Chrystia Freeland

petros

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Many of the old SoCreds were federal Liberals. I wasn't much involved with the SoCreds, so I never met her until after the BC Liberals got going. At that time, both liberals and conservatives were pretty much extinct in BC. SoCred was big tent center right before Vanderscam fuxkked it up. Noe we have a COnservative party that is part fiscal conservative and part wackaloons that want to play ball from behind the bleachers. ANd the wackaloons are playing on several different teams.
So, much as I dislike Eby and his rich socialist fiends, it is probably better all round that the conservatives are not governing until the aliens pick up their experiments.
SoCreds were Conservative.
 

Ron in Regina

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Freeland resigned just hours before she was supposed to present a fiscal update that showed the government had blown past its target for the federal deficit by more than $20 billion…on top of the other $40 billion deficit.

The source said they believe Freeland is now making efforts to ensure the door is open for a potential leadership run if Trudeau resigns, ‘cuz fiscal responsibility?
 

Ron in Regina

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Oh you sly dirty dog you...bravo!

LOL!
One thing is for sure, whoever the Liberal leader ends up being, they need to solve their extremist problem.

In the moments when she did get to speak, Freeland painted herself as a fighter of Putin and the KGB and of Donald Trump. She attacked Poilievre, calling him “mean” and “weak.”

And she made the following promise about her ability to bring Canadians together: “I will unite every province and territory; business leaders and working people; and Canadians from every walk of life and of every political conviction.” Clearly, her hecklers do not agree.

At one point, Freeland told the crowd of these disturbances: “Protest is important. We are a free country, and one of the great things about our country is that people are free to express dissenting points of view. But what is not okay … is to get in the way of others, expressing their point of view and putting forward their position.”

Unless, of course, you’re a Freedom Convoy supporter, I guess. Or, a member of the press wanting to ask a tough question.

In the media room, we were informed we’d only get six or seven questions … maybe … Why? We were told Freeland had to rush off and see her supporters. It left myself and a member of The Logic standing at the mic unable to ask our questions.

Here’s what I was going to ask Liberal Party leadership hopeful Chrystia Freeland: “You blew past the promised deficit cap by $20 billion. Then, you didn’t show up to answer questions and take responsibility for your role in that. Was your anger at Justin Trudeau more important than your responsibility to show up and deliver the Fall Economic Statement and answer questions about your performance on that file?”

I guess I’ll never know what her answer would’ve been, but Canadians certainly deserve to hear it.
I kept scanning the room, looking for who might sound off next, and tried to keep my distance from anyone dressed like they might be a protester, worried for everyone in the room that this might escalate further.

There must’ve have been close to 20 interruptions. I tried to record all of them, posting many to X, but I couldn’t keep up and lost count. It’s hard to tell from the recording of the event, but it was pure chaos.

The small gymnasium of the children’s community centre was divided into three groups, the total of which could not have been much more than 100, if that.

Attendees included Freeland and her supporters, made up of MPs, her family, and a few friends who were situated near her podium, the media, who held up the back wall, not getting a chance to have all their questions answered, and, interspersed throughout the crowd, seemingly timed to go off at alternating intervals, anti-Israel hecklers, who were dragged out of the room after banging on the gym walls to interrupt her speech and shouting phrases such as, “genocide supporter,” “fascist,” and “free Palestine.” Freeland’s supporters attempted to drown out the protesters each time by clapping and shouting loudly, “Freeland, Freeland,” plugging their ears to the rising tide of political extremism in this country.

What was quickly made clear is that Freeland is woefully unprepared for the Canada that lies ahead of her — a Canada with an increasingly extremist anti-Israel/pro-Hamas segment who, even with a prisoner-hostage exchange occurring in Gaza as she announced her bid, were still unsatisfied with her party.

A party that, frankly, did everything it could to not help Israel and appease the protesters. And now it’s clear where that’s gotten them.
 
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One thing is for sure, whoever the Liberal leader ends up being, they need to solve their extremist problem.

In the moments when she did get to speak, Freeland painted herself as a fighter of Putin and the KGB and of Donald Trump. She attacked Poilievre, calling him “mean” and “weak.”

And she made the following promise about her ability to bring Canadians together: “I will unite every province and territory; business leaders and working people; and Canadians from every walk of life and of every political conviction.” Clearly, her hecklers do not agree.

At one point, Freeland told the crowd of these disturbances: “Protest is important. We are a free country, and one of the great things about our country is that people are free to express dissenting points of view. But what is not okay … is to get in the way of others, expressing their point of view and putting forward their position.”

Unless, of course, you’re a Freedom Convoy supporter, I guess. Or, a member of the press wanting to ask a tough question.

In the media room, we were informed we’d only get six or seven questions … maybe … Why? We were told Freeland had to rush off and see her supporters. It left myself and a member of The Logic standing at the mic unable to ask our questions.

Here’s what I was going to ask Liberal Party leadership hopeful Chrystia Freeland: “You blew past the promised deficit cap by $20 billion. Then, you didn’t show up to answer questions and take responsibility for your role in that. Was your anger at Justin Trudeau more important than your responsibility to show up and deliver the Fall Economic Statement and answer questions about your performance on that file?”

I guess I’ll never know what her answer would’ve been, but Canadians certainly deserve to hear it.
I kept scanning the room, looking for who might sound off next, and tried to keep my distance from anyone dressed like they might be a protester, worried for everyone in the room that this might escalate further.

There must’ve have been close to 20 interruptions. I tried to record all of them, posting many to X, but I couldn’t keep up and lost count. It’s hard to tell from the recording of the event, but it was pure chaos.

The small gymnasium of the children’s community centre was divided into three groups, the total of which could not have been much more than 100, if that.

Attendees included Freeland and her supporters, made up of MPs, her family, and a few friends who were situated near her podium, the media, who held up the back wall, not getting a chance to have all their questions answered, and, interspersed throughout the crowd, seemingly timed to go off at alternating intervals, anti-Israel hecklers, who were dragged out of the room after banging on the gym walls to interrupt her speech and shouting phrases such as, “genocide supporter,” “fascist,” and “free Palestine.” Freeland’s supporters attempted to drown out the protesters each time by clapping and shouting loudly, “Freeland, Freeland,” plugging their ears to the rising tide of political extremism in this country.

What was quickly made clear is that Freeland is woefully unprepared for the Canada that lies ahead of her — a Canada with an increasingly extremist anti-Israel/pro-Hamas segment who, even with a prisoner-hostage exchange occurring in Gaza as she announced her bid, were still unsatisfied with her party.

A party that, frankly, did everything it could to not help Israel and appease the protesters. And now it’s clear where that’s gotten them.
A menopausal Freeland.....
 

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Freeland is far too connected to Trudeau at this point to do anything.

She'll play the fact that she's a woman to get votes and that she quit the PMs gang but everyone knows that she was part of the gang while they ruled and she just jumps ship quickly.

No matter who gets the job after Trudeau he's poisoned the Liberal party for the next election, but Freeland is no where near going to win this election and even if she ran in the one after this, her name is mud from what she did this round.

Carney might have fun on the Jon Stewart show but he's not much better in terms of winning an election since he backtracks on everything he started as well.

I hope the Liberal party goes down in a spectacular fashion.
 
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Ron in Regina

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Freeland is far too connected to Trudeau at this point to do anything.
Every last single current liberal member of Parliament, that didn’t speak up during the 108 or whatever scandals, embezzlements, shenanigans, and just plain dirty shit the Libs have been involved in…is beyond tainted. As far as I’m concerned they’re all unelectable…but that’s just me.
She'll play the fact that she's a woman to get votes and that she quit the PMs gang but everyone knows that she was part of the gang while they ruled and she just jumps ship quickly.
She can play the fact that she’s a Lawn Gnome & I still will picture her giggling & squirming at the podium…bordering on a mini-orgasm as she announced she was freezing people’s bank accounts that went against Trudeau’s edicts.
No matter who gets the job after Trudeau he's poisoned the Liberal party for the next election, but Freeland is no where near going to win this election and even if she ran in the one after this, her name is mud from what she did this round.
I’m not religious, but that statement makes me wanna praise some deity or something.
Carney might have fun on the Jon Stewart show but he's not much better in terms of winning an election since he backtracks on everything he started as well.
Carney is up to his eyebrows as a Liberal insider, & in bed with Justin for several years so the fact that he’s trying to sell himself as an outsider is beyond credible, & that’s how he starts his campaign?? Outright blatant lies that are easily disprovable to anyone with access to google? Hard pass.
I hope the Liberal party goes down in a spectacular fashion.
🤞
 

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Every last single current liberal member of Parliament, that didn’t speak up during the 108 or whatever scandals, embezzlements, shenanigans, and just plain dirty shit the Libs have been involved in…is beyond tainted. As far as I’m concerned they’re all unelectable…but that’s just me.

She can play the fact that she’s a Lawn Gnome & I still will picture her giggling & squirming at the podium…bordering on a mini-orgasm as she announced she was freezing people’s bank accounts that went against Trudeau’s edicts.

I’m not religious, but that statement makes me wanna praise some deity or something.

Carney is up to his eyebrows as a Liberal insider, & in bed with Justin for several years so the fact that he’s trying to sell himself as an outsider is beyond credible, & that’s how he starts his campaign?? Outright blatant lies that are easily disprovable to anyone with access to google? Hard pass.

🤞
Most of the country feels the same . Like Humpty Dumpty all the Kings soldiers can’t help .
 

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…the Trudeau government has ballooned the number of bureaucrats in the public service by 43 per cent. From 2019 to 2023, hiring in the public sector was 3.6 times higher than the private sector.
On Wednesday, the Tories set out clear benchmarks for the public service cleanup. The plan is to not replace employees when they leave, the party’s deputy leader, Melissa Lantsman, told the National Post. Given that around 17,000 staff members end their service each year, that will reduce the size of the federal workforce by upwards of 68,000 positions over a four-year mandate.
The public sector has become a massive welfare program to make up for the fact that the Liberals have failed to foster a vibrant private-sector economy, resulting in the recycling of wealth, rather than wealth creation, which Canada needs now more than ever.
Since the ascension of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, the federal public service has grown by about 111,000 staff members — from about 257,000 during Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s last year in government, to roughly 368,000 in the 2023-24 fiscal year.
This historically unpopular Liberal government has had no foresight, caution or prudence when it comes to spending, only ambition, recklessness and inefficiency. For this much money, Canadians should expect far more than a plummeting standard of living, a peso-like dollar and an under-defended country.
(In the same period, the general population grew 15 per cent)
The painfully inflated bureaucracy is a huge cost to taxpayers. But it also threatens to block much-needed reforms. Nearly a third of the federal workforce was hired under Trudeau-government values, and have worked under the Trudeau government’s expectations.

The majority — 60,000 — of Trudeau-era hires have gone to just six federal departments and agencies. Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada is one mega beneficiary, which saw its staff double (the feds now plan to cut 3,300 jobs back). The others are the Canada Revenue Agency (CRA), Employment and Social Development Canada, as well as the fisheries, defence and procurement departments.

But pinning all the government’s faults on a lack of manpower alone would require every department to be running at perfect efficiency, which we all know isn’t happening. The immigration office is struggling with massive backlogs as it cobbles together anti-racism plans, while Employment and Social Development Canada now has more work to do in administering the Liberals’ new daycare and dental programs — and dreaming up new plans to expand federal diversity quotas.

Similar stories can no doubt be found in other departments that have curried favour with the current government. From 2021 to 2024, Indigenous Services Canada and Crown-Indigenous Relations grew from 8,742 employees to 10,725, an increase of 23 per cent. In 2015, these departments had just 4,684 staff members. The more-than-doubling of staff has no doubt contributed to the fact that, last year, the government spent double the amount on those two Indigenous portfolios than it did on national defence.😳

Other big spikes include: Infrastructure Canada’s headcount more than doubled from 2021 to 2024; from 2015 to 2024, the Privy Council Office saw its personnel numbers rise by 77 per cent; from 2017 to 2024, the Public Health Agency of Canada nearly doubled; the government IT department of Shared Services Canada has grown by 81 per cent since 2015; and Statistics Canada ballooned by 48 per cent.

The most extreme case of bloat could be found in the bowels of Women and Gender Equality Canada, which more than quadrupled its workforce under Trudeau, expanding to 443 employees in 2024, from 92 in 2015…’cuz it’s 2015-ish?

Waste and over-extension are endemic to the current government, which is why some serious belt-tightening over the next few years shouldn’t be a problem. And it’s clear that even Trudeau, the public-sector cheerleader that he is, doesn’t think his current employees can do the work: every year, his spending on private consulting firms rises by another billion or so, reaching $15 billion in 2023.
 
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OK. Aside from "We hates them forever, precioussss!" do you have any objective evidence that "Trudeau hires" perform any less effectively that people who were PERSONALLY VETTED by Stevie-boy and found appropriately upstanding and all Canucky-like?
 

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OK. Aside from "We hates them forever, precioussss!" do you have any objective evidence that "Trudeau hires" perform any less effectively that people who were PERSONALLY VETTED by Stevie-boy and found appropriately upstanding and all Canucky-like?
Objective evidence? No, but I’m living through both then & now if that helps. I could Google but here we are.

The growth rate under Trudeau of the civil service has been prolific, and what we get for out dollars sure doesn’t feel like it did a decade ago. Poilievre has committed to reduce about 1/2 of what Trudeau grew, through attrition. A quiet effort towards rebalancing and retraining the remaining at this point…to put them in areas where they might be actually lacking staff as opposed to what we have now.

If you’d like, I’m sure there’s charts and graphs that show the 43% increase in the civil service in Canada…& the difference in growth between it and the private sector, & the increase in reliance on private consulting firms on top of this increase just to try and make things function at this point…& we both have Google.
(YouTube & “Under Trudeau, the civil service has grown twice as fast as Canada’s population”)
…or…
(YouTube & “Is there value in the 42% growth in Canada’s public service in 9 years?”)
 

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OK. Aside from "We hates them forever, precioussss!" do you have any objective evidence that "Trudeau hires" perform any less effectively that people who were PERSONALLY VETTED by Stevie-boy and found appropriately upstanding and all Canucky-like?

Admittedly, the first time I saw Carney was on his Daily Show segment and I thought it was not a bad intro 'to the world', so to speak.

If I HAD to vote for a Liberal, I would vote for him, but not because of that. Rather it's his background in economics that'd get me. We NEED someone with that level of know how.

Hell, if he'd have run Conservative, I'da voted for him too, provided the rest of his policies were at least something reasonable.
 

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I don't disagree with you. But here's the deal, if I may compare the U.S. to Canada.

The "civil service" has grown, inexorably, under Republican (conservative) and Democratic (liberal) controlled governments.

It is unquestionably too large.

But "Fire 'em all!" is retarded.

Oh I absolutely agree.

Even Provincially it's horrible, and that was under the previous Con government for New Brunswick. I expect no better with the new Liberals in charge.

But you also can't fire em all, either.

And amalgamating things doesn't help either; it makes it worse (another thing we're experiencing here in NB; too many jobs, not enough people).

Finding the balance is the problem.
 

Ron in Regina

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I don't disagree with you. But here's the deal, if I may compare the U.S. to Canada.

The "civil service" has grown, inexorably, under Republican (conservative) and Democratic (liberal) controlled governments.

It is unquestionably too large.

But "Fire 'em all!" is retarded.
…& that’s not what’s being proposed, but something has to happen.
Oh I absolutely agree.

Even Provincially it's horrible, and that was under the previous Con government for New Brunswick. I expect no better with the new Liberals in charge.

But you also can't fire em all, either.

And amalgamating things doesn't help either; it makes it worse (another thing we're experiencing here in NB; too many jobs, not enough people).

Finding the balance is the problem.
As a Canadian, do you “feel” (not the objective evidence) that things are functioning better now than they were a decade ago as a whole? Are things 42% better? Is healthcare moving 42% faster? Etc…?
Admittedly, the first time I saw Carney was on his Daily Show segment and I thought it was not a bad intro 'to the world', so to speak.
Which is ironic, as an American watching an American TV talk show, that he ‘introduced himself to the world’ before making the announcement in Canada itself? It is what it is though.
If I HAD to vote for a Liberal, I would vote for him, but not because of that. Rather it's his background in economics that'd get me. We NEED someone with that level of know how.
What level of know how though? When he was the governor of the Bank of Canada, he had to operate within the guidelines set out by the current government (not even going to mention whom that was).

When he was the governor of the Bank of England, he was supposed to do the same as the impartial appointee that he was supposed to be…& did he? Did he do the Brits any favours there? Do they look upon him in a favourable light?
Hell, if he'd have run Conservative, I'da voted for him too, provided the rest of his policies were at least something reasonable.
I hear you, from the outside looking in, with (even through osmosis) a knowledge base of Canadian politics greater than that of most Canadians.

We’ve (those Canadians that actually follow the political narrative & shenanigans) have been familiar with Mark Carney for a couple of decades (as the “outsider” that he just isn’t).
 
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