Cindy Sheehan QUITS

[EagleSmack]

Well it is a step closer to compassion than the "F OFF AND DIE BIOTCH" that has been the standard response to her, what she has to say and the sorrow for the loss of her son from the Republican/Neoconfederate throw backs that started the war and this whole problem off in the first place.

Though I agree, for what passes for liberalism in the US, this is probably the best she can expect.

Oh and Conservatives are the only ones who use vial language? All of the taunts that people who support the troops have to go through and that includes other Gold Star Mothers. Liberals are more vial in their protests. How about this sign I read from a SF anti-war protest

WE SUPPORT THE TROOPS... THAT SHOOT THEIR OFFICERS

Yes..officers don't have mothers, wives etc. Liberal Compassion.


At least the opponents of Cindy let her know where they stood. The anti-war movement (i.e liberals and democrats) betrayed her.

 

[jimmoyer]

Good points Eaglesmack on the Left using Sheehan and spitting her out when she criticized their inability to follow up, but even her criticism of the Democrats was naive, because that party and the Republicans are truly grappling with what might happen when we leave.

I've turned against this war. What finally snapped for me was the Baghdad government considering taking 2 months right during the heart of "The Surge." That was out of synch. That was a bit of bad reality to consider ---- just before September when Ramadan begins.

I was wrong buying into Rumsfeld's argument that we didn't have an AFTERMATH plan when enterring WWII or WWI. The White House really should not have been so derisive in dismissing very good questions BEFORE THE WAR posed by the ever mouthy Joe Biden. But it turns out, they were honest questions. Worthwhile questions. Important questions. Questions to pause over.

You're right about the Left being careless about our troops and maybe spoiling for political advantage at the cost to all Americans and the West, but the Left is correct about some things: notably the hubris involved prior to this war. I voted for Bush.

Sheehan can hardly represent the depth of feeling on this subject because of her political and psychological naivete.

 

[Unforgiven]

Oh and Conservatives are the only ones who use vial language? All of the taunts that people who support the troops have to go through and that includes other Gold Star Mothers. Liberals are more vial in their protests. How about this sign I read from a SF anti-war protest

WE SUPPORT THE TROOPS... THAT SHOOT THEIR OFFICERS

Yes..officers don't have mothers, wives etc. Liberal Compassion.


At least the opponents of Cindy let her know where they stood. The anti-war movement (i.e liberals and democrats) betrayed her.

Heh heh yes the were very vocal about how they felt. Bless their bleating hearts. Wasn't "We Support The Troops ... That Shoot Their Officers" one of Kerry's campaign slogans? I mean sure it's on every bumper of every blue state suv and minivan alike but that doesn't mean it's everywhere. Face it, the Liberals just want it more.

Something I've noticed that started with you neocons, but spread like a foot fungus in a highschool locker room, is the cold hearted, no boundry personal attacks on anyone with a different opinion, and then complaining about how all the liberal media and democrats are just mean and say uncalled for things all the time. (hello Ann Coulter)

But maybe the point Cindy Sheehan has made is that this America doesn't deserve the dedication and comittment that those who are willing to fight and die to preserve an ideology. One that is under attack more from within than from any other threat to the US.

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

Heh heh yes the were very vocal about how they felt. Bless their bleating hearts. Wasn't "We Support The Troops ... That Shoot Their Officers" one of Kerry's campaign slogans? I mean sure it's on every bumper of every blue state suv and minivan alike but that doesn't mean it's everywhere. Face it, the Liberals just want it more.

Something I've noticed that started with you neocons, but spread like a foot fungus in a highschool locker room, is the cold hearted, no boundry personal attacks on anyone with a different opinion, and then complaining about how all the liberal media and democrats are just mean and say uncalled for things all the time. (hello Ann Coulter)

But maybe the point Cindy Sheehan has made is that this America doesn't deserve the dedication and comittment that those who are willing to fight and die to preserve an ideology. One that is under attack more from within than from any other threat to the US.

Go get em unfy do.You will soon find out he's quoting from Canadian rag editorials. Not much of his own ideas.
Now I must say Eaglesmack and unfy are gonna be busy. But keep in mind yer mostly talking to the last few days newspaper editorials...LOL!!!!

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

In all fairness this neoliberal unfydo we all love and adore does get most of his inspiration from a steady diet of booze as he posted in another thread. We're all proud of our neoliberals in Canada who grunt and groan inbetween belches at our means to remain free and safe.

 

[Zzarchov]

in less than one page what she was trying to say was flat out ignored and twisted for political points.

The main problem with US politics, which is infecting Canada, is that it has stopped having anything to do with politics and has become more like people arguing over your favourite sports team. You pick a team and root for it, no matter what.

It doesn't matter what they stand for, or what they do, or what the other guy stands for or what they do. What matters is your team needs to win, then you can take your shirt off and smear red or blue paint letters on your chest with all your buddies and cheer about winning, maybe wave a foam "We're #1!" hand around.

And if you think the lure of money and power combined with the most abusable political system (which is fairly common around the world, its how despotisms form) don't breed corruption from everybody you are insane.

What you have here is breeding ground for Despotism, nobody involved (either in power of voting for them) wants anything bad to happen, but they have created a pool ripe for it to occur when some nutball does grab the opportunity laid out before him and do something ACTUALLY bad.

 

[gc]

I mean really, her son dies doing what he wanted to do and the next thing you know dear old mom is kissing Hugo Chavez' ass. Nice. Good riddance to her.

You think her son wanted to be lied to?

 

[EagleSmack]

in less than one page what she was trying to say was flat out ignored and twisted for political points.

The main problem with US politics, which is infecting Canada, is that it has stopped having anything to do with politics and has become more like people arguing over your favourite sports team. You pick a team and root for it, no matter what.

It doesn't matter what they stand for, or what they do, or what the other guy stands for or what they do. What matters is your team needs to win, then you can take your shirt off and smear red or blue paint letters on your chest with all your buddies and cheer about winning, maybe wave a foam "We're #1!" hand around.

And if you think the lure of money and power combined with the most abusable political system (which is fairly common around the world, its how despotisms form) don't breed corruption from everybody you are insane.

What you have here is breeding ground for Despotism, nobody involved (either in power of voting for them) wants anything bad to happen, but they have created a pool ripe for it to occur when some nutball does grab the opportunity laid out before him and do something ACTUALLY bad.

This is so true. There was a great book written by a Democrat that speaks to this exact issue called "Why Americans Hate Politics".

It isn't about what is good for the country, it is about beating the other side. A good example is NAFTA. NAFTA was promoted by the Republicans for many years before Clinton came to office. The Democrats vehemently opposed NAFTA. However once Clinton came into office and threw his support to NAFTA it suddenly was a great idea to ALL Democrats. Same plan, same everything... but the difference was that it was supported by a Dem President and the Democrat controlled Congress got onboard.


On the other hand when the Clinton Administration was bombing Yugoslavia and the Serb Govt. into the Stone Age war was a pretty good thing! The GOP opposed it. Not many anti-war demonstrations either which shows that anti-war protestors are typically Liberal Dems. So an illegal war, which it was if people are calling the Iraq War illegal isn't so bad as long as a Democrat is sending the troops. A friend of mine is a Marine pilot who participated in the bombings of Yugoslavia and he said that they bombed the Serbian controlled areas w/o mercy. Power plants, water plants, bridges, infrastructure targets were bombed nonstop until the Serb Govt. said "Uncle!" Not a peep from the Left on civillian casualties there. I guess women and children are not too important when Liberals and Democrats are dropping the bombs.

 

[jimmoyer]

On the other hand when the Clinton Administration was bombing Yugoslavia and the Serb Govt. into the Stone Age war was a pretty good thing! The GOP opposed it. Not many anti-war demonstrations either which shows that anti-war protestors are typically Liberal Dems. So an illegal war, which it was if people are calling the Iraq War illegal isn't so bad as long as a Democrat is sending the troops. A friend of mine is a Marine pilot who participated in the bombings of Yugoslavia and he said that they bombed the Serbian controlled areas w/o mercy. Power plants, water plants, bridges, infrastructure targets were bombed nonstop until the Serb Govt. said "Uncle!" Not a peep from the Left on civillian casualties there. I guess women and children are not too important when Liberals and Democrats are dropping the bombs.
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Man is that ever true.

It was less an imminent threat than Iraq, but strategic enough to be in Europe's backyard who seemed unwilling to follow up on their promise after WWII to never again allow genocide on their continent.

 

[thomaska]

Some people hear only what they want to hear. Others just never listen.

:lol: A two sided blade if there ever was one...

 

[thomaska]

This is so true. There was a great book written by a Democrat that speaks to this exact issue called "Why Americans Hate Politics".

It isn't about what is good for the country, it is about beating the other side. A good example is NAFTA. NAFTA was promoted by the Republicans for many years before Clinton came to office. The Democrats vehemently opposed NAFTA. However once Clinton came into office and threw his support to NAFTA it suddenly was a great idea to ALL Democrats. Same plan, same everything... but the difference was that it was supported by a Dem President and the Democrat controlled Congress got onboard.


On the other hand when the Clinton Administration was bombing Yugoslavia and the Serb Govt. into the Stone Age war was a pretty good thing! The GOP opposed it. Not many anti-war demonstrations either which shows that anti-war protestors are typically Liberal Dems. So an illegal war, which it was if people are calling the Iraq War illegal isn't so bad as long as a Democrat is sending the troops. A friend of mine is a Marine pilot who participated in the bombings of Yugoslavia and he said that they bombed the Serbian controlled areas w/o mercy. Power plants, water plants, bridges, infrastructure targets were bombed nonstop until the Serb Govt. said "Uncle!" Not a peep from the Left on civillian casualties there. I guess women and children are not too important when Liberals and Democrats are dropping the bombs.

Well for one thing...the Muslims getting killed there didn't really look the part, you know, being caucasion-looking, so the nutroots sensibilities weren't quite as offended.

 

[shadowshiv]

I haven't heard about it. Are there actually conservatives giving you moonbats some quarter somewhere?

May I ask what the heck a moonbat is?

 

[talloola]

Oh and the liberals have shown her SO MUCH compassion haven't they? Once they got elected and she came to them wanting them to (eee gads) keep their promise of getting out of Iraq they push her away and ignore her. The media, the politicians, the Democratic political action teams that hauled her out in front of every camera leading up to the election suddenly dismiss her.

Only the administration has the power to pull out of Iraq, and everyone knew that all along, including
Cindy Sheehan, what she did was, help the american people see what a disaster the war is, and how
the present administration is 'killing' their own military personnel, by stubbornly staying in Iraq, while
more and more american military die.

"So long Cindy... we got what we want... Now go away and be quiet."

Liberal compassion at its best

All movements come to an end, she made her point, loud and clear, good for her.

 

[Unforgiven]

in less than one page what she was trying to say was flat out ignored and twisted for political points.

The main problem with US politics, which is infecting Canada, is that it has stopped having anything to do with politics and has become more like people arguing over your favourite sports team. You pick a team and root for it, no matter what.

It doesn't matter what they stand for, or what they do, or what the other guy stands for or what they do. What matters is your team needs to win, then you can take your shirt off and smear red or blue paint letters on your chest with all your buddies and cheer about winning, maybe wave a foam "We're #1!" hand around.

And if you think the lure of money and power combined with the most abusable political system (which is fairly common around the world, its how despotisms form) don't breed corruption from everybody you are insane.

What you have here is breeding ground for Despotism, nobody involved (either in power of voting for them) wants anything bad to happen, but they have created a pool ripe for it to occur when some nutball does grab the opportunity laid out before him and do something ACTUALLY bad.

I agree with that, and I admit to a small amount of cheer leading for my part but I do try and see whats right when I can and vote for the closest platform to that. But other than speaking to it, there isn't much that can be done to change that, or is there?

Plus no matter who forms the government or an administration, the bureaucracy remains the same. So how do you go about changing things enough to actually make a difference?

 

[Kreskin]

The Dems would bring the troops home in a flash if not for a President who will continue to fight a war, no matter what. Bush sent the "surge" troop first then begged for funding later. Bush continues to play the "you're with us or with the terrorists" strategy. If you don't fund his program you get to be branded the political loser. The first to pull the plug will officially be paraded as the reason the war was lost.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

I don't think its as simple as just bring the troops home anymore. I am not sure it ever was. There is no question that the USA fuc-ked this thing up from the get go. They had no exit strategy. Now they are in a quagmire which has no way out short of nuking the whole area to oblivion and that really isn't a viable option. Is it too late to unhang Sadamn and restore him to power?

 

[Zzarchov]

Its not any worse than under Saddam, in many ways its alot better.

The problem is its still bad, and now the US has to deal with it.

 

[talloola]

I'm sure Bush and his cronies are working overtime to figure out the 'suckers' ,to blame, and as soon
as they do that, they will pull out of Iraq.
The democrats have to tread lightly, as they are the likely 'suckers'.
The runner-up suckers will be the Iraqi government, or on second thought, they probably will be
the 'actual suckers', but we all know for sure, that the republican administration will wiggle out of
the spot they are in right now.
Maybe they will figure out a way to blame it on Iran.
November is drawing near, the start of the campaigning for re election, so I still believe that is the
month they will do it.
Would love to be a fly on the wall in those closed door meetings between Bush, Cheney, and Rove but on the
other hand, the smell in the room would be more deadly than RAID', so, maybe not.

 

[EagleSmack]

Oh and the liberals have shown her SO MUCH compassion haven't they? Once they got elected and she came to them wanting them to (eee gads) keep their promise of getting out of Iraq they push her away and ignore her. The media, the politicians, the Democratic political action teams that hauled her out in front of every camera leading up to the election suddenly dismiss her.

Only the administration has the power to pull out of Iraq, and everyone knew that all along, including
Cindy Sheehan, what she did was, help the american people see what a disaster the war is, and how
the present administration is 'killing' their own military personnel, by stubbornly staying in Iraq, while
more and more american military die.

"So long Cindy... we got what we want... Now go away and be quiet."

Liberal compassion at its best

All movements come to an end, she made her point, loud and clear, good for her.

NO NO NO

The Democrats PROMISED an end to the war! They did, over and over, and over. Congress could put an end to the war but it is not that simple. However it could be done.

Cindy Sheehan accomplished little if anything. She was used by the Liberal Dems to get votes and ignored by them afterwards. She did not help the American people see anything. It was an unpopular war before the first bomb was dropped. Cindy was a puppet that was disgarded when she spoke out against the very people that she helped. She even says it in her own words how she has been abandoned by the Democrats. What did she expect?

 

[talloola]

NO NO NO

The Democrats PROMISED an end to the war! They did, over and over, and over. Congress could put an end to the war but it is not that simple. However it could be done.

Cindy Sheehan accomplished little if anything. She was used by the Liberal Dems to get votes and ignored by them afterwards. She did not help the American people see anything. It was an unpopular war before the first bomb was dropped. Cindy was a puppet that was disgarded when she spoke out against the very people that she helped. She even says it in her own words how she has been abandoned by the Democrats. What did she expect?

The democrats 'never' promised to end the war. They said, and knew, and everyone should have known also, that the congress does not have the power to do that. It isn't a secret, it's the law.
She knew it as well. They didn't promise anyone they would pull out of Iraq, I followed the
campaigning, and they never ever came to that point, they always left the 'grey' area open, as they
do not have the POWER, only the administration does. The only thing they can do is withhold
money, and they didn't say they would do that either, as the republicans are just waiting for them
to do that, so they can transfer the responsibility of the FAILURE of the war to the democrats.
The democrats aren't that stupid.