Chrystia Freeland

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Selectively so I suppose.



No, we're not responsible for the slavery.
Reparations! So, uh yeah we are. Apparently the West owes money to people for something that didn't happen to them.
But I have seen quite a few Black people call out others for holding onto this excuse.
And they are right to do so.
Similar to above - not the genocidal colonizer, but trying to deny shit happened, ignoring the treaties that were agreed upon and continually doing things to ensure the Native population stays "in it's place" doesn't help.
Never been called a colonizer eh? Never been asked when you're going to start paying rent, eh? Kind'a weird how we're supposed to acknowledge all that stuff and yet this govt insisted on importing over 6 million people to live on this colonized land. Do you think any of them give a shit? Nope.
That said, I also know of Natives who are pissed at their Fellow Natives for being fucking stupid and using this as an excuse.
And they are right to be pissed.
If you think this shit started with Trudeau, you've been blind until he took PM.
Nah. He just grossly politicized it to sow more division.
LMFAO - How'd I know you'd bring up that bullshit line. "Invaders"? Really?
Yep. Invaders. I guess you didn't hear that China and Russia have weaponized muslim and Chinese immigration to the West. Have been for a while now. Wake up.
Can we call any of the Pro-Israel fanatics "invaders" too?
I dunno. Are they burning down businesses? Shooting up buildings because of religious affiliation? Chanting "Death to Canada"? Terrorizing people because of who they are? Rioting in the streets of Montreal or any other city?
Are there Anti-Semitics out there doing illegal acts against Jews? Absolutely. Should they be held to account for said acts? Absolutely.
But they're not, unless they're White and on the right. If they're brown and on the right, free pass from this govt.
Does standing with Palestine mean you are Anti-Jewish? Fuck no.
Yep. Sorry to break it to you but Palestine has a hard connection to the former nazi Germany that never went away.
So you're very "Sins of the father" type believer, then? Good to know; I hope your kids aren't held to account for YOUR sins.
What? Jesus man, you are thick as a brick. You're so desperate to argue with me you don't even know what you're arguing about anymore.
Why do people get confused with 'pointing out how something is' with "I absolutely approve of/believe in that?"
 
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Reparations! So, uh yeah we are. Apparently the West owes money to people for something that didn't happen to them.

Happened to their ancestors that they had no choice on.

Personally, I understand where it comes from, but I also don't think it helps anyone to go that route. Mainly because 1. there is "no reparations" that will ever be good enough, and 2. no amount of "apologies" will ever be good enough because SOMEONE out there will be "No, it's not enough". At this point, NOTHING will ever "make right" what happened and until people realize that, this is the shit hand we've gotta deal with.

And they are right to do so.

Same with Natives and wish more would do it.

Never been called a colonizer eh?

Actually I have and it infuriated me to no end.

Never been asked when you're going to start paying rent, eh?

Not that, no.

Kind'a weird how we're supposed to acknowledge all that stuff and yet this govt insisted on importing over 6 million people to live on this colonized land.

Acknowledging it is one thing and there is nothing wrong with that.

As for "this government", you do realize isn't the only one to ever have immigration, right? Actually since 2000, immigration has been pretty 'level', except for the past 4 years, and there's been a reason for that.


Do you think any of them give a shit? Nope.

Exactly, no one does at this point for a lot of reasons. But do you even care about those reasons? Get the context for why those reasons are a thing? Cause that would factor into why they don't give a shit.

And they are right to be pissed.

Agreed.

Nah. He just grossly politicized it to sow more division.

Sure, but so have other PM's so he's just 'carrying on with the norm'.

Yep. Invaders.

JFC. No, they're NOT invaders.

I guess you didn't hear that China and Russia have weaponized muslim and Chinese immigration to the West. Have been for a while now. Wake up.

I DO recognize that China and India have used immigration into Canada to advance their country's personal interests despite that Canada is NOT theirs to use as a proxy for their bullshit and we keep rolling over and letting that shit happen. Personally I think at this point anyone who is from India or China and has not become an official Canadian citizen - and renounces those countries - should GTFO. Russia too I guess.

Not sure where you get the 'weaponization of Mulsim immigration' though.

I dunno. Are they burning down businesses? Shooting up buildings because of religious affiliation? Chanting "Death to Canada"? Terrorizing people because of who they are? Rioting in the streets of Montreal or any other city?


As for the people who are anti-Israel doing that shit - they deserve to be held accountable, locked up or if they're not a Canadian citizen, kicked out of the country. People who burn down shit and think saying "Death to Canada" doesn't deserve backlash need that belief corrected with extreme prejudice.

But that's the difference between you and I - I'll call out the shit on BOTH sides of this fiasco. You ignore the wrong done by your "side" totally and make excuses when there ARE none for any of it.

You want to peacefully protest the bullshit going on? Fine. You want to argue with people about it in the streets, fine. You want to scream, gesture, swear or whatever over it all? Fine.

The SECOND it goes beyond that, all bets are off regardless of where you are on the issues.

But they're not, unless they're White and on the right. If they're brown and on the right, free pass from this govt.

Got proof of that part?


Dude doesn't seem that white to me.


No, it doesn't and you're a fucking moron to think it does. But then you probably are one of those types who tells Jews who stand with Palestine that they aren't Jews, too.

Sorry to break it to you but Palestine has a hard connection to the former nazi Germany that never went away.

Yeah, they did, history shows us that much. Funny though how they weren't the only people to be like that with Nazi Germany.

Naziism as a rule hasn't gone away. You can find it all over the world still. So that it's in Palestine in general isn't any different than other countries.

And yes, there are people who are part of it that do want to see the end of the Jewish people. Guess what, Jin? You will NOT find that most pro-Palestine people are siding with those types. Most are very fuck those people too, just like you are.

And then there are the innocent people who don't. But you know that.

You just don't give a shit. You broadbrush everyone who is from Palestine as evil or whatever and that they deserve the atrocities being done to them because you believe everything the current Right Wing lunatic Israeli Government tells you.

Fucking ironic that you will suck back everything THEY say, but you doubt every single thing that comes from the Government of your own Country. Maybe you're living in the wrong place.



Sins of the father? What, you've never heard that saying?


Sins of the Father(s) derives from biblical references primarily in the books Exodus, Deuteronomy, and Numbers to ancestral sin, the sins or iniquities of one generation passing to another.

You saying Freeland is as evil as her grandfather for the wrongs he did is very much in line with that.

Get it now?

Jesus man, you are thick as a brick.

Why, because I rightly pointed out that you are a very "Sins of the Father" kind of person?

BTW, how many generations DOES it have to be before it's okay to not be tied back to those sins...

And fucking ironic that in one breath you're whining about "oh they're blaming us for things WE didn't do! How dare they!" and in the next... you're doing that to someone else all because you don't like the political party they're a part of. Beautifully hypocritical of you. (and of course you'll deny it...)

You're so desperate to argue with me you don't even know what you're arguing about anymore.

I'm not THAT desperate to "argue" with you, Jin. And yes, I do know what we're discussing. You however rarely do.

Why do people get confused with 'pointing out how something is' with "I absolutely approve of/believe in that?"

I don't know Jin, why DO you get confused with that?
 

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Im Slavic, the people the term "slave" was first hung upon.

Who do I collect from?

Does anyone know how Great Slave Lake got its name?

Look up the Cree word Awokanek.
 
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Jinentonix

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Happened to their ancestors that they had no choice on.

Personally, I understand where it comes from, but I also don't think it helps anyone to go that route. Mainly because 1. there is "no reparations" that will ever be good enough, and 2. no amount of "apologies" will ever be good enough because SOMEONE out there will be "No, it's not enough". At this point, NOTHING will ever "make right" what happened and until people realize that, this is the shit hand we've gotta deal with.



Same with Natives and wish more would do it.



Actually I have and it infuriated me to no end.



Not that, no.



Acknowledging it is one thing and there is nothing wrong with that.

As for "this government", you do realize isn't the only one to ever have immigration, right? Actually since 2000, immigration has been pretty 'level', except for the past 4 years, and there's been a reason for that.




Exactly, no one does at this point for a lot of reasons. But do you even care about those reasons? Get the context for why those reasons are a thing? Cause that would factor into why they don't give a shit.



Agreed.



Sure, but so have other PM's so he's just 'carrying on with the norm'.



JFC. No, they're NOT invaders.



I DO recognize that China and India have used immigration into Canada to advance their country's personal interests despite that Canada is NOT theirs to use as a proxy for their bullshit and we keep rolling over and letting that shit happen. Personally I think at this point anyone who is from India or China and has not become an official Canadian citizen - and renounces those countries - should GTFO. Russia too I guess.

Not sure where you get the 'weaponization of Mulsim immigration' though.




As for the people who are anti-Israel doing that shit - they deserve to be held accountable, locked up or if they're not a Canadian citizen, kicked out of the country. People who burn down shit and think saying "Death to Canada" doesn't deserve backlash need that belief corrected with extreme prejudice.

But that's the difference between you and I - I'll call out the shit on BOTH sides of this fiasco. You ignore the wrong done by your "side" totally and make excuses when there ARE none for any of it.

You want to peacefully protest the bullshit going on? Fine. You want to argue with people about it in the streets, fine. You want to scream, gesture, swear or whatever over it all? Fine.

The SECOND it goes beyond that, all bets are off regardless of where you are on the issues.



Got proof of that part?


Dude doesn't seem that white to me.



No, it doesn't and you're a fucking moron to think it does. But then you probably are one of those types who tells Jews who stand with Palestine that they aren't Jews, too.



Yeah, they did, history shows us that much. Funny though how they weren't the only people to be like that with Nazi Germany.

Naziism as a rule hasn't gone away. You can find it all over the world still. So that it's in Palestine in general isn't any different than other countries.

And yes, there are people who are part of it that do want to see the end of the Jewish people. Guess what, Jin? You will NOT find that most pro-Palestine people are siding with those types. Most are very fuck those people too, just like you are.

And then there are the innocent people who don't. But you know that.

You just don't give a shit. You broadbrush everyone who is from Palestine as evil or whatever and that they deserve the atrocities being done to them because you believe everything the current Right Wing lunatic Israeli Government tells you.

Fucking ironic that you will suck back everything THEY say, but you doubt every single thing that comes from the Government of your own Country. Maybe you're living in the wrong place.




Sins of the father? What, you've never heard that saying?


Sins of the Father(s) derives from biblical references primarily in the books Exodus, Deuteronomy, and Numbers to ancestral sin, the sins or iniquities of one generation passing to another.

You saying Freeland is as evil as her grandfather for the wrongs he did is very much in line with that.

Get it now?



Why, because I rightly pointed out that you are a very "Sins of the Father" kind of person?

BTW, how many generations DOES it have to be before it's okay to not be tied back to those sins...

And fucking ironic that in one breath you're whining about "oh they're blaming us for things WE didn't do! How dare they!" and in the next... you're doing that to someone else all because you don't like the political party they're a part of. Beautifully hypocritical of you. (and of course you'll deny it...)



I'm not THAT desperate to "argue" with you, Jin. And yes, I do know what we're discussing. You however rarely do.



I don't know Jin, why DO you get confused with that?
Wow, you're still stupid, eh? I'm not a "sins of the father type". It's called using the leftards' own bullshit against them. Leftards LOVE that sins of the father bullshit, except when it applies to them. And guess what Freebag is. Do you get it yet or should a I bust out the Crayolas and draw you a fucking picture?

Once again, pointing out the attitudes of leftist shit heads does not equate to agreement with them. But you'd rather argue like an idiot than actually pay attention to what's being said. Fuck off, Serryah.
 

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Wow, you're still stupid, eh? I'm not a "sins of the father type". It's called using the leftards' own bullshit against them. Leftards LOVE that sins of the father bullshit, except when it applies to them. And guess what Freebag is. Do you get it yet or should a I bust out the Crayolas and draw you a fucking picture?

Once again, pointing out the attitudes of leftist shit heads does not equate to agreement with them. But you'd rather argue like an idiot than actually pay attention to what's being said. Fuck off, Serryah.
True. Rightards are the exact opposite. Those fucking imbeciles believe that generations of inequality before the law had no effect whatsoever, and that the descendants of those who suffered under legal inequality must be inferior. That's why they don't do as well.

I'd get out my watercolors, but you're still to ignant and shit-scared to comrehend.
 

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True. Rightards are the exact opposite. Those fucking imbeciles believe that generations of inequality before the law had no effect whatsoever, and that the descendants of those who suffered under legal inequality must be inferior. That's why they don't do as well.

I'd get out my watercolors, but you're still to ignant and shit-scared to comrehend.
So you believe we must pay money for things that happened before we were even born to people whose great-grandparents were in some way taken advantage of?
I'll think about this one after the Germanic tribes pay the surviving Celts.
 

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So you believe we must pay money for things that happened before we were even born to people whose great-grandparents were in some way taken advantage of?
I'll think about this one after the Germanic tribes pay the surviving Celts.
No. Who the fuck said that, you drooling idiot?

It's like I said "Good morning," and you leap to the conclusion the True Dope says that too, so I MUST agree with every word out of True Dope's ass.

Try really, REALLY hard to not be a fool. Make it a New Year's resolution.
 

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Wow, you're still stupid, eh? I'm not a "sins of the father type".

You are holding that Freeland is a "Bad person" because of her grandfather's ties to Nazi's.

Yeah, that's "sins of the father" type.

It's called using the leftards' own bullshit against them. Leftards LOVE that sins of the father bullshit, except when it applies to them.

I'll give you there are too many fucking idiots out there who do that, yes, and yes a good chunk of them are on the left.

That doesn't exclude that morons like you are like that either.

And guess what Freebag is. Do you get it yet or should a I bust out the Crayolas and draw you a fucking picture?

You have crayons you haven't eaten yet?

Once again, pointing out the attitudes of leftist shit heads does not equate to agreement with them.

And yet you are GREAT for implying that every. Single. Time.

But you'd rather argue like an idiot than actually pay attention to what's being said. Fuck off, Serryah.

Aww, Jinny frustrated again because you got called out on your absolute bullshit and I didn't kowtow to your "I'm right, damnit!" feelings?


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