Cindy Sheehan QUITS

May 28, 2007
3,866
67
48
Honour our Fallen
Its not any worse than under Saddam, in many ways its alot better.

The problem is its still bad, and now the US has to deal with it.

It was well known among Iraqis that saddam's main power source was the sanctions imposed on Iraq. He controlled the flow of food on the ground, hence everyone towed the line or starved.
If the sanctions were lifted the natural course of events would have followed ,Iraq would have killed him off or disposed of him in some way.
Now this is not my opinion but this guy from Iraq I met who pleaded this case at the united nations long before the new invasion.

He states, and he speaks for many of his countrymen, that this was the wests plan all along to keep him in power for the inevitable.

Also this same guy said he was kept in power to show Kuwait that he was still there and could invade again if it wasn't for the large usa army stationed there.Eventually all the Kuwait oil contracts became the property of the usa instead of Europe's.Erope did not station any large like the usa did......

On the same note ...i hear that caminco mining is up to it's eyeballs in lawsuits in the congo for like supplying weapons to rebels....not unlike the whole blood diamond movie .....they have been found to have supplied arms to rebels....it was a few people from congo that told me and for the life of me i can't find any info on it...so i dunno if it's true or a lie
 

Unforgiven

Force majeure
May 28, 2007
6,770
137
63
Yeah when did the Democrats promise to end the war? I don't remember that ever being said.
 

EagleSmack

Hall of Fame Member
Feb 16, 2005
44,168
96
48
USA
The Democrats pulled on the heart strings of people who are vehemently opposed to the war. Why did Cindy Sheehan come out and say

"Now we will make sure that the people we helped into office make good on their promises and end the war."

Many of them promised to end the war so you obviously did not follow the 2006 Campaign close enough. Congress can end the war by withholding funding. The can also use the War Powers Act to challenge the President. They can end it but the do not have the political will. Their plush new offices and everything else that goes with it are much more important than promises and saving additional lives.

You are most likely right. If they end the funding the war will have to end and the GOP will blame them. But so what? Isn't that what they got elected for? Why should they worry what the GOP says about them if they keep their promise to the people that elected them? Now they know collectively that the Dems do not have the political will so they are trying to get the Executive Office to do the dirty work for them.
 

EagleSmack

Hall of Fame Member
Feb 16, 2005
44,168
96
48
USA
Democrats break their promise to voters to end Iraq war
By Askia Muhammad
White House Correspondent
Updated Apr 17, 2007, 04:12 pm


WASHINGTON (FinalCall.com) - In Washington politics, things are not always what they appear to be. The current debate over continued funding of the war in Iraq is an example.

The conventional wisdom insists that the debate over ending the war is all about the looming veto showdown between President George W. Bush and Congress over continued funding for the $2 billion-per-week Iraq war and whether or not funds, which must be approved by Congress, should include mandates for any withdrawal of U.S. forces.
On the one hand, the Bush administration wants no conditions on the massive amounts of money it says it needs as it escalates the bloody war now in its fifth year, and that strings attached by the Democratic-led legislature are reckless, dangerous, and undermine his commanders and their troops who are “in harm’s way.”
Democrats, on the other hand, argue that their tactic of providing full funding for “Bush’s war,” while setting non-binding timetables for troop withdrawals is the best way to force a change in the war policy.
But that’s just part of the story.
A growing number of war opponents complain that Democrats, who now control both the House of Representatives and the Senate, have gone back on their promise to voters last year to end the war outright.
The comments of a member of Code Pink, who identified herself only as “Liz from Arizona,” are typical. “I want to say that I’m very disappointed. We voted for a mandate of peace, and peace platform candidates on Nov. 7, which changed Congress. And we are expecting Congress to do their jobs, and support our troops. Bring them home out of this illegal, failed, endless occupation,” she told The Final Call after a protest at a banquet for Congressional radio and television correspondents held Mar. 28.
“We’re tired of it. Our families are tired. We want our families united. We want to move on. We want our moral standing in the world back,” she continued.
“Liz” is not alone.
“In the labor movement, we love what they’re [Code Pink] doing, and when they come to Ohio, we’re going to turn that state ‘blue,’” a sheet-metal worker who identified himself only as “Ted” told The Final Call.
The next day, the Senate voted its version of a $122 billion off-budget, emergency supplemental appropriation, which included a troop pullout timetable. But that was not before dozens of protestors set up a mock grave site in the Hart Senate Office Building, with pictures of U.S. troops and Iraqi civilians “killed in this illegal and immoral war,” organizer Kevin Zeese, a member of Peace Action from Montgomery County, Maryland told The Final Call Mar. 29 just after the Senate vote.
“The point of the demonstration was to say to the Democratic Party that they were not elected and put into majority power status to extend the war, they were put in there to end the war,” said Mr. Zeese. “This current bill they’re so proud of passing today, and claim is a change in course with its deadlines or goals, extends the war for another year, and even after their deadline, there are such gigantic loopholes that any commander-in-chief could keep as many troops as he or she wanted to, after that goal or deadline is passed.
“I really think that what we’re seeing in Washington, D.C. around this war, is political game-playing. The Democrats, I think, are trying to position themselves for 2008. They don’t want to have the responsibility for this war, so they’re trying to put something in this bill that sounds a little different, unless you look at the details.”
The “details” of the Democratic position, mean more of the same, critics insist. For example: The Senate bill sets non-binding target dates for the withdrawal of “combat troops.” They make up about half of the 150,000 troops now in Iraq, and those numbers will “surge” to 170,000 by summer. Half of that number will still keep more than 80,000 U.S. military personnel there, “that’s a gigantic force,” said Mr. Zeese.
“But even beyond that, combat troops are allowed to stay, to: Fight terrorists; to secure the borders; to train Iraqis. Those are such gigantic loopholes,” he said. “We’re right now doing all those things with 150,000 troops, and we’re not doing it very effectively.
“We’re in fact losing this war with 150,000 troops. So, I could see a commander-in-chief saying, ‘I need more troops,’ and under the language of the Senate bill, and the language of the House bill, that would be permitted because they would be fighting terrorists, fighting al Qaeda.”
“Our Congress people are just out of touch,” said “Liz.” “I can’t even meet with them and talk to them, reasonably. I have to come to D.C. and find them in the street and walk with them, and try to converse, and try to touch some humanity in their spirit.”
But Democrats–even the Congressional Black Caucus–defend a number of initiatives that were tacked on to the war supplemental appropriation.
Some of those add-ons which were added to attract the votes of liberal Democrats, especially CBC members, include: $4.3 billion for Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) disaster recovery grants; $1.3 billion for levee protection in New Orleans; $30 million for K-12 education recruitment assistance; $30 million for higher education assistance; community disaster loan forgiveness; $25 million for Small Business Administration (SBA) disaster loans; $80 million for U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) tenant-based rental assistance; $400 million for low income home energy assistance; $3.7 billion in agricultural assistance; and $40 million in foreign aid security assistance for Liberia.
In all, 35 of the CBC’s 40 eligible House members endorsed the add-ons, despite the fact that almost all of those who endorsed the appropriation had earlier signed on as members of the “Out of Iraq Caucus.”
In the end, only eight members of the 70-member Out of Iraq Caucus voted against the money, which opponents insist guarantees that the war will continue until at least 2008. Those members were: Reps. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.), chair of the Caucus; Barbara Lee (D-Calif.), John Lewis (D-Ga.), Diane Watson (D-Calif.), presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio), Mike Michaud (D-Minn.), Mike McNulty (D-N.Y.), and Lynn Woolsey (D-Calif.).
In addition, war opponents complain that more than 225 U.S. forces have been killed in Iraq since the Democrats have come to power on Capitol Hill. “We are here to express our outrage at a Democrat-crafted spending bill that would continue the Iraq war into August 2008, and leave thousands, potentially tens of thousands of troops on the ground in that country, even after that date,” Deborah Abramsky, a leader of Neighbors United for Justice and Peace from nearby Mt. Rainier, Md. said in a letter hand-delivered to Congressional offices.
“The majority of U.S. voters want the troops to come home now,” the letter continues. “The Democrats were given a mandate to end the war when they gained a majority in the House and Senate in the last election. None of the Democratic leadership’s plans take into account the urgency of that mandate. It is hypocrisy that in this supplemental the Democrats will be paying for the escalation that they voted against last month.”
“The peace movement that has been working so hard to end the war is sickened by this supplemental,” said Ellen Barfield, a veteran and member of the Baltimore Pledge of Resistance and Veterans for Peace, in a statement.
“The American people gave Congress a mandate to get us out of Iraq, not to give suggestions to President Bush in the hopes he may finally listen,” said Tina Richards, the mother of Marine Cpl. Cloy Richards, who faces his third deployment in the war zone.
There are other loopholes in both the House and Senate versions of the funding bill. Critics complain that more than 100,000 Pentagon and State Department-paid “mercenaries,” or contract personnel, who are now in Iraq, will not be affected by the emergency legislation.
“It’s certainly not an end to the war when you allow to keep combat troops there to fight terrorists, train Iraqis and secure the borders, and then also keep tens of thousands of non-combat troops there to support those troops. It’s certainly not going to be an end to the war,” said Mr. Zeese. “And further, the failure to deal with the use of military force against Iran, makes it more likely that this bill will expand the war, rather than bring the troops home.”


Shall I go on?
 

Zzarchov

House Member
Aug 28, 2006
4,600
100
63
It was well known among Iraqis that saddam's main power source was the sanctions imposed on Iraq. He controlled the flow of food on the ground, hence everyone towed the line or starved.
If the sanctions were lifted the natural course of events would have followed ,Iraq would have killed him off or disposed of him in some way.
Now this is not my opinion but this guy from Iraq I met who pleaded this case at the united nations long before the new invasion.

He states, and he speaks for many of his countrymen, that this was the wests plan all along to keep him in power for the inevitable.

Also this same guy said he was kept in power to show Kuwait that he was still there and could invade again if it wasn't for the large usa army stationed there.Eventually all the Kuwait oil contracts became the property of the usa instead of Europe's.Erope did not station any large like the usa did......

On the same note ...i hear that caminco mining is up to it's eyeballs in lawsuits in the congo for like supplying weapons to rebels....not unlike the whole blood diamond movie .....they have been found to have supplied arms to rebels....it was a few people from congo that told me and for the life of me i can't find any info on it...so i dunno if it's true or a lie


I seem to recall him coming to power long before the sanctions, hell, he was in power even with direct US aid.

But the sanctions did halt the Genocide against the Kurds, without a steady supply of goods they put up a solid defence, and held the line in the civil war which has been raging for the last 20 years.

It also made him unable to effectively hold down the Shias who kept rebelling.

Seems like they did good.
 

EagleSmack

Hall of Fame Member
Feb 16, 2005
44,168
96
48
USA
To say that Saddam would have been killed off as a natural course of events is so speculative and not based on actual past events during his reign. Saddam said

"I know a traitor before he knows he's a traitor."

Saddam was a student (per se) of Stalin. He knew how to crush any opposition with relative ease. He was not afraid to wipe out a town in one fell swoop. That was the charge that he was executed on. He wiped out the village where they had an attempted assasination on him. Not just the perpetrators, the whole town!He DID know how to control the people in Iraq who are out of control now. Radical Muslims that give us chills did not give him chills. He just slaughtered them and tortured them.
 

Unforgiven

Force majeure
May 28, 2007
6,770
137
63
Democrats break their promise to voters to end Iraq war
By Askia Muhammad
White House Correspondent
Updated Apr 17, 2007, 04:12 pm


WASHINGTON (FinalCall.com) - In Washington politics, things are not always what they appear to be. The current debate over continued funding of the war in Iraq is an example.

The conventional wisdom insists that the debate over ending the war is all about the looming veto showdown between President George W. Bush and Congress over continued funding for the $2 billion-per-week Iraq war and whether or not funds, which must be approved by Congress, should include mandates for any withdrawal of U.S. forces.
On the one hand, the Bush administration wants no conditions on the massive amounts of money it says it needs as it escalates the bloody war now in its fifth year, and that strings attached by the Democratic-led legislature are reckless, dangerous, and undermine his commanders and their troops who are “in harm’s way.”
Democrats, on the other hand, argue that their tactic of providing full funding for “Bush’s war,” while setting non-binding timetables for troop withdrawals is the best way to force a change in the war policy.
But that’s just part of the story.
A growing number of war opponents complain that Democrats, who now control both the House of Representatives and the Senate, have gone back on their promise to voters last year to end the war outright.
The comments of a member of Code Pink, who identified herself only as “Liz from Arizona,” are typical. “I want to say that I’m very disappointed. We voted for a mandate of peace, and peace platform candidates on Nov. 7, which changed Congress. And we are expecting Congress to do their jobs, and support our troops. Bring them home out of this illegal, failed, endless occupation,” she told The Final Call after a protest at a banquet for Congressional radio and television correspondents held Mar. 28.
“We’re tired of it. Our families are tired. We want our families united. We want to move on. We want our moral standing in the world back,” she continued.
“Liz” is not alone.
“In the labor movement, we love what they’re [Code Pink] doing, and when they come to Ohio, we’re going to turn that state ‘blue,’” a sheet-metal worker who identified himself only as “Ted” told The Final Call.
The next day, the Senate voted its version of a $122 billion off-budget, emergency supplemental appropriation, which included a troop pullout timetable. But that was not before dozens of protestors set up a mock grave site in the Hart Senate Office Building, with pictures of U.S. troops and Iraqi civilians “killed in this illegal and immoral war,” organizer Kevin Zeese, a member of Peace Action from Montgomery County, Maryland told The Final Call Mar. 29 just after the Senate vote.
“The point of the demonstration was to say to the Democratic Party that they were not elected and put into majority power status to extend the war, they were put in there to end the war,” said Mr. Zeese. “This current bill they’re so proud of passing today, and claim is a change in course with its deadlines or goals, extends the war for another year, and even after their deadline, there are such gigantic loopholes that any commander-in-chief could keep as many troops as he or she wanted to, after that goal or deadline is passed.
“I really think that what we’re seeing in Washington, D.C. around this war, is political game-playing. The Democrats, I think, are trying to position themselves for 2008. They don’t want to have the responsibility for this war, so they’re trying to put something in this bill that sounds a little different, unless you look at the details.”
The “details” of the Democratic position, mean more of the same, critics insist. For example: The Senate bill sets non-binding target dates for the withdrawal of “combat troops.” They make up about half of the 150,000 troops now in Iraq, and those numbers will “surge” to 170,000 by summer. Half of that number will still keep more than 80,000 U.S. military personnel there, “that’s a gigantic force,” said Mr. Zeese.
“But even beyond that, combat troops are allowed to stay, to: Fight terrorists; to secure the borders; to train Iraqis. Those are such gigantic loopholes,” he said. “We’re right now doing all those things with 150,000 troops, and we’re not doing it very effectively.
“We’re in fact losing this war with 150,000 troops. So, I could see a commander-in-chief saying, ‘I need more troops,’ and under the language of the Senate bill, and the language of the House bill, that would be permitted because they would be fighting terrorists, fighting al Qaeda.”
“Our Congress people are just out of touch,” said “Liz.” “I can’t even meet with them and talk to them, reasonably. I have to come to D.C. and find them in the street and walk with them, and try to converse, and try to touch some humanity in their spirit.”
But Democrats–even the Congressional Black Caucus–defend a number of initiatives that were tacked on to the war supplemental appropriation.
Some of those add-ons which were added to attract the votes of liberal Democrats, especially CBC members, include: $4.3 billion for Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) disaster recovery grants; $1.3 billion for levee protection in New Orleans; $30 million for K-12 education recruitment assistance; $30 million for higher education assistance; community disaster loan forgiveness; $25 million for Small Business Administration (SBA) disaster loans; $80 million for U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) tenant-based rental assistance; $400 million for low income home energy assistance; $3.7 billion in agricultural assistance; and $40 million in foreign aid security assistance for Liberia.
In all, 35 of the CBC’s 40 eligible House members endorsed the add-ons, despite the fact that almost all of those who endorsed the appropriation had earlier signed on as members of the “Out of Iraq Caucus.”
In the end, only eight members of the 70-member Out of Iraq Caucus voted against the money, which opponents insist guarantees that the war will continue until at least 2008. Those members were: Reps. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.), chair of the Caucus; Barbara Lee (D-Calif.), John Lewis (D-Ga.), Diane Watson (D-Calif.), presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio), Mike Michaud (D-Minn.), Mike McNulty (D-N.Y.), and Lynn Woolsey (D-Calif.).
In addition, war opponents complain that more than 225 U.S. forces have been killed in Iraq since the Democrats have come to power on Capitol Hill. “We are here to express our outrage at a Democrat-crafted spending bill that would continue the Iraq war into August 2008, and leave thousands, potentially tens of thousands of troops on the ground in that country, even after that date,” Deborah Abramsky, a leader of Neighbors United for Justice and Peace from nearby Mt. Rainier, Md. said in a letter hand-delivered to Congressional offices.
“The majority of U.S. voters want the troops to come home now,” the letter continues. “The Democrats were given a mandate to end the war when they gained a majority in the House and Senate in the last election. None of the Democratic leadership’s plans take into account the urgency of that mandate. It is hypocrisy that in this supplemental the Democrats will be paying for the escalation that they voted against last month.”
“The peace movement that has been working so hard to end the war is sickened by this supplemental,” said Ellen Barfield, a veteran and member of the Baltimore Pledge of Resistance and Veterans for Peace, in a statement.
“The American people gave Congress a mandate to get us out of Iraq, not to give suggestions to President Bush in the hopes he may finally listen,” said Tina Richards, the mother of Marine Cpl. Cloy Richards, who faces his third deployment in the war zone.
There are other loopholes in both the House and Senate versions of the funding bill. Critics complain that more than 100,000 Pentagon and State Department-paid “mercenaries,” or contract personnel, who are now in Iraq, will not be affected by the emergency legislation.
“It’s certainly not an end to the war when you allow to keep combat troops there to fight terrorists, train Iraqis and secure the borders, and then also keep tens of thousands of non-combat troops there to support those troops. It’s certainly not going to be an end to the war,” said Mr. Zeese. “And further, the failure to deal with the use of military force against Iran, makes it more likely that this bill will expand the war, rather than bring the troops home.”


Shall I go on?

I suppose you should since I didn't ready anything in the editorial from Louis Farrakhan's website that was a quote from a democrat saying that when they take back control of the house and senate that they will end the war in Iraq.

As mentioned before, only the administration has the ability to end that war and through his veto power, Bush has forced congress to choose either to stop all funding to the military and the rest of the country in putting an end to any bill they attempt to submit that calls for the pull out. This as I'm sure you can understand would put the troops are an even greater risk when things that keep troops safe, run out. Rather than put Americans at risk that way, funding was ammended and the only other solution is to remove Bush and the administration from the White House so that a pull out can be started.

But honestly, if you can find the majority of democrats being quoted as saying that they promise to end the war in Iraq the moment they gain control of the House and Senate, please post it here.
 

talloola

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 14, 2006
19,576
113
63
Vancouver Island
The Democrats pulled on the heart strings of people who are vehemently opposed to the war. Why did Cindy Sheehan come out and say

"Now we will make sure that the people we helped into office make good on their promises and end the war."

That statement is 'her' statement, not any democrat, elected.

Many of them promised to end the war so you obviously did not follow the 2006 Campaign close enough. Congress can end the war by withholding funding. The can also use the War Powers Act to challenge the President. They can end it but the do not have the political will. Their plush new offices and everything else that goes with it are much more important than promises and saving additional lives.

Yes, I allready mentioned those factors, but they are smart, not to withhold funding, as republicans
are, just waiting for them to do that, then they will blame democrats for the failure of the war, it's
all about politics, and the democrats are not going to be 'sucked' into that, and good for them. They
have also said, that when they do have the power to pull troops out, (after 2008), it will be done
gradually, and not 'cold turkey', so that Iraq can adjust accordingly, also smart, and necessary.
Anyone who took anything they said, and ran with it, as 'going to pull troops out now', did not
listen very carefully. They can put lots of pressure on administration now, along with some
republicans, who are against administration, but they aren't going to get the whole 'MISTAKE"
laid on them, like the republicans would like to do.

You are most likely right. If they end the funding the war will have to end and the GOP will blame them. But so what? Isn't that what they got elected for? Why should they worry what the GOP says

The problem is that, as soon as the republicans' begin to shift blame to them for witholding funding, so many of the people, (who are sheep), will follow and believe. It's too bad, but that is the way
it is. Everything right now is geared toward 2008, and strategies are being laid out by both parties.
It is important for the administration to finish this term 'still' holding the responsibility and blame
for all those mistakes, because he people are fickle and soon forget, I mean, they reelected Bush,
that shows how gullible they are.

Political parties don't act on what is popular at the moment, they act on what is in it for them
down the road, and how to keep the other side 'down'. It is always a game, doesn't matter what
party it is.
 

mabudon

Metal King
Mar 15, 2006
1,339
30
48
Golden Horseshoe, Ontario
Well since the main obstacle to succes has been removed in Cindy Sheehan, I expect victory is soon to follow- as soon as the violence starts to stop increasing at a rapid pace anyways

Funny how (and to the F-ing coward who likes to leave me anonymous, insulting rep comments, here's another one for ya you POS) every time things "turn a corner" they get SO much more dangerous. Maybe Cindy can be sent to Gitmo for all the deaths she's caused eh??

Friggin dogs, I won't be sad to see the human race wiped out knowing that so many of the constituents are pig-headed loudmouth mean-spirited morons like some of the folks posting in this thread
 
  • Like
Reactions: Dreadful Nonsense

talloola

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 14, 2006
19,576
113
63
Vancouver Island
Well since the main obstacle to succes has been removed in Cindy Sheehan, I expect victory is soon to follow- as soon as the violence starts to stop increasing at a rapid pace anyways

Funny how (and to the F-ing coward who likes to leave me anonymous, insulting rep comments, here's another one for ya you POS) every time things "turn a corner" they get SO much more dangerous. Maybe Cindy can be sent to Gitmo for all the deaths she's caused eh??

Don't let anonymous rep comments bother you. The fact that they are anonymous answers any
question concerning their validity. Anyone can say anything with identifying themselves, and it
also means- NOTHING.

Friggin dogs, I won't be sad to see the human race wiped out knowing that so many of the constituents are pig-headed loudmouth mean-spirited morons like some of the folks posting in this thread
Think about the rest of us, who are not 'pigheaded loudmouth mean-spirited morons' whew!!!! that
was a mouthful.
Just say what you think, we can handle it.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Dreadful Nonsense
May 28, 2007
3,866
67
48
Honour our Fallen
AWE man just figured out how to read the rep stuff....can i see the begginning ...man there are people that hate me..go figure.hahahahahahaha....all i got is recent stuff and if you click + it closes which is sort of bizarre....can the first 40 people that repped me do it again please...maybe caps would help hahahahaha.

closet flaming fun wow....methinks i should not kbnow about this button hahahaha
 

talloola

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 14, 2006
19,576
113
63
Vancouver Island
Well, I don't know about this one, but I just got a very wierd 'rep' , which seems like it should be red,
but it's green. Can anyone explain!!!!
 
May 28, 2007
3,866
67
48
Honour our Fallen
Of course there is such a thing. But the existence of such doesn't translate into a promise to end the war in Iraq. Which is what you were supposed to post. ;)

eaglesmack...tell me i did not call it...told ya u 2 would be busy...unfydo here learned all this neocon,smack the crap outta the replublican with bafflegab and tonsel fungus in high school talk from master jON...now if jON was here .....wow there is not enough board for jON.
ok, go get him Grasshopper, he's flying the flag you love to hate laddy buck...

As for me i say we need A George Bush to live this free dream amongst the insane who hate us and would die to finnally get laid in heaven.

Sort of like when Spock said the famous Vulcan edict"It took Nixon to go to China"
 

Unforgiven

Force majeure
May 28, 2007
6,770
137
63
http://publiuspress.typepad.com/blackdogpress/2007/05/mr_cavesalot_go.html

Here are a few more examples. But I am sure the SOURCE will not be acceptable.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you know the difference between a quote and an opinion. I've offered you three chances to post the quote from the Dems that they would end the war in Iraq and you haven't delivered.

Now you're man Bush could end the war and work with the House to bring the boys back home. But that isn't going to happen is it. Everyone knows the US is beat in Iraq. Like Vietnam, you're coming home leaving the job you started in one big bloody mess. No WMD just a bunch of lies and conspiracy theories.
Oh yeah and probably thousands of people who hate Americans so much now that they will gladly kill themselves just to hurt Americans. Is that the feeling of safety you were looking for?

I would mention that this should be the hands down single lesson that teaches Americans only to fight in self defence, but I know that in a few more terms of office, once the economy is back on track and there isn't really too much to complain about, another war-hawk President will be elected and go looking for a war to start some where. And the military industrial complex will again bristle with the impending profits.

Just don't blame it on the liberal left who don't want to rush off to start a war based on lies. Theres a good lad. ;-)
 

EagleSmack

Hall of Fame Member
Feb 16, 2005
44,168
96
48
USA
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you know the difference between a quote and an opinion. I've offered you three chances to post the quote from the Dems that they would end the war in Iraq and you haven't delivered.

Now you're man Bush could end the war and work with the House to bring the boys back home. But that isn't going to happen is it. Everyone knows the US is beat in Iraq. Like Vietnam, you're coming home leaving the job you started in one big bloody mess. No WMD just a bunch of lies and conspiracy theories.
Oh yeah and probably thousands of people who hate Americans so much now that they will gladly kill themselves just to hurt Americans. Is that the feeling of safety you were looking for?

I would mention that this should be the hands down single lesson that teaches Americans only to fight in self defence, but I know that in a few more terms of office, once the economy is back on track and there isn't really too much to complain about, another war-hawk President will be elected and go looking for a war to start some where. And the military industrial complex will again bristle with the impending profits.

Just don't blame it on the liberal left who don't want to rush off to start a war based on lies. Theres a good lad. ;-)

Look... read the dog gone quotes from them! Their campaign promises. The internet is FULL of them. I was trying to pick quotes from sites that arent too far left or right. Even Farrakahns site, albeit he's a jerk... he hates both the Dems and the GOP!

So it appears that any post I do that points out OVER AND OVER how the Democrats ran on campaign promises that PROMISED and IMMEDIATE END TO THE WAR IF ELECTED are simply ignored by you because you don't want to open your eyes. I wish we had this thread in October because the newly elected congressmen and women have wiped their websites clean of their pledges. Only people like Maxine Waters has been steadfast in refusing to sign anything that continues the war.

You're right... Bush isn't going to end the war because he believes in it. Why should he cave in. The Democrats are now stewing in their sewerage of lies and broken promises and are spinning this resolution to try to make it seem like it is a resolution to end the war. It basically gave Bush what he wanted, funding and no time table. And true Democratic form... OK, we'll back off of our promises but give us some pork to bring back home.

The Democrats have the power to cut funding all together...
The Democrats have the power to challenge the President with the War Powers Act (Resolution)...

They will not because they lack political will.

We aren't coming home from Iraq yet so the comparison to Vietnam is premature and hopeful speculation on your part. I know that you WANT the US to fail even though it will be a disaster if they do. If the US succeeds and a stable government takes root in Iraq it will be the best thing for the Iraqi people. However it will be the WORST thing for folks like you who pray every night for the US to fail over there just because you either hate the US or you just hate GW Bush.

The same thing goes for Democrats and Liberals... it is not about the Iraqi people suceeding. That is not important. What is important is a GOP and Bush Administration failure in Iraq... that is the main goal.
 

talloola

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 14, 2006
19,576
113
63
Vancouver Island
The same thing goes for Democrats and Liberals... it is not about the Iraqi people suceeding. That is not important. What is important is a GOP and Bush Administration failure in Iraq... that is the main goal.[/quote]


Iraq is 'allready' a failure. The administration is 'treading water right now', trying to figure out how
to transfer that 'failure' onto someone else, and yes, for the democrats to 'stop funding for the war
right now' is the exact ingredient that bush needs to do that.
They didn't need 20 thousands more troops, that was a ploy, so they would have to ask for billions
more, to cover that increase in military boots on the ground,so then, the democrats would 'bite', take the 'bait', and stop the funding. It's all a game and
Bush is wasting the lives of iraqi's and americans by playin g politics to get this 'damn' war off of his
back.

Don't go for it, Democrats, be smarter.
 
Last edited:

Unforgiven

Force majeure
May 28, 2007
6,770
137
63
Look... read the dog gone quotes from them! Their campaign promises. The internet is FULL of them. I was trying to pick quotes from sites that arent too far left or right. Even Farrakahns site, albeit he's a jerk... he hates both the Dems and the GOP!

So it appears that any post I do that points out OVER AND OVER how the Democrats ran on campaign promises that PROMISED and IMMEDIATE END TO THE WAR IF ELECTED are simply ignored by you because you don't want to open your eyes. I wish we had this thread in October because the newly elected congressmen and women have wiped their websites clean of their pledges. Only people like Maxine Waters has been steadfast in refusing to sign anything that continues the war.

You're right... Bush isn't going to end the war because he believes in it. Why should he cave in. The Democrats are now stewing in their sewerage of lies and broken promises and are spinning this resolution to try to make it seem like it is a resolution to end the war. It basically gave Bush what he wanted, funding and no time table. And true Democratic form... OK, we'll back off of our promises but give us some pork to bring back home.

The Democrats have the power to cut funding all together...
The Democrats have the power to challenge the President with the War Powers Act (Resolution)...

They will not because they lack political will.

We aren't coming home from Iraq yet so the comparison to Vietnam is premature and hopeful speculation on your part. I know that you WANT the US to fail even though it will be a disaster if they do. If the US succeeds and a stable government takes root in Iraq it will be the best thing for the Iraqi people. However it will be the WORST thing for folks like you who pray every night for the US to fail over there just because you either hate the US or you just hate GW Bush.

The same thing goes for Democrats and Liberals... it is not about the Iraqi people suceeding. That is not important. What is important is a GOP and Bush Administration failure in Iraq... that is the main goal.

So it's all about the poor people of Iraq? Oh boy, that's something special. Is this some favour they will be expected to pay back?

After 9/11 no one in the world was saying that America should go to Iraq. No one. This was all Bushco. They put the coalition of the bought and paid for together. They beat the war drum and stormed into Iraq for nothing. There was no concern for the people of Iraq.

It's been mentioned a few times already, and it's as clear as day to everyone other than the few rabid GOP supporters that want this to be someone else's fault. Except for you, everyone and their dog knows that no funding would not bring anyone home from Iraq. It would just be a slow dwindling down of resources while Americans get slaughtered over there. Haliburton would be suing the government. Blackwater would be suing the government and a host of others would also be suing the government, but there would be no pull out until Bushco was removed from the White House.

Just like Katrina is everyones fault except the Bush administration and the fools at FEMA who where fare more concerned with paper work than the lives and livelihood of the victims.

Bushco isn't going to clean up Iraq. Like the CIA trained the Mujahideen countries are secretly funding the effort to destabilize, create huge body counts and continue to keep American forces busy chasing shadows and rumours.

Look at the rats leaving the Bushco ship. It's over, let go.