretty much a zero-sum game.

Until the crap hits the fan. Then there will a lot of people eating crow.

 

[Walter]

Until the crap hits the fan. Then there will a lot of people eating crow.

The crap was the email leak. AGW proponents have been eating crow ever since.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Nobody can call themselves unbiased. We're al prisoners of our biases. We all have personal agendas. Scientists are the same as anyone else. Which means, when it comes to climate change, everyone has their own agendas, and everyone is getting paid by someone and so it's all pretty much a zero-sum game.

Scientists, on the other hand, are trained to avoid their biases as much as possible.

But only someone sitting at the tippy-top of a pyramid of wealth, freedom, and prosperity could grouse about how it's all a zero-sum game.

 

[taxslave]

Until the crap hits the fan. Then there will a lot of people eating crow.

Or not as the case may be. While I think they are largely full of $hit about man causing climate change at least they are making people aware that we cannot continue to treat the earth as a garbage dump.

 

[EagleSmack]

Or not as the case may be. While I think they are largely full of $hit about man causing climate change at least they are making people aware that we cannot continue to treat the earth as a garbage dump.

I would not give the Global Warming crowd credit for making us aware that the earth is not a dumping ground. That movement came around even before scientist were warning about the coming Ice Age.

I had an Ecology lunch box in the 70's. (Only because the GI Joe lunch box I REALLY wanted didn't have a thermos.)

 

[petros]

Scientists, on the other hand, are trained to avoid their biases as much as possible.

But only someone sitting at the tippy-top of a pyramid of wealth, freedom, and prosperity could grouse about how it's all a zero-sum game.

Trained? What is the name of the class? Unbiased 110?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Trained? What is the name of the class? Unbiased 110?

It's a fundamental concept taught throughout science education.

 

[petros]

I would not give the Global Warming crowd credit for making us aware that the earth is not a dumping ground. That movement came around even before scientist were warning about the coming Ice Age.

I had an Ecology lunch box in the 70's. (Only because the GI Joe lunch box I REALLY wanted didn't have a thermos.)

I had the GI Joe set, lost the Thermos, dad gave me his Thermos. One of the plaid ones. I still have it. It's cooler than the GI Joe one.

It's a fundamental concept taught throughout science education.

No it's not.

 

[EagleSmack]

On other news... cold temperatures continue to grip New England. A chilly 41 degrees F.... 5 Celsius

 

[petros]

I wish. It's -6C and we still have 2.5ft of snow.

My lawn needed mowing 2 weeks ago but the snow is in the way.

 

[EagleSmack]

I had the GI Joe set, lost the Thermos, dad gave me his Thermos. One of the plaid ones. I still have it. It's cooler than the GI Joe one.
.

Oh so lucky you were! The had the GI Joe one but the thermos was missing. Of all the lunch boxes available that was the one missing a thermos.




This was the other one I wanted... upper left



And my FINAL lunch box...

 

[petros]

Rat patrol was cool. There is a Pac Man out in the garage that I'm not sure where it came from.


If It fill my thermos 3/4 with coffee and 1/4 CO2 will it stay hotter longer?

 

[EagleSmack]

Rat patrol was cool. There is a Pac Man out in the garage that I'm not sure where it came from.

Ahhh... I was buying hot lunches by the time Pac-Man came out.

If It fill my thermos 3/4 with coffee and 1/4 CO2 will it stay hotter longer?

Yes it will!

 

[petros]

Ahhh... I was buying hot lunches by the time Pac-Man came out.
Yes it will!

Me too. Fries and gravy w/ coffee for a buck in high school days. It why I can't figure where the hell a pac man lunch box came from. I built the garage 4 years ago so it's not old sh*t stuffed in a box in the rafters.

Sweet, so, now how do I carbonate my coffee?

 

[EagleSmack]

You could probably get a couple loonies for that Pac-Man box depending on condition.