Climate Change - Coal the bad guy -Not oil or conventional gas.

Goober

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Guess how many coal plants come on line in China every week.

Now if they can design top notch scrubbers that remove the GG and the assorted toxins and pollution associated with coal, then the world has another huge energy resource.

Seems the Oil Sands and conventional oil get a resounding pass.

Now I am sure you could hear a pin drop in many Eco Groups as they read the complete report.

Climate Change: Coal, Not Oilsands The Real Bad Guy Says Study

Coal the true climate change bad guy, analysis shows - The Globe and Mail

One of the world’s top climate scientists has calculated that emissions from Alberta’s oil sands are unlikely to make a big difference to global warming and that the real threat to the planet comes from burning coal.

“I was surprised by the results of our analysis,” said Andrew Weaver, a University of Victoria climate modeller, who has been a lead author on two reports from the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. “I thought it was larger than it was.”

In a commentary published Sunday in the prestigious journal Nature, Weaver and colleague Neil Stewart analyze how burning all global stocks of coal, oil and natural gas would affect temperatures. Their analysis breaks out unconventional gas, such as undersea methane hydrates and shale gas produced by fracking, as well as unconventional oil sources including the oil sands.

They found that if all the hydrocarbons in the oil sands were mined and consumed, the carbon dioxide released would raise global temperatures by about .36 degrees C. That’s about half the total amount of warming over the last century.

When only commercially viable oil sands deposits are considered, the temperature increase is only .03 degrees C.

In contrast, the paper concludes that burning all the globe’s vast coal deposits would create a 15-degree increase in temperature. Burning all the abundant natural gas would warm the planet by more than three degrees.

Governments around the world have agreed to try to keep warming to two degrees.

“The conventional and unconventional oil is not the problem with global warming,” Dr. Weaver said. “The problem is coal and unconventional natural gas.”
 

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And there are a number of questions on this project????????????? Cost - area has to be stable, and from what I understand it (GG's) are also used in older oil fields. Not sure about NG fields though.

Now China put 2 coal plants a week on line - They reached that goal about 1 or 2 years ago. And it will only increase.

US also has a number of coal plants and if i recal they are expanding them. Not sure though.

Now shale gas is being shown to be a culprit from what I gathered - It was not mentioned specifically and the Journal has not place the report on line as of yet.
 

taxslave

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Coal can be made to burn at least as clean as natural gas. I doubt that China has the political motivation to make it happen.
 

Ron in Regina

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Coal can be made to burn at least as clean as natural gas. I doubt that China has the political motivation to make it happen.


Yeah, but.....there's a billion plus bodies over there, and only 34 million-ish here
in Canada, so by population they're heros & we're zeros when, for some reason,
the pollution totals are factored/divided by the population totals.
 

SLM

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Yeah, but.....there's a billion plus bodies over there, and only 34 million-ish here
in Canada, so by population they're heros & we're zeros when, for some reason,
the pollution totals are factored/divided by the population totals.

Well if there are a billion plus of them they should be able to huddle together for warmth then and not burn the coal at all.:)
 

relic

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They need all that power,to run the factorys that "the west"has sent over to take advantage of the cheap labour,as long as big business is making/saving money who cares about a bit of harmless polution.Is it even called polution any more?
 

taxslave

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Yeah, but.....there's a billion plus bodies over there, and only 34 million-ish here
in Canada, so by population they're heros & we're zeros when, for some reason,
the pollution totals are factored/divided by the population totals.

Lies. Dam Lies. Statistics.

Are those plants not as expensive as NG?

What do they do with the GG?

Don't know. The article I was reading got way to technical. That was a few years ago when Quinsam Coal wanted to put in a coal fired plant near Campbell River. For every job creation project on the coast there is a line up of protesters that don't need jobs spreading BS.
 

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Are those plants not as expensive as NG?

The cost is not the big factor here, it has more to do with access to the resource.

In the long run, coal is more expensive to deal with as you have to move the resource to the plant. A gas pipeline is more cost effective than rail transfer of the coal.

What do they do with the GG?


They release it with a stern warning not to warm the enviro or else they'll be hell to pay.
 

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Since AGW has been proven to be a collosal fraud.. we don't have anything to worry about from carbon emissions from China or Alberta.
 

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I like the idea that they do this totally on their own, without any public or regulatory pressure. It's quite amazing that the oil companies magically decided to start treating waste, just as a weird idea for no reason.
 

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The cost is not the big factor here, it has more to do with access to the resource.

In the long run, coal is more expensive to deal with as you have to move the resource to the plant. A gas pipeline is more cost effective than rail transfer of the coal.




They release it with a stern warning not to warm the enviro or else they'll be hell to pay.

Well a stern warning does work for Canadians. Thanks for a good belly laugh
 

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Now China put 2 coal plants a week on line - They reached that goal about 1 or 2 years ago. And it will only increase.

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China has been given a developing nations status so they can bring on line as many as they want... and the west should pay for them through carbon credits.
 

EagleSmack

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The need to pay them for the developing nation stuff only exists if you buy into that bilge in the first place. Fortunately, your gvt doesn't buy that malarkey

And it looks like Canada came around the last Global Warmi..... errrr... Climate Change Summit. It looks like your govt. is buying into this scam quite as much as before.
 

captain morgan

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And it looks like Canada came around the last Global Warmi..... errrr... Climate Change Summit. It looks like your govt. is buying into this scam quite as much as before.


Thankfully, but as you've no doubt seen from the usual suspects, there is a push by this small demographic to impose their narrow views onto the rest of society.
 

taxslave

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The cost is not the big factor here, it has more to do with access to the resource.

In the long run, coal is more expensive to deal with as you have to move the resource to the plant. A gas pipeline is more cost effective than rail transfer of the coal.




They release it with a stern warning not to warm the enviro or else they'll be hell to pay.

Quinsam Coal,s plan was to build the plant beside the mine. Also they are only a few Ks off the island grid. This makes more sense than hauling the coal. I saw a picture of one in the US that is right outside the mine gates too, just can't remember where. Seems like a good idea for places like Sparwood and Tumbler Ridge.