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gerryh, I cannot recall a "to do" list from Paul.

1Co:5:7-12:
Purge out therefore the old leaven,
that ye may be a new lump,
as ye are unleavened.
For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
herefore let us keep the feast,
not with old leaven,
neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness;
but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world,
or with the covetous,
or extortioners,
or with idolaters;
for then must ye needs go out of the world.
But now I have written unto you not to keep company,
if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator,
or covetous,
or an idolater,
or a railer,
or a drunkard,
or an extortioner;
with such an one no not to eat.
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without?
do not ye judge them that are within?

The letters to the 7 Churches do not advise crossing over to the side that needs to 'overcome'. That is like trying to come in second place, mind you that is the return that Job mentions in Job:14 and the 'after all wrath is passed has a certain appeal to it'. For Job it would be #3.
 

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Please explain, Gerry. Please include some supportive biblical references. Thanks.


It's simple. We are ALL God's creation. We are ALL God's children. God loves his children unconditionally.

As for "biblical references", read the fu cking thing yourself. I doubt it will make any difference. All you dip shytes want to do is separate man into the ones that go to Heaven and those that God hates and will drop into the fiery bowels of Hell :roll: , all the while the "good and faithful" squeal with glee at the suffering inflicted on those that they feel "deserve" it.

To me, this is a silly question. God created everything and everybody. We are all god's children. What is so difficult about that?


He's an idiot, that's what's so difficult. As you can tell, my patience has run out.
 

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There is an 'eventually' attached to that certainty and not everyone agrees just where that fits in with 'life'. If your vision of the start of the new earth includes all flesh that Adam had dominion over starting with the ones God brought to the garden to be the first to be given names.
 

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So the meteorites with their proteins and acids were a direct hit on the Creator who created those proteins and acids?
lol I suppose you think that your god, instead of your mother and father, created you? What I find sad is the glaring lack of scientific understanding religionists display in order to think that some magician is out in space manufacturing proteins and acids and conjuring up asteroids and the like to convey them to uninhabited planets. And did you forget that mere humans duplicated the "wonders" of what your book said is the exclusive domain of gods and "created" life in labs?
Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God:the skies proclaim the work of his hands.

Romans 1:19-20 Since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities - his eternal power and divine nature- have been cleary seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

God is not indifferent. That is a sad thought.
Again, I find it quite difficult to accept seriously a book whose source of evidence and verification is itself; I am; and the evidence that I am is that I say I am. Gimme some credit for not being so gullible, please. The entire Bible is simply hearsay and very little, if any of it, is verifiable and demonstrable (as real evidence is).

Life-producing phosphorus carried to Earth by meteorites

New evidence that comets could have seeded life on Earth
 

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That you shouldn't judge strangers.

Cleaning out the leaven in the Church was placed on the shoulders of the members, just like the verses said. The number of times you had to forgive them was quite large in number, something like 490 times.

Ro:13:6-9:
For for this cause pay ye tribute also:
for they are God's ministers,
attending continually upon this very thing.
Render therefore to all their dues:
tribute to whom tribute is due;
custom to whom custom;
fear to whom fear;
honour to whom honour.
Owe no man any thing,
but to love one another:
for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
For this,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not kill,
Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Thou shalt not covet;
and if there be any other commandment,
it is briefly comprehended in this saying,
namely,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

1Pe:4:15:
But let none of you suffer as a murderer,
or as a thief,
or as an evildoer,
or as a busybody in other men's matters.
 

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It's simple. We are ALL God's creation. We are ALL God's children.

Children of God:
"Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God." (John 1:12-13 NIV)

From a biblical perspective, Cliffy and Gerry, membership in God's family is a right given by God in Christ.
 
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Not what I've been told. We are all Gods children, and as such, we will all be forgiven our transgressions in the end. No one will be turned away.
 

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Told by whom, Gerry?
Joh:6:40:
And this is the will of him that sent me,
that every one which seeth the Son,
and believeth on him,
may have everlasting life:
and I will raise him up at the last day.

Re:1:7:
Behold,
he cometh with clouds;
and every eye shall see him,
and they also which pierced him:
and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.
Even so,
Amen.
 

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Not what I've been told. We are all Gods children, and as such, we will all be forgiven our transgressions in the end. No one will be turned away.
Gerryh,
By the manner in which you speak, it seems that someone or church has used the Bible as a hammer on you. Paul's writings focus on faith, faith, faith.

Christ gave the Great Commission to his disciples to go out and share the good news with all people. As a Christian, why would I not want to share the gospel? In communicating the gospel message it is often difficult to convey the need for Christ without sounding judgemental. No intent is meant to judge, rather the intent is to say, "Hey do you know about Christ? Not just the historical Christ. Do you know what his purpose was? He came to save the lost? How? Why? Surely in discussing those questions the message of Christ seperates. Sheep & Goats. Why does Jesus call some sheep and some goats?
 

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As for "biblical references", read the fu cking thing yourself. I doubt it will make any difference. All you dip shytes want to do is separate man into the ones that go to Heaven and those that God hates and will drop into the fiery bowels of Hell :roll: , all the while the "good and faithful" squeal with glee at the suffering inflicted on those that they feel "deserve" it. He's an idiot, that's what's so difficult. As you can tell, my patience has run out.

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law." (Galatians 5:22-23 NIV)
 

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What is religion? Was Jesus Christ religious? Is Christianity a religion?

Religion:
"Jesus entered the temple courts, and, while he was teaching, the chief priests and the elders of the people came to him. 'By what authority are you doing these things?” they asked. “And who gave you this authority?” (Matthew 21:23 NIV)

Christianity:
"Jesus replied, 'I will also ask you one question. If you answer me, I will tell you by what authority I am doing these things. John’s baptism—where did it come from? Was it from heaven, or of human origin?” (Matthew 21:24-25a NIV)

Religion:
"They discussed it among themselves and said, 'If we say, ‘From heaven,’ he will ask, ‘Then why didn’t you believe him?’ But if we say, ‘Of human origin’—we are afraid of the people, for they all hold that John was a prophet.' So they answered Jesus, 'We don’t know.” (Matthew 21:25b-27a NIV)

Christianity:
"Then he said, “Neither will I tell you by what authority I am doing these things." (Matthew 21:27b NIV)

Once again, religion challenges Christianity in the gospel of Matthew. The subject at hand is authority. Religion presents human authority as the ultimate voice, failing to recognize supreme authority in the Author of all things.
 

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You really dont see that you are doing the same thing that the chief priest did to Jesus, do you?
 

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You really dont see that you are doing the same thing that the chief priest did to Jesus, do you?

Please explain, Gerry. Please share some supportive biblical examples. Thanks.

You really dont see that you are doing the same thing that the chief priest did to Jesus, do you?

Gerry,
Please accept my sincere appreciation for your participation, persistence and perspective in these discussions. You are an incredible blessing to me and I am truly grateful for your impact on my faith.

"As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another." (Proverbs 27:17 NIV)
 

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Would you please excuse and accommodate me and my ignorance by re-posting your assertion concerning the demise of Christianity, including the Platonian quotation supporting it, DB. Thanks.

You don't have to be excused brother/sister because I am guilty of misinforming you of the whereabouts of that aforementioned Platonic thinking . It is not in this thread.

Check this out, good reading

PLATONIC PHILOSOPHY​
IN THE BIBLE​
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ALVIN BOYD KUHN, Ph. D.

These and a hundred other irrationalities make it sheer folly to uphold the literal historicity of the Bible. Yet the major theses of Christianity stand on this weak ground. There is therefore nothing surprising in the fact that the history of the Church has been a tale of warfare, controversy, schism, blind faith and frightful cruelty, and that it is repudiated by about sixty per cent of the populations among which it is strongest, and is rather loosely held by its own adherents.
We are prepared to support the statement, then, that the Bible, sadly misinterpreted by its most loyal devotees, is in reality a collection of ancient works that embody in veiled figures the fundamentals of the genuine old wisdom of the hierophants. One might say indeed, that it is a repository of the great Mystery teaching of early times. In fact it is an assemblage of material comprising the substance of Hermeticism, Gnosticism, Kabalism, Chaldean astrology, Greek Orphism and Hindu Wisdom, drawn mostly from ancient Egypt. It would not inaptly be described as a book of Platonic Theosophy. For Plato summed up most of the elements of these systems. To an orthodox churchman it would doubtless seem to belittle the Book to say that it contains nothing but the Platonic philosophy. But this is only because the churchman knows nothing of the grandeur and rank of the Platonic wisdom. It is enough to say that it could not be a great book if it did not embody Plato's philosophy. For this was truly "of the gods," and perhaps the most luminous presentation of spiritual knowledge ever to be vouchsafed to the human intellect. Fortunate is Christianity that its Bible is heavily charged with the elements of the great Divine Wisdom of past ages.
It is a practical impossibility, however, to expound even the crudest outline of Plato's teaching in such a lecture. We must be content with a few statements dealing with the emanation of living streams of being and intelligence from the first fount of all things. Plato represents life as unfolding from within itself at the beginning of a new period of manifestation, and proceeding outward or downward from a summit of pure spirit into ever-denser forms of creation. The One Life pours forth its power and essence in streams, called "rivers of
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vivification", "from on high as far as to the last of things," bringing all forms of life into existence and ensouling all forms with more or less of its own mighty being. At each step of the way out, or down, this life takes embodiment in coarser forms of cosmic matter, thus giving birth to the greater and lesser gods of various ranks. For the gods are embodiments of the several grades and forms of nature's life, power and intelligence. The whole creation forms a chain of beings reaching from the lowest mineral crystals to the highest God. Somewhere in this chain stands man, and Plato tells us where it is. Humanity occupies a place of great strategic importance in the hierarchy, standing precisely at the point of junction between the highest animal and the truly New Lectures on the Ancient Wisdom--No I